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Thousands of N.J. residents have unemployment delayed by answering just one question wrong, state Labor chief says

By answering the question wrong, it "pends" their claim, a Labor Department spokeswoman said.
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If the NJ elected members of legislature truly cared, there would be a bi-partisan bill sponsored at Assembly to update the state system to more modern coded language to process claims, not using 40 year old computer language.

More, every state and the federal gov should work together so that in any future occurrences where federal supplemental assistance is available, all states can receive and send out these funds more seemlessly.
 
Glad you are waking up to the fact that most politicians don't really care, especially those in NJ government.
 
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So does everyone think it’s a good idea to let the government manage all of your health insurance???
 
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HALL85 said:
So does everyone think it’s a good idea to let the government manage all of your health insurance???
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after the vaccine rollouts, cant imagine any sane person doesnt get it. i am a convert, although i more so wanted a change in healthcare transparency than actual socialized healthcare.
 
SHUSA said:
after the vaccine rollouts, cant imagine any sane person doesnt get it. i am a convert, although i more so wanted a change in healthcare transparency than actual socialized healthcare.
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What is your reasoning for getting it? I don't think I'll be getting it.
 
SHUSA said:
after the vaccine rollouts, cant imagine any sane person doesnt get it. i am a convert, although i more so wanted a change in healthcare transparency than actual socialized healthcare.
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I don’t judge...I can respect people’s personal choices.
 
shu09 said:
What is your reasoning for getting it? I don't think I'll be getting it.
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i probably wouldnt get it until later when the new brands come out. the overall rollouts have been abhorrent. offensive. pathetic.

i prob would end up getting the traditional type vaccine. forget who makes it, just because its a peice of mind thing. i wont give it to other people like my parents. their vaccine could wear off in the summer/fall. plus when big brother makes us show a vaccine card to get into things ill be good to go 😁
 
SHUSA said:
i probably wouldnt get it until later when the new brands come out. the overall rollouts have been abhorrent. offensive. pathetic.

i prob would end up getting the traditional type vaccine. forget who makes it, just because its a peice of mind thing. i wont give it to other people like my parents. their vaccine could wear off in the summer/fall. plus when big brother makes us show a vaccine card to get into things ill be good to go 😁
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If I took it, it would be the more traditional type as well. I believe Johnson & Johnson is making that. But I just don't see the need for a virus that most people under 50 have little problem with.
 
shu09 said:
If I took it, it would be the more traditional type as well. I believe Johnson & Johnson is making that. But I just don't see the need for a virus that most people under 50 have little problem with.
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yea, well ive had all types of vaccines for diseases/viruses that are unlikely to contract or die from statistically. get a flu shot every year just to avoid getting a little sick.

its low risk, high reward, no effort or investment. tge burden is on a reason to not get it.
 
HALL85 said:
I don’t judge...I can respect people’s personal choices.
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that was really poorly stated. what i meant was that i cant understand why people would still want gov run healthcare after seeing how the vaccine rollouts went.
 
SHUSA said:
yea, well ive had all types of vaccines for diseases/viruses that are unlikely to contract or die from statistically. get a flu shot every year just to avoid getting a little sick.

its low risk, high reward, no effort or investment. tge burden is on a reason to not get it.
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I've never had a flu shot, don't plan on getting one either. Took all the standard vaccines when I was younger (measles, tetanus, etc).

Flu shot is pretty low risk, but the statistics show the mRNA covid shots are much higher risk for complications than the flu shot.
 
shu09 said:
I've never had a flu shot, don't plan on getting one either. Took all the standard vaccines when I was younger (measles, tetanus, etc).

Flu shot is pretty low risk, but the statistics show the mRNA covid shots are much higher risk for complications than the flu shot.
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do you have anything documenting this? i havent seen anything other than "we dont know."

even if its much higher risk than the flu it could still mean basically nothing. similar to how you think 500k deaths really isnt that much compared to 320m. the bar is so low for flu it could be 5x riskier and still not be a worry. but again ive seen nothing on the risk.

vaccines work. i embrace modern medicine.
 
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mRNA has been around since the 90's and they have advanced the technology significantly over that time. The Pfizer vaccine is very safe although if you have severe allergies you might want to consider other vaccines or speak to your doctor about it. But so far it's been extremely safe and now getting more and more data on being very effective. Here are a few articles you might want to check out if you are concerned and there are lots more:
wexnermedical.osu.edu

COVID-19 vaccine side effects | Ohio State Health & Discovery

The COVID-19 vaccine development process was accelerated and there is more to learn on how this vaccine works. Read on as an Ohio State expert shares information about mRNA vaccines.
wexnermedical.osu.edu wexnermedical.osu.edu

www.reuters.com

Israeli studies find Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine reduces transmission

Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine greatly reduces virus transmission, two Israeli studies have found, shedding light on one of the biggest questions of the global effort to quash the pandemic.
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The Israeli study is particularly important in that the vaccine significantly reduces transmission which is huge.

