MINORITY PRESIDENT ???

[SnakeTom]

Four times in United State History the person elected to be President was not the highest vote getter in the popular vote. The last time this happened was in 2000 when Al Gore won the popular vote but lost the election . (the other minority Presidents were John Quincy Adams, Benjamin Harrison & Rutherford B. Hayes). Now it's looking like this might happen again this year with the current polls having Obama ahead in the electoral vote but losing the popular vote on a number of the recent polls.

These last three weeks before the election will be interesting. It seems that the support for both candidates is soft. How else can you describe the polls which are jumping up & down so quickly. Perfect example of this is Florida where in the last month it went from a dead heat to Obama up by 9% pre-debate and then Romney up by 7% post debate.

Tom K

 

[HALL85]

Tom, it's because all those crazy, old, retired folks in Florida, can't remember what they had for breakfast, much less who they said they would vote for the week before. I continue to believe that this election will be won or lost on who doesn't show up at the polls. So many people I speak with have disdain for both candidates and the process. The hardcore Dems and Reps will vote party lines, but I suspect turnout will be much lower than in 2008.

 

[SPK145]

Two very weak candidates.

 

[SnakeTom]

Originally posted by HALL85:

Tom, it's because all those crazy, old, retired folks in Florida, can't remember what they had for breakfast, much less who they said they would vote for the week before. I

Don't knock those crazy old retired folks. One day we will be one of them - lol.

TK

 

[HALL85]

Originally posted by SnakeTom:

Originally posted by HALL85:

Tom, it's because all those crazy, old, retired folks in Florida, can't remember what they had for breakfast, much less who they said they would vote for the week before. I

Don't knock those crazy old retired folks. One day we will be one of them - lol.

TK

I think I already am one of them....

 

[Section112]

As SPK said two very weak candidates.

 

[Muggsy Blue]

Please, LOL

 

[donnie_baseball]

"It's just about over." LOL

 

[SnakeTom]

It seems that this scenario is becoming more and more likely with Obama winning the electoral vote and losing the popular vote. If it did happen it would be the first time it occurred for the Presidents second term.

In the other four instances it was a first time election and of those minirity Presidents only George W. bush was re-elected after that first term.

Tom K

 

[Merge]

Originally posted by SnakeTom:


It seems that this scenario is becoming more and more likely with Obama winning the electoral vote and losing the popular vote. If it did happen it would be the first time it occurred for the Presidents second term.

In the other four instances it was a first time election and of those minirity Presidents only George W. bush was re-elected after that first term.

Tom K

That is the worst case scenario. I would honestly prefer Romney win than that happening.
Republicans in congress would continue blocking us from doing anything and say that the majority of the country doesn't want Obama's agenda.

 

[HALL85]

Merge, and what makes you think that Obama is even interested in working with Republicans. He hasn't demonstrated ANY leadership in four years in terms of reaching across the aisle.

 

[Merge]

Originally posted by HALL85:

Merge, and what makes you think that Obama is even interested in working with Republicans. He hasn't demonstrated ANY leadership in four years in terms of reaching across the aisle.

I disagree. His healthcare bill for example is based on a conservative principle and it was originally republican legislation. The right shifted further right.

A lot of republicans are backing away from their pledge so I think Obama's second term would see a fair amount of bipartisan efforts.

and honestly, I don't see anything from Romney's campaign suggesting that he wants to work with senate democrats besides "I did it before" meanwhile saying he is going to piss all of them off on "Day 1"

 

[Section112]

If Obama did not reneg on Simpson Bowles I think he wins in a landslide because he would have shown that he can work across the aisle.

 

[HALL85]

Originally posted by Merge:

Originally posted by HALL85:

Merge, and what makes you think that Obama is even interested in working with Republicans. He hasn't demonstrated ANY leadership in four years in terms of reaching across the aisle.

I disagree. His healthcare bill for example is based on a conservative principle and it was originally republican legislation. The right shifted further right.

