Manafort has agreed to cooperate with the Government. The noose is getting tighter around Trump's neck. This could be absolutely devastating to Trump.
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Like Pappadopos, Flynn, Gates, etc.? "noose", "devastating"...lol....how about "tremendously bad"?
So you believe that his information will have nothing to do with Trump? This is no big deal?
I think it could be a number of things. Could have something to do with what Manafort did (and nothing with Trump); could have something to do with issues in Trumps past before he was a candidate (money laundering?); could have something to do with Russian meddling; etc., etc....I just think it's a little premature to jump to the conclusion (conspiracy) that it's the worst possible thing for Trump.
Cern's post is really not that much different than what you posted last week about something big happening and Sessions being in the middle of it. A little hypocritical to suggest that Cern is jumping to a conspiracy theory. Why can't we just discuss our opinions on what is likely to happen based on what we have seen so far?
There is a lot to suggest that this is likely bad for Trump. This is Trump's campaign manager who was in the room meeting with Russians in a meeting that was about getting getting dirt on Hillary from the Russian government. Is Mueller going to let him avoid life in Prison without receiving something relevant to this investigation?
We know that's the way you view everything Merge...in the worst possible light for Trump, so I totally understand your perspective on this Manafort plea. And where have I ever said you can't post your opinions, conspiracy theories, etc.?
Money laundering, conspiracy, obstruction. One of those charges would be horrible for Trump. Don’t know how any person sees a Manafort plea and cooperating with the Mueller Probe as being nothing but bad news and very bad for Trump. This is not a wild conspiracy theory. This is based upon objective facts as we know it.
It’s certainly not good news, but there’s this thing called perspective. Manafort worked for Trumps campaign for only about three months. And he was let go rather quickly. Still too early to jump to conclusions. Interested to see how this plays out.
Ok, that is not how it works. Before Manafort is able to plea, he has to do proffer sessions with the Government to see what and how good his information is. He is looking to get a reduction in his sentence based upon his information and help to the Government. Thus, his info is obviously useful.
Exactly. Manafort would have to offer something before the agreement, this wouldn’t be prosecutors offering a deal for something unknown.
Obviously we have no idea what Manafort was willing to give them but my gut says it will be related to the Trump tower meeting.
Seriously, you have to be kidding me. You are more offended by a curtain story than your traitorous President.
Better read that Constitution again for the only definition of treason that matters.
Collusion with Russia would be a serious offense but it’s not treason. And Bob Woodward looked long and hard for collusion but couldn’t find any.
Being a traitor is not defined by treason. Treason is a specific crime which is defined in the Constitution. Being a traitor to your country is much more broad. The Americans that have been convicted of espionage were traitors were they not? They were not convicted of treason nor charged with treason. Conspiracy with Russia to alter an American election is being a traitor to this country. There are more ways to being a traitor than just treason.
Once again we will see if useful, lots of people make pleas and provide info, it just doesn’t always lead to convictions or charges of others.
No one knows yet what Manafort knows or if he has any hard evidence, and then even if he has good info does it implicate Trump directly or others related to Trump.
Agreed.
Is going behind the back of the current U.S. government and talking to Iran like Kerry has been doing traitorous?
Is having secret side deals and delivering planeloads of cash to Iran to fund terrorism traitorous?
Podesta and Craig did the exact same things as Manafort, should they be indicted as well?
Or does this just apply to Trump and his people?
He also said the answer is in Russia, and thinks Mueller may have something on Trump.
Manafort flipping is a problem.
We know Russia helped. At this point for there to be no collusion we have to assume that Russia didn’t offer help to anyone in the campaign (except we know they did) and everyone on the Trump campaign said no... that’s very difficult to believe in the context of multiple people being indicted for lying to the FBI about this investigation.
I’m a bit skeptical that the only meeting that took place with anyone from Russia was with this woman....and it didn’t seem to last very long. No other meetings, contacts, etc.
There were many other contacts and meetings that are already public knowledge.
Right after Manafort joined the campaign he was in contact with someone he worked with in Ukraine about how he can leverage his position with the Trump campaign to make Deripaska (Russian oligarch whom Manafort was in debt to for millions) whole.. while working on the Trump campaign for free...
