Lack of Action causing downfall

[Pirates1991]

It’s been stated before, and I will stated again. The downfall, and we are witnessing the downfall of a legendary basketball program, of Seton Hall basketball lies at the feet of Lyons.

His lack of vision or lack of willingness to be ahead of the curve like the rest of the universities, put us in a bad spot then and now there is no path to recovery. This will also lead to the departure of our coach in the next year or so.

Hopefully our new president has great visions for the university from academic perspective as the athletic program will no longer be the focal point

We can all talk about go support that NIL with bake sales and car washes and buy some bad beer and hang out at bunnies but I’ll leave that to the Boy Scouts for their fundraising.

 

[Hall Is Life]

Legendary?

 

[Gohall129]

felt is also bad

 

[Pirates1991]

Legendary?

Well, I may have gone a little overboard with that term, but from a Seton hall perspective, it is legendary

 

[vicu1024]

Why is freshman Felton not playing?
He can move the ball, pass & score.

 

[Pirates1991]

felt is also bad

Well, many people have pointed fingers at Brian, but this all falls at the direction or lack of direction from Lyons. He was probably still is calling most of the shots.

 

[Piratz]

This is a rabbit hole. We have no idea how much money they have or how they spent it on this roster. The media consensus is we’re a joke on NIL. The roster depth - I know sounds insane to say now - looks like we had more money than last year.

Who makes the valuations and spend decisions? Does Sha spend on 4 players at $250k level instead of two better at $500k each? No clue.

Yet the people on this site are pushed more than anywhere to contribute and do so in high amounts. The results are terrible so far and unacceptable. Idc if it’s 3 games we just lost twice - twice!! - to Fordham and Hofstra in the same season and couldn’t break 50 or 60. Don’t ask me again until it improves.

 

[Seton75]

SHU has always been ridiculously behind most everyone important in college hoops. If anyone thinks our NIL would be at the top or in the middle if we were more aggressive I think they are, if not nuts, then at least wrong. It is not only the admin. It is us. What PJ stepped into was third world. KW practiced in he basement. But the rules helped us keep the rosters steady and some of the coaches were very effective. We have had some great runs. The successes we have had, when compared to my expectations based on my college years, are remarkable.

If someone said ten years ago that based on the money they generate, college players deserve an extra 75K a year along with their scholarship, this board would have been up in arms. But that never happened, and now NIL/pfp/pos is the law of the land, and it is never going to be our friend. Hard for me to see us surviving that paired with free agency.

I was for eliminating the sit out year. I was for paying the players some money. But I was never in favor of the bullshit that has become the rule of the land.

 

[HallGuy23]

It’s been stated before, and I will stated again. The downfall, and we are witnessing the downfall of a legendary basketball program, of Seton Hall basketball lies at the feet of Lyons.

His lack of vision or lack of willingness to be ahead of the curve like the rest of the universities, put us in a bad spot then and now there is no path to recovery. This will also lead to the departure of our coach in the next year or so.

Hopefully our new president has great visions for the university from academic perspective as the athletic program will no longer be the focal point

We can all talk about go support that NIL with bake sales and car washes and buy some bad beer and hang out at bunnies but I’ll leave that to the Boy Scouts for their fundraising.

What’s an athletic director supposed to do? Force 5 star players to come? This is same silly argument as the people saying Mara and Woody should sell the team. As if that will make any difference.

We aren’t able to compete in this environment. In fact, we are and so are others of our ilk on par with the lower level school for various reasons.

1 - lack of money ( it won’t change)
2 - lack of facilities ( it’s too late )

3 - the players we do get are plagued by the new age style of zero iq basketball and can only hoist 3s or barrel to the rim hoping for a foul. I think this is the biggest issue. There is very little diversity among today’s basketball players and it has severely leveled the field. Only true 5 stars are much different