These vaccines are certainly the only way out IMO for our society that consists of healthy people, unhealthy people and many older people that invariably have health issues due to their age or genetics. My uncle just passed away from Covid at 83 and he had heart and circulation issues. With that said he was active and healthy his whole life and was enjoying his life and going to his doctor to manage his issues. He was very careful and he died alone which really sucks and was living a fun life in retirement. Good man - helped others.

One of my friends said so what Covid is killing people with underlying conditions. If you take care of yourself you don't have to worry. # 1 that is not always true. #2 there are a lot of people with underlying conditions that are either genetic or brought on by age or they are poor and simply don't have the means to live as healthy as some others with means. This disease killed a lot of good people and many healthy people and they died alone. For all those reasons I am getting the vaccine to help me avoid Covid and so I don't spread it to others. Got my first shot of Pfizer on Sunday. Sore arm and that is it. Its the second shot that folks have more reactions to but I know about 10 people who got their second shot and 3 had headaches or fevers for a day or so and that is it. You can internalize this and make your own choice but if you come in contact with others you have to think about that too. In the end we are social creatures and we have to protect ourselves, our family and whomever we come in contact with. End of soapbox but I hope the articles help and everyone gets out of this healthy and back to normal life as it was or close.
 
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My sister is a nurse and giving the vaccine a few days a week. She said their guidance is eat well the day of the vaccine and hydrate very well the day before and day of the vaccine. That is helping folks tolerate it much better especially if they are sensitive or have allergies. Thought I would share that tip.
 
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SHUSA said:
do you have anything documenting this? i havent seen anything other than "we dont know."

even if its much higher risk than the flu it could still mean basically nothing. similar to how you think 500k deaths really isnt that much compared to 320m. the bar is so low for flu it could be 5x riskier and still not be a worry. but again ive seen nothing on the risk.

vaccines work. i embrace modern medicine.
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CDC VAERS. Check it out.
 
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SHUSA said:
link? you listen to cdc now?
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Sorry for the typo in my original post, it's VAERS. I think the CDC is highly political but VAERS has been in place for years for all vaccines and cuts through the politics.

VAERS | Vaccine Safety | CDC

VAERS is the national vaccine safety monitoring system that accepts reports of adverse events after vaccination. The system can quickly detect potential safety issues with vaccines.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
 
shu09 said:
Sorry for the typo in my original post, it's VAERS. I think the CDC is highly political but VAERS has been in place for years for all vaccines and cuts through the politics.

VAERS | Vaccine Safety | CDC

VAERS is the national vaccine safety monitoring system that accepts reports of adverse events after vaccination. The system can quickly detect potential safety issues with vaccines.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
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From the CDC -
Over 52 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through February 14, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 934 reports of death* (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records findings revealed no link with vaccination. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS.

Right now we are experiencing over 1500 deaths a day so the 934 number doesn't equal the daily rate of death right now. It's still too many. Bottom line if you have serious allergies and are very sensitive to certain meds, you should probably speak to your Doc and possibly not get the vaccine. Otherwise I believe get it because of the protective properties and it minimalizes your chances of spreading it.
 
It's not just the deaths (which are far too many for a vaccine), it's the far greater chance (compared to a flu vaccine) of serious symptoms after the vaccination. Not just a sore arm, but very high fevers, chills and other adverse affects.
 
2.2% adverse events reported for covid vaccines this is the point where shu09s covid take goes into my brains garbage can. strong stance on 7% of pop with covid is nothing (true) yet scared of 2.2% adverse reactions from the vaccine.

seems like a personal bias. which is fine, i have personal bias to most everthing but for a while i had his take as fairly pragmatic.

knowing this, no flu shot, etc do we have an anti vaxxer on our hands? lol
 
SHUSA said:
2.2% adverse events reported for covid vaccines this is the point where shu09s covid take goes into my brains garbage can. strong stance on 7% of pop with covid is nothing (true) yet scared of 2.2% adverse reactions from the vaccine.

seems like a personal bias. which is fine, i have personal bias to most everthing but for a while i had his take as fairly pragmatic.

knowing this, no flu shot, etc do we have an anti vaxxer on our hands? lol
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2.2% is VERY high for a vaccine adverse event. Check the same stats for the flu vaccine. Far lower, because the flu vaccine is proven and safe.
 
shu09 said:
2.2% is VERY high for a vaccine adverse event. Check the same stats for the flu vaccine. Far lower, because the flu vaccine is proven and safe.
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its actually lower than the general flu vaccine, per the same CDC data set. Geneal Flu is 2.7-4.1%.

adverse reaction is also a broad spectrum of reactions. getting headache after isnt one id personally be too worried about.
 
SHUSA said:
its actually lower than the general flu vaccine, per the same CDC data set. Geneal Flu is 2.7-4.1%.

adverse reaction is also a broad spectrum of reactions. getting headache after isnt one id personally be too worried about.
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Headache isn't an adverse effect. They characterize adverse effects by severity, from life threatening to severe to moderate, etc. The rate of these is high compared to ordinary vaccines.

That's not to mention the potential long term effects. I've heard women have some fertility concerns. Nobody really knows what the long term effects might be because there's no data! This is a gamble. Also keep in mind they are NOT FDA approved. They have only been granted emergency use authorization.
 
