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Definitely something that needs to be looked at, but it's a mistake to make it the first thing they do.
 
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I agree. No issue with them investigating but to have this press conference right now is just so tone deaf.

The message they took away from missing out on the expected red wave was that they need to talk about Hunter asap?
What else do these Republicans have to offer? They have nothing, they have no solutions, so they are going to look into someone who was not part of government. Great. Hunter takes the Fifth and this goes nowhere except to Fox News.
 
Nothing is going to get done for the next two years. $6.4 billion in campaign advertising well spent. Everyone thinks this okay?
 
Nothing is going to get done for the next two years. $6.4 billion in campaign advertising well spent. Everyone thinks this okay?

I'm generally fine with the federal government not doing much. The less government, the better. The legislation they pass makes things worse more often than not.
 
I'm generally fine with the federal government not doing much. The less government, the better. The legislation they pass makes things worse more often than not.

The best opportunity for any actual compromise though is when there is an incentive for it.
A divided congress, in theory, provides that incentive. It hasn't been working that way in practice but I do think there is still room to get some things done.
 
The best opportunity for any actual compromise though is when there is an incentive for it.
A divided congress, in theory, provides that incentive. It hasn't been working that way in practice but I do think there is still room to get some things done.
Don’t hold your breath.
 
red voters prob gobbling this up. whose the one poster here that salivates over hunter biden?
 
Don’t hold your breath.

We’ll see. Doing nothing will be a mistake for republicans. The public is tired of that. Find a way to work together, show the public that republicans want to lead. They can even afford to give Biden a few wins since he won’t be on the ticket in 24.

They need to start standing for something. We just saw that just opposing the other side doesn’t get them anywhere.
 
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We’ll see. Doing nothing will be a mistake for republicans. The public is tired of that. Find a way to work together, show the public that republicans want to lead. They can even afford to give Biden a few wins since he won’t be on the ticket in 24.

They need to start standing for something. We just saw that just opposing the other side doesn’t get them anywhere.
Is this just a Republican issue,
 
Is this just a Republican issue,

Dems can’t pass anything without them and they hold all of the leverage, so right now - yes.

Not to say this is always a republican issue. Just that if anything passes over the next two years, it will be because at least a handful of republicans in the house were convinced to find common ground somewhere.

I think now is when they should try to start to sell that they are the party of leadership and solutions and get Biden on board with their plans if he wants to pass something and I think he would be open to negotiate as a one term president.
 
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Dems can’t pass anything without them and they hold all of the leverage, so right now - yes.

Not to say this is always a republican issue. Just that if anything passes over the next two years, it will be because at least a handful of republicans in the house were convinced to find common ground somewhere.

I think now is when they should try to start to sell that they are the party of leadership and solutions and get Biden on board with their plans if he wants to pass something and I think he would be open to negotiate as a one term president.
But it goes both ways. If the Republican house proposes legislation, what are the chances that anything gets through Biden or the Senate?

The most encouraging thing is that we are seeing a change in leadership. Thankfully Pelosi is stepping down and Clyburn is going to be right behind her. McConnell needs to go too. Good riddance. Doesn't mean anything will get done, but they have a huge role in creating the lack of trust the public has in Congress.

I don't expect anything from Biden for the next two years. He's going into the bunker until its time to announce he's not running.
 
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But it goes both ways. If the Republican house proposes legislation, what are the chances that anything gets through Biden or the Senate?

Fairly good in my opinion. He sold himself as the reach across the aisle guy. This one term will be his legacy. He doesn't need to worry about satisfying his base or anything. He can just actually negotiate to a middle ground.

I don't expect anything from Biden for the next two years. He's going into the bunker until its time to announce he's not running.

We'll see. I very much disagree with that take. If inflation keeps dropping as expected over the next year, he will get to keep promoting that his polices are working and republicans are still doing nothing to help. etc...
 
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Fairly good in my opinion. He sold himself as the reach across the aisle guy. This one term will be his legacy. He doesn't need to worry about satisfying his base or anything. He can just actually negotiate to a middle ground.
Don't see that happening at all.
We'll see. I very much disagree with that take. If inflation keeps dropping as expected over the next year, he will get to keep promoting that his polices are working and republicans are still doing nothing to help. etc...
it's pretty obvious we are heading into a recession, so good luck promoting policies to people that are losing their jobs. Already seeing that in the tech sector and retail. He's a senile angry man that has nothing left in the tank. Can he promote his policies from his basement?
 
