Louis Orr must be laughing...
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Is that right, Pirate64? Funny.... That's just what struck me tonight after the game, as I pondered the reportedly huge buyout, and read about the university's stability rationale for keeping this guy.
L'affaire Orr, even ten years later, remains a very complex issue; so many different layers there we can continue to debate. Ultimately, it was decided that we could do better, that the ceiling of achievement under that coach was too low. And perhaps that is true. But I don't know if anyone realized just how much worse we could do.
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L'affaire Orr, even ten years later, remains a very complex issue; so many different layers there we can continue to debate. Ultimately, it was decided that we could do better, that the ceiling of achievement under that coach was too low. And perhaps that is true. But I don't know if anyone realized just how much worse we could do.
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Heck even Gonzo is laughing somewhere! "Yeah, run me out of town...clean up the program....HA HA HA"
sad....
sad....
Can we stop making Louis Orr what he isn't. What happened after he left SH to go to Bowling Green. He was a losing coach with an overall record of 101-121 and had a losing conference record of 54-60. He had one overall winning season and made the NIT once, in his second year where he was eliminated in the first round. The same problem that existed at SH hurt him at BGSU, he couldn't recruit because he was never comfortable doing it and it showed. Louis was a good game coach, very good at developing big men and a genuinely nice person.
Cannot disagree with this at all and I share the same sentiment. Orr was an uncomfortable front man, but I do think a decent coach. No clue what happened at Bowling Green. I know one season he had them in the championship game for an NCAA bid and they ended up in the NIT.
But you know what? He won here. He had 3 winning Big East seasons over his final 4 years and 2 NCAA bids, including one with a roster of his own recruits. He also had Malcolm Grant as a freshman and Drew Lavender as a transfer in his back pocket (according to Carino), that would've been added to a good young nucleus of Laing, Nutter, Gause, and so forth.
So the issue is firing a coach off an NCAA Tournament, specially when he man'd up and took the high road after the rumors were swirling the season before. He probably should've been allowed to fail here.
This post was edited on 3/12 12:34 PM by Piratz
I believe Orr's son, Chauncey, a junior wing at Bowling Green, announced he was transferring. I don't know if he is graduating early, or leaving for an opportunity to play more.
Chauncey suffered a season-ending knee injury early last season. Even though Louis got fired, Chauncey came back and played for Chris Jans. Chauncey left the team in December and I don't know what his status is. If he graduated in December or is going to graduate in May, he can play somewhere else next season for his fifth season (assuming he got a medical redshirt for the 2013-2014 season due to the early knee injury).
Don't forget how that season included two of losses greater than 50 (!!!) points ... which both rank in the school's Top 10 list of worst losses...and how the recruiting outlook was worse than it is now.
They certainly weren't committing unless they knew he was going to be the coach. He was a lame duck and the school never even pretended that he was anything other than that.
It doesn't matter one bit what happened after he left Seton Hall. All I know is that at ny school in 5 years he gave us 2 NCAAS and an NIT. Not sure but I think he was the COY in the Big East when he went to the first NCAA. A lot of coaches do well at a school or a Pro team then go somewhere else and for whatever reason just cant get over the hump. OH and this as you know was the Big East with Louisville Syracuse UCONN Notre Dame Cincinnati West Virginia etc.
They left him hanging out there to try. The NY Post article linked got it all moving and then everything out of SHU and Joe Quinlan was a robotic, "We will evaluate at the end of the season" or something of that nature, which made it worse.
Then the infamous "programmatic details" explanation..
This time around with Willard - an even 10 years - there is entirely new leadership and people in those roles at Seton Hall. I'm looking forward to how they're going to wax this one if Willard does return. They are somehow going to have to walk the high wire act that he's not a lame duck.
http://nypost.com/2005/07/02/pirates-looking-to-buy-out-orr/
Just one small point of clarification, Louisville was still in Conference USA when Orr was here. We did play them in non-conference games and got destroyed.
We were justified in moving on from Orr. His recruiting was lackluster at the end of his tenure. We all could see that in the Big East at that time, things were looking down for our program.
But of course we blew the following hire and then blew it even worse on the next hire after that. Doesn't mean we should ever have been satisfied with the way things were shaping up under Orr.
I, like all of you, believe SHU should strive for excellence. Orr, Gonzalez, Willard, they were/are not up to the task.
Dan Hurley is up for the task. I know it's not going to happen, but he could succeed at SHU and put us back at the top of this conference. Firmly believe that. Unfortunately, the people that did not want to settle for the middling nature of the Orr tenure are sadly no longer making decisions at Seton Hall.
This post was edited on 3/12 8:09 PM by HALL28
But of course we blew the following hire and then blew it even worse on the next hire after that. Doesn't mean we should ever have been satisfied with the way things were shaping up under Orr.
I, like all of you, believe SHU should strive for excellence. Orr, Gonzalez, Willard, they were/are not up to the task.
Dan Hurley is up for the task. I know it's not going to happen, but he could succeed at SHU and put us back at the top of this conference. Firmly believe that. Unfortunately, the people that did not want to settle for the middling nature of the Orr tenure are sadly no longer making decisions at Seton Hall.
This post was edited on 3/12 8:09 PM by HALL28
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Louis Orr is far too good a man to be "laughing now."
Perhaps Orrs firing was justifiable, perhaps not. I certainly wouldn't have made the move. Regardless, his tenure at Bowling Green simply can not be used to justify his firing before he ever got there. That's dumb people logic.
Perhaps Orrs firing was justifiable, perhaps not. I certainly wouldn't have made the move. Regardless, his tenure at Bowling Green simply can not be used to justify his firing before he ever got there. That's dumb people logic.
By that argument Purnell is a terrible head coach, to put things in perspective.
Orr may have been a poor recruiter but he was a decent coach, with better results then what we've been dealt with lately. Those are facts
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Orr may have been a poor recruiter but he was a decent coach, with better results then what we've been dealt with lately. Those are facts
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