Yes shu09 those are all side effects possible but not happening to all who get it, its minority plus peoplw who have many allergies should be mindful mrna can really bother them
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FDA backs Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine as safe and effective
The Food and Drug Administration backed Johnson & Johnson’s single-dose coronavirus vaccine as safe and effective on Wednesday as the agency weighs whether to clear the shot for emergency use. …
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thats a bad summary from the twitter of a former nyt reporter who clearly posts like a nutbag. and i said flu vaccine had more adverse effects. im in the cdc database myself, which frankly could be better. go in for yourself. seems like he wants to focus on deaths. 660 covid vaccine deaths out of 82m distributed doses = .0008%, flu is 440 out of 193m administered doses thats .0002%. exactly what i mentioned. you look at it as 4x worse than flu, i look at it as .0008% chance of death. youre a healthy male with no comorbidities or allergies. should be fine. right??
you couldnt give a rats ass about people being sick from covid but boo hoo your coworker now has the sniffles from the vaccine and its the big bad wolf. youre a hypocrite in the way you act.
being an anti vaxxer is dangerous.
Whether you die or not (and your chances of it) is pretty important, no? Remember when covid started and people compared it to the flu. They all said it was far more dangerous because of the multiplier vs. flu risk (ask @Merge, he was making that case often). Same thing applies here.
I am not an anti vaxxer. As I've said, I've taken vaccines before. Yes, I am hesitant when it comes to any drug (I don't take any pills/medications for example). But if the risk from the disease exceeds my hesitations/the risk from a vaccine, I'd take the vaccine. From the numbers I have seen regarding covid, the vaccine and the risks associated with both, right now I'm a no.
If this was smallpox, anthrax or even SARS/MERS, I'd probably take the vaccine. If I was 60 years old, I'd probably take the vaccine.
thats good. but i still think per your terms the risk doesnt outweight the reward when it comes to getting sick or dying. we didnt even get into the demographics or conditions of those who died from the vaccine. probably zero in your likeness.
and that doesnt even add in if you were unselfish and got the vaccine so you didnt transfer it to your loved ones.
i just find it odd you scoff at covid sickness yet you hide under the bed from the one night vaccine fever.
How do you know what his risk factors are?
How do you know what the go forward risk factors are of mRNA?
How do you know you can’t transmit the virus even if you’re vaccinated?
We now have a year of data as to who was most impacted; which therapies have been most effective; how we should have protected people, how the virus is transmitted, etc. What we know now is vastly different from twelve months ago. Don’t assume everything you are being told now, might be different 12 months from now.
Actually younger people have worse reactions to the vaccine precisely because they have better immune systems that are already working well. My grandmother got the shot, no reactions. And then you have the coworker (40s) who is in bed two days because of it.
Oh please. This shaming that people have started since 2020 has to stop. A vaccine is a personal decision. If my loved ones want to get it, they can get it (some already have). Vaccines are meant to protect you, not to protect others.
A lot went off the rails in 2020. Never before have we locked down healthy people and forced them all to wear masks. Never before have we shamed people for getting a virus. Really sad.
Oh please. This shaming that people have started since 2020 has to stop. A vaccine is a personal decision. If my loved ones want to get it, they can get it (some already have). Vaccines are meant to protect you, not to protect others.
A lot went off the rails in 2020. Never before have we locked down healthy people and forced them all to wear masks. Never before have we shamed people for getting a virus. Really sad.
This. Science and information is only as good as what you know at the time. Quite often, that information can prove to be false (especially when it's the government pushing out certain information).
That means they have an active immune system and they will most likely be protected for a long time and more importantly not spread it to others. That is a good immune response. And if you are overly concerned about that wait for the J&J vaccine and just do the one shot.
because they 1) have studies that already shows vaccine greatly diminishes transmission this isnt news 2) shu09 on numerous occasions let us know hes a healthy person, lives a very healthy lifestyle, and doesnt take medicine, 3) the unknown long term risk factors of mRNA are probably more studied than the long term risk factors of covid because mRNA wasnt invented in 2019.
that should clear everything up. i fail to see how the fear in the vaccine is any different in the fear in the virus, oh and you cant kill your parents with the vaccine
actually vaccines like this wear off. considering the studies show the vaccine limits transmission id say that it indeed protects others.
again ill maintain all the issues you shrug off about covid are no different than the vaccine except one was built by our brightest engineers and the other was possibly built in a chinese lab
Unlikely, but not impossible.
So if, as you say, the vaccines reduce transmission, why are "experts" saying there is no proof of that yet and even vaccinated people should keep masking and distancing. Can't have it both ways.
i never heard about vaccinated people needing to distance. thats dumb. i think masks are in place because nothing is absolutely full proof and might as well try to suppress this thing anyway possible. imo i think we should vaccinate and mask till the late spring then call the entire thing off. private establishments can enforce what they please.
believe me im tired of masks mostly because in the cities they want you to wear one outside. and theres a lot of people who believe this thing actually transmits outside
Effectiveness of BNT162b2 mRNA Vaccine Against Infection and COVID-19 Vaccine Coverage in Healthcare Workers in England, Multicentre Prospective Cohort Study (the SIREN Study)
Background: BNT162b2 mRNA and ChAdOx1 nCOV-19 adenoviral vector vaccines have been rapidly rolled out in the UK. We determined the factors associated with vacci
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Israeli studies find Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine reduces transmission
Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine greatly reduces virus transmission, two Israeli studies have found, shedding light on one of the biggest questions of the global effort to quash the pandemic.