Don't see that happening at all.

it's pretty obvious we are heading into a recession, so good luck promoting policies to people that are losing their jobs. Already seeing that in the tech sector and retail. He's a senile angry man that has nothing left in the tank. Can he promote his policies from his basement?

"From his basement". Get that line from Hannity?
 
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it's pretty obvious we are heading into a recession, so good luck promoting policies to people that are losing their jobs. Already seeing that in the tech sector and retail.

Recession isn't quite certain yet. But that's the point. Inflation will be dropping ad Biden can point to it and as a success of his policies and then blame republicans for not helping on employment. Recession if it occurs isn't expected to last into 2024 though so politically speaking here, it would be a mistake for republicans to sit back and do nothing and let Biden have "fixed" inflation and a recession without them doing anything.

He's a senile angry man that has nothing left in the tank. Can he promote his policies from his basement?

BDS.
 
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Recession isn't quite certain yet. But that's the point. Inflation will be dropping ad Biden can point to it and as a success of his policies and then blame republicans for not helping on employment.
You can't blame the other party when you're in charge. You can try, but good luck with that.
Recession if it occurs isn't expected to last into 2024 though so politically speaking here, it would be a mistake for republicans to sit back and do nothing and let Biden have "fixed" inflation and a recession without them doing anything.
Both parties are f-ed up and won't do anything to fix inflation or recession. Biden's message all along has been way off on inflation being transitory and making other excuses that turned out to be wrong.
That's not a thing, but nice try.
 
Biden has plenty of things that can go well for him. Inflation has hopefully peaked and will be coming down. Unemployment will go up but not to horrible percentages. As a country we are at historic low level at 3.5 -3.7%. Even if it creeps up to 5%, that is a fairly low unemployment rate comparable to the Clinton years. That is still a low rate. When you think recession, you get people losing their jobs and having an unemployment rate really above 7%. I

There are a number of factors that can contribute to inflation and recession concerns that are out of the US hands. The first is the drought which has caused a huge spike in food prices. The second is the Ukraine war which has also contributed to the high cost of food prices as well as oil. Ukraine war gets resolved we do not have another year of drought globally and the economy should be in good shape second half of 2023.
 
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Biden has plenty of things that can go well for him. Inflation has hopefully peaked and will be coming down. Unemployment will go up but not to horrible percentages. As a country we are at historic low level at 3.5 -3.7%. Even if it creeps up to 5%, that is a fairly low unemployment rate comparable to the Clinton years. That is still a low rate. When you think recession, you get people losing their jobs and having an unemployment rate really above 7%. I

There are a number of factors that can contribute to inflation and recession concerns that are out of the US hands. The first is the drought which has caused a huge spike in food prices. The second is the Ukraine war which has also contributed to the high cost of food prices as well as oil. Ukraine war gets resolved we do not have another year of drought globally and the economy should be in good shape second half of 2023.
Respectfully disagree as I do not share your optimism. I don’t live in the land of hopefully is an maybes. Our healthcare costs are going to increase by double digits over the next five years. Actually think unemployment will be a lot worse than 5%.

The impact of the war in Ukraine impacting our economy is grossly overstated.
 
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Both parties are f-ed up and won't do anything to fix inflation or recession. Biden's message all along has been way off on inflation being transitory and making other excuses that turned out to be wrong.

We are talking about selling political messaging though. Not real impacts of legislation.
Inflation is going to drop. You don't think that Biden is going to be selling the idea that he did that with his "inflation reduction act" ? Of course he will. Who cares what his previous messaging was.
 
We are talking about selling political messaging though. Not real impacts of legislation.
Inflation is going to drop. You don't think that Biden is going to be selling the idea that he did that with his "inflation reduction act" ? Of course he will. Who cares what his previous messaging was.
But how do you “sell” inflation is going down while unemployment is going up? I actually think the messaging is overrated. It comes down to quality of candidates. Republicans didn’t take the Senate because they put up candidates that were worse than the Democratic ones.