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Headache isn't an adverse effect. They characterize adverse effects by severity, from life threatening to severe to moderate, etc. The rate of these is high compared to ordinary vaccines.

That's not to mention the potential long term effects. I've heard women have some fertility concerns. Nobody really knows what the long term effects might be because there's no data! This is a gamble. Also keep in mind they are NOT FDA approved. They have only been granted emergency use authorization.
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This was intended so that it is giving body formula to recognize a spike protein and stop it from multiplying and yes mRNA for anyone in 20 to 40 age range we have no knowledge of what can happen in 10, 20, 30 years
 
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This was intended so that it is giving body formula to recognize a spike protein and stop it from multiplying and yes mRNA for anyone in 20 to 40 age range we have no knowledge of what can happen in 10, 20, 30 years
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So if you're in that age range (like I am), an age range that would not likely experience major complications from contracting the virus, why would you gamble? Everyone should weigh the costs and benefits based on their own situation. For me, I don't think it's worth it.
 
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So if you're in that age range (like I am), an age range that would not likely experience major complications from contracting the virus, why would you gamble? Everyone should weigh the costs and benefits based on their own situation. For me, I don't think it's worth it.
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Ok that is your right, i dont dispute that...i also have reservations about mRNA and prefer a traditional route
 
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So if you're in that age range (like I am), an age range that would not likely experience major complications from contracting the virus, why would you gamble? Everyone should weigh the costs and benefits based on their own situation. For me, I don't think it's worth it.
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It’s a personal decision. We are essentially administering the mRNA technology as a live phase 1 clinical trial. I would respect anyone’s decision not to take it as I would to take it. Be an informed patient.
 
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It’s a personal decision. We are essentially administering the mRNA technology as a live phase 1 clinical trial. I would respect anyone’s decision not to take it as I would to take it. Be an informed patient.
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Agree. Personally I think it's worth the risk for those let's say 60 and older. But each person will make their own decision.
 
shu09 said:
Headache isn't an adverse effect. They characterize adverse effects by severity, from life threatening to severe to moderate, etc. The rate of these is high compared to ordinary vaccines.

That's not to mention the potential long term effects. I've heard women have some fertility concerns. Nobody really knows what the long term effects might be because there's no data! This is a gamble. Also keep in mind they are NOT FDA approved. They have only been granted emergency use authorization.
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the women fertility is just as scare tactic garbage as you pin covid horror stories of being. im looking at the data and covid vaccine less than common flu vaccine. also a low numer in general. 2.2% what more do you want? you gamble with worse odds if you choose risking covid, ya know the disease that could have some pretty bad unidentified long term effects? guess that only matters with your anti vax narrative.

true colors flowing on this one.
 
SHUSA said:
the women fertility is just as scare tactic garbage as you pin covid horror stories of being. im looking at the data and covid vaccine less than common flu vaccine. also a low numer in general. 2.2% what more do you want? you gamble with worse odds if you choose risking covid, ya know the disease that could have some pretty bad unidentified long term effects? guess that only matters with your anti vax narrative.

true colors flowing on this one.
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Instead of spouting MSM talking points, I would suggest following the science. Read the package insert; read the risk profile on the drug; assess your own health status; talk to your physician. Be an informed patient and understand the risk benefits of taking or not taking a drug in your personal situation.
 
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HALL85 said:
Instead of spouting MSM talking points, I would suggest following the science. Read the package insert; read the risk profile on the drug; assess your own health status; talk to your physician. Be an informed patient and understand the risk benefits of taking or not taking a drug in your personal situation.
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Nah, he just likes to spout off on the message board, trash others as less worthy humans and group them based on "narratives" because he disagrees with them. LOL.
 
SHUSA said:
the women fertility is just as scare tactic garbage as you pin covid horror stories of being. im looking at the data and covid vaccine less than common flu vaccine. also a low numer in general. 2.2% what more do you want? you gamble with worse odds if you choose risking covid, ya know the disease that could have some pretty bad unidentified long term effects? guess that only matters with your anti vax narrative.

true colors flowing on this one.
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A person in my age range has a 99.99% chance of recovery if contracting the virus. This is per CDC stats on this page, about halfway down under current best estimate: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...bUDTKBckeBAfqudrtvzWfQhYiUfHeEhCFeg5UXzalabGg

I'll trust my immune system over an uncertain vaccine essentially using the population as guinea pigs for a virus most people get over on their own.
 
SHUSA said:
the women fertility is just as scare tactic garbage as you pin covid horror stories of being. im looking at the data and covid vaccine less than common flu vaccine. also a low numer in general. 2.2% what more do you want? you gamble with worse odds if you choose risking covid, ya know the disease that could have some pretty bad unidentified long term effects? guess that only matters with your anti vax narrative.

true colors flowing on this one.
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More on the vaccine here. You are just plain WRONG when you say the flu vaccine is more dangerous. The numbers don't spell that out in any way. Here is a good summary:

 
A person in my office just had the second Moderna shot a couple days ago. This person still has not returned to work. High fever, chills, bad body aches and extreme fatigue.

No thanks.
 
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