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Proof is still being vetted but so far look promising.
You keep masking now because we need to get to a higher percentage of the population being vaccinated first. We are getting pretty close though.
Effectiveness of BNT162b2 mRNA Vaccine Against Infection and COVID-19 Vaccine Coverage in Healthcare Workers in England, Multicentre Prospective Cohort Study (the SIREN Study)
Background: BNT162b2 mRNA and ChAdOx1 nCOV-19 adenoviral vector vaccines have been rapidly rolled out in the UK. We determined the factors associated with vaccipapers.ssrn.com
Israeli studies find Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine reduces transmission
Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine greatly reduces virus transmission, two Israeli studies have found, shedding light on one of the biggest questions of the global effort to quash the pandemic.
Proof is still being vetted but so far look promising.
You keep masking now because we need to get to a higher percentage of the population being vaccinated first. We are getting pretty close though.
This is what I'm saying. So why is Fauci and others like him saying people who have already been vaccinated should still wear masks and distance? Why would they need to do that if they can't spread it?
sounds like the issue is with fauci and not the vaccine. i dont think anyone is fooled by anthony "dont wear masks/do wear masks" fauci anymore
The fact that you claim to know a posters health history and risk factors from a message board is hilarious. You want to continue shaming others into being vaccinated on your terms. Too funny.
mRNA has been used in cancer treatment but never for vaccines. Modern a has tried numerous times over the years without success. They excluded pregnant women and those planning to get pregnant in the short term, from the phase one study. I’m not saying it’s not safe, but there is limited data thus far on how it may attach to other protein receptors five years from now. We will learn that over time, but we have essentially released a drug after phase one, and skipped two and three.
I’m in group 1c any at so not even eligible yet (so it’s a moot point). We all have a responsibility not to jump the line for others that do want and need.
I think it's too early for them to totally know. The good news is more and more studies and findings are starting to provide a strong body of evidence that the vaccine is showing very good results that recipients have extremely low odds of carrying and passing the virus on. With any new virus, it is easier to spread until we have more immunity out there from vaccination or from having the virus. So for now the Docs are being conservative in their approach until we have more conclusive data. But it's looking very good. Better to take the conservative approach that is all it is. I'm not opposed to wearing a mask to protect others until we have cleared a few more hurdles and more data is in.
And in certain places in the future where you come in contact with lots of people, you will see masks like airports and concerts for instance.
i actually think if they said you don’t have to wear a mask once vaccinated, anyone can now unmask and say they’ve been vaccinated even if they haven’t.
Because that needs to the guidance at this point as the science is still being vetted, and you don't want to encourage people to stop wearing masks in an environment where people are still in line to get the vaccine.. and then you have to deal with people lying about being vaccinated. Not worth it yet. In a couple months the situation will be different.
i dont claim to know it, he willfully gave that information. for like months now and also today. its hilarious youre completely disregarding that. and im not shaming him for not getting vaccinated (i wont even get vaccinated for a long time for your reasons), im highlighting him for being contradictory to his own "pragmatic" response to this entire pandemic. you dont seem to grasp that. we know little about long term vaccine effects. just as little about long term effects of covid. my perfectly healthy cousin in her 30s had triple pulmonary embolism happen last month... likely an effect from covid. great now we all have similar anecdotes.
hes been very dismissive over the virus and peoples fears of the virus and it doesnt add up to how hes treating this vaccine. i dont disagree with him deferring i disagree with how he trashes the same covid arguments he uses for to validate being worried over the vaccine.
but youre right, based on his clues i cant say for certain hes not a pregnant lady.
she was literally diagnosed with embolisms. her dr hasnt ruled out covid being the underlying cause.
funny enough, im very close with a covid ward nurse in CT and cdc came in to study their covid treatments looking to update their guidlines. there were 4 main treatments and one of the effective treatments, you guessed it, anticoagulants.
but the point is, it hasnt been ruled out. just like any vaccine complications.
Because I absolutely think that the second they say you don’t have to wear a mask if you’re vaccinated, 100% of the population will suddenly be “vaccinated” and walking around maskless, when the actual number might be about 15% actually vaccinated. Maybe if they have some other indication for vaccination, like a yellow star or something... wait, bad idea.
had to think twice about using the laugh reaction to this. but you bring up a good point. one which makes sense.
Lol, I did think twice about posting but figured this board needs some levity some times. And that in no way is a reflection on my views toward the Holocaust. More like the uncomfortable smirk you get in Office Space when they’re talking about pieces of flare.
Could have said something about a Scarlet Letter instead but I’m not sure people read anymore, though the regulars on this board would probably get it. Some would think it’s a Rutgers reference.