Large cup. He lasted 24 Scaramucci’s on the campaign (144 days) More than enough time to work with his former Russian contacts.
Do you really not know why he was fired?
He was fired because of the NY Times story 3 days earlier about being paid millions from the Pro-Russian Ukrainian group.
That was my point. Trump and his family may have been uncomfortable with stuff he was doing.
lol, please. You don't actually believe that. As if they suddenly found their moral compass right after the article came out?
Just like they fired Mike Flynn when they were warned that he could be compromised?
Manafort was fired because he became politically toxic due to the article.
I love how Trump still gets generous interpretations of his intentions after lying every single day and conducting himself like a spoiled 5th grader for the past 3 years. I guess that's what a con-artist does: con people.
Trump definitely knew he hired a criminal and only got rid of him once he realized (clearly too late) that he would become a big problem for him in the future. And Manafort didn't "join the campaign for a cup of coffee," he literally ran the campaign for 3 months.
You're really just muddying the waters here and some may not know what your talking about. This thread is about Paul Manafort, not secret planeloads of cash Obama sent to fund terrorism.
1) No that's not traitorous, its not even slightly illegal. Kerry openly admitted to this on air. "Secretary Kerry stays in touch with his former counterparts around the world just like every previous Secretary of State, and in a long phone conversation with Secretary Pompeo earlier this year he went into great detail about what he had learned about the Iranian’s view. No secrets were kept from this administration."
2) If Obama was sending secret planeloads of cash in order to fund terrorism you should probably open a new thread because that would be big news.
3) What? Who is Craig? Shouldn't you start a new thread for this?
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You're celebrating a little early on that one.
Might want to wait until we have an understanding of what Mueller farmed out as any potential bank/tax/money laundering issues would not have been within his mandate.
So we wasted 2 years on a limitied scope of an investigation. Now we will probably move into another small scope investigation of some other issue. And when that is done, we'll look into something else. They better come up with something, otherwise Trump will crush them at the polls in 2020 for the waste of time and resources on nothing. YUGE mistake to keep investigating unless they know they have something. And if they did, where is it? Did Mueller come across anything outside the scope of his investigation to say, here it is boys and girls this is your golden ticket? If he didn't give it up.
DOJ policy says we can't indict a sitting president, so this isnt about removing Trump anymore. Unless Trump removes himself, he will likely be on the ballot for 2020.
2020 dems wont be running on impeachment. It wasnt why dems voted in 2018 and it will be the same for 2020.
If there was wrong doing from Trump, it will be waiting for him when he is out of office. I have no idea what will happen, but if we dont see the Mueller report in full, then i would tend to think bad news awaits for Trump. If we get the full report then I think Trump is cleared. I'll wait to see what happens
Should I look for the threads predicting he wouldn’t make it through his first term?
In January 2021, sure.
Its less likely now than it was a week ago, but still a possibility that he doesnt finish his term. I'll have an opinion on that once we see the report.
Your opinion will mean more than Mueller's? Will we have to wait 2 years for it?
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No, my opinion means nothing.
Depending on what Mueller's report says, I will say if I believe Trump will finish his term or not. There are some facts that could drastically change my view on that in both directions.
If we see the report and Trump was 100% cleared and none of the ongoing investigations are related to Trump, I would say I was wrong and he will complete his term.
If the report shows that there was criminal conduct by Trump unrelated to Russia that was forwarded to EDVA but they are abiding by DOJ policy that a president can not be indicted then I would say Trump probably won't complete his term.
Turns out that Manafort did not cooperate. If this reports exonerates Trump, why are the Republicans now fighting the release of the Mueller Report ?
Hell, if a report exonerates me, I want that report public. This would be great for my reputation and politically. But no, Trump will now fight it. It is important that the report is released publicly. Even if the actions of Trump did not rise to a criminal level beyond a reasonable doubt, the public has the right to know what Trump was doing which could be deemed unacceptable for a President to be engaging in such conduct. Have we actually lowered the bar for the President of the United States this much? Apparently the answer is yes.