The American public sees him for what he is. He can take all the victory laps that he wants, but when your own party doesn’t want you to run, what does that say?
 
Biden has plenty of things that can go well for him. Inflation has hopefully peaked and will be coming down. Unemployment will go up but not to horrible percentages. As a country we are at historic low level at 3.5 -3.7%. Even if it creeps up to 5%, that is a fairly low unemployment rate comparable to the Clinton years. That is still a low rate. When you think recession, you get people losing their jobs and having an unemployment rate really above 7%. I

There are a number of factors that can contribute to inflation and recession concerns that are out of the US hands. The first is the drought which has caused a huge spike in food prices. The second is the Ukraine war which has also contributed to the high cost of food prices as well as oil. Ukraine war gets resolved we do not have another year of drought globally and the economy should be in good shape second half of 2023.
Average Unemployment Rate During Their Presidencies:

Clinton = 5.2%
Bush II = 5.3%
Obama = 7.4%
Trump = 5.0%
Biden = 4.5%
 
Respectfully disagree as I do not share your optimism. I don’t live in the land of hopefully is an maybes. Our healthcare costs are going to increase by double digits over the next five years. Actually think unemployment will be a lot worse than 5%.

The impact of the war in Ukraine impacting our economy is grossly overstated.
The war is greatly impacting global food pricing along with the drought. The war is also contributing to global oil prices. Go look and see the price of gas in Europe. Far higher than what it is here in the States. We have been lucky. Pre-pandemic gas prices ranged form $2.60 to the $2.90's.

Couple the Ukraine War with OPEC + cutting production from what it was pre pandemic and you have your higher gas price. https://ycharts.com/indicators/opec_crude_oil_production. Meanwhile, the US has not achieved as much oil production as pre pandemic historical highs. However, August 2022, was the 9th highest oil production month in history in the US. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mcrfpus2&f=m
 
Average Unemployment Rate During Their Presidencies:

Clinton = 5.2%
Bush II = 5.3%
Obama = 7.4%
Trump = 5.0%
Biden = 4.5%

For fun, lets add their trends from day 1 though their presidency too

Clinton = Minus 3.1%
Bush II = Plus 4%
Obama = Minus 3.5%
Trump = Plus 1.9%
Biden = Minus 2.7%
 
For fun, lets add their trends from day 1 though their presidency too

Clinton = Minus 3.1%
Bush II = Plus 4%
Obama = Minus 3.5%
Trump = Plus 1.9%
Biden = Minus 2.7%
Average Unemployment Rate During Their Presidencies:

Clinton = 5.2%, Day 1 = 7.3%, down 2.1%
Bush II = 5.3%, Day 1 = 4.2%, up 1.1%
Obama = 7.4%, Day 1 = 7.8%, down 0.4%
Trump = 5.0%, Day 1 = 4.7%, up 0.3%
Biden = 4.5%, Day 1 = 6.4%, down 1.9%
 
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Average Unemployment Rate During Their Presidencies:

Clinton = 5.2%, Day 1 = 7.3%, down 2.1%
Bush II = 5.3%, Day 1 = 4.2%, up 1.1%
Obama = 7.4%, Day 1 = 7.8%, down 0.4%
Trump = 5.0%, Day 1 = 4.7%, up 0.3%
Biden = 4.5%, Day 1 = 6.4%, down 1.9%

I was going first day to last day.
 
The war is greatly impacting global food pricing along with the drought. The war is also contributing to global oil prices. Go look and see the price of gas in Europe. Far higher than what it is here in the States. We have been lucky. Pre-pandemic gas prices ranged form $2.60 to the $2.90's.

Couple the Ukraine War with OPEC + cutting production from what it was pre pandemic and you have your higher gas price. https://ycharts.com/indicators/opec_crude_oil_production. Meanwhile, the US has not achieved as much oil production as pre pandemic historical highs. However, August 2022, was the 9th highest oil production month in history in the US. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mcrfpus2&f=m
Are we talking global or US? Neither of those issues are having the same impact here that they are in Europe and other parts of the world.
 
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