A lot of republicans are backing away from their pledge so I think Obama's second term would see a fair amount of bipartisan efforts.

and honestly, I don't see anything from Romney's campaign suggesting that he wants to work with senate democrats besides "I did it before" meanwhile saying he is going to piss all of them off on "Day 1"

Just because he copied some Republican ideas, doesn't demonstrate his willingness or ability to reach across the aisle. Obama has failed miserably in this regard. Romney has actually DONE IT as Governor. I guess results don't matter to you. I'm actually disappointed Romney hasn't focused more on this Obama blind spot, especially since he's in the perfect position given that he has a proven track record in this regard and hasn't been a part of the Congressional nonsense.

 

[Merge]

Originally posted by HALL85:

Originally posted by Merge:

Originally posted by HALL85:

Merge, and what makes you think that Obama is even interested in working with Republicans. He hasn't demonstrated ANY leadership in four years in terms of reaching across the aisle.

I disagree. His healthcare bill for example is based on a conservative principle and it was originally republican legislation. The right shifted further right.

A lot of republicans are backing away from their pledge so I think Obama's second term would see a fair amount of bipartisan efforts.

and honestly, I don't see anything from Romney's campaign suggesting that he wants to work with senate democrats besides "I did it before" meanwhile saying he is going to piss all of them off on "Day 1"

Just because he copied some Republican ideas, doesn't demonstrate his willingness or ability to reach across the aisle. Obama has failed miserably in this regard. Romney has actually DONE IT as Governor. I guess results don't matter to you. I'm actually disappointed Romney hasn't focused more on this Obama blind spot, especially since he's in the perfect position given that he has a proven track record in this regard and hasn't been a part of the Congressional nonsense.

That's like me coming to you and offering you a free SHU T-shirt and then you demanding that it should be a Rutgers shirt. Just because he faced a wall of "no" with anything he put forward, that doesn't mean he wasn't reaching across the aisle. He reached out his hand and they ran the other way.

They were gambling that would win them an election. We'll see how that worked out soon.

 

[SnakeTom]

Originally posted by HALL85:

Originally posted by Merge:

Originally posted by HALL85:

Merge, and what makes you think that Obama is even interested in working with Republicans. He hasn't demonstrated ANY leadership in four years in terms of reaching across the aisle.

I disagree. His healthcare bill for example is based on a conservative principle and it was originally republican legislation. The right shifted further right.

A lot of republicans are backing away from their pledge so I think Obama's second term would see a fair amount of bipartisan efforts.

and honestly, I don't see anything from Romney's campaign suggesting that he wants to work with senate democrats besides "I did it before" meanwhile saying he is going to piss all of them off on "Day 1"

Just because he copied some Republican ideas, doesn't demonstrate his willingness or ability to reach across the aisle. Obama has failed miserably in this regard. Romney has actually DONE IT as Governor. I guess results don't matter to you. I'm actually disappointed Romney hasn't focused more on this Obama blind spot, especially since he's in the perfect position given that he has a proven track record in this regard and hasn't been a part of the Congressional nonsense.

The problem is that Romney ran for Governor as a Moderate to Liberal candidate. As Governor he was pro choice, pro gun control & enacted a healthcare plan very similar to Obamacare but now he is opposed to each of those things. So who is the real Mitt Romney? Does he have any principles at all or does he just blow with the wind? I don't know that as President that he would work well with the other party or what he really would pursue. Interesting That George W. Bush won re-election by attacking Kerry's flip/flop record which in fact was much less so than Romney's. My feeling is that Romney as President would be controlled by the right wing of his party in Congress.

Personally I do not think Obama has done a very good job as President but I find Romney even less acceptable. I will vote to re-elect as the better of two mediocre choices.

Tom K

 

[HALL85]

Check your facts...Obama had a majority in Congress when he was elected and NEVER reached across, but rather used pit bulls Pelosi and Reid to do his dirty work and bull doze his programs. Nice to see Romney close on that point tonight....FINALLY!!!

 

[SnakeTom]

I'm not disagreeing with you, I don't think either will make a serious attempt to cull the favor of the other side. Unfortunately our political system has become much too polarized. With Romney though you can't be sure where he stands on too many issues but I'm taking his word on it that he has moved way to the right as evidenced by his primary campaign and that's why I'll vote against him as I do not believe in that philosophy.

TK

 

[HALL85]

Tom, I don't know if Romney can be successful building a consenus with both parties, BUT at least he has demonstrated the ability to actually do it. Obama hasn't even made a modest attempt. I was in Chicago a couple of weeks ago and even his supporters in that city felt that way.