Down one from 65. Not as bad as I feared.
Georgetown 191 from 194.
Georgetown 191 from 194.
Net now 66
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Yeah that was survival last night. Not going to move the needle. It would’ve been UGLY to add a Q4 home loss, danger zone stuff.
We remain a classic Bubble team. Still many games to get safely in…. Or pop. 🤷♂️
We have games at Villanova and at St. John’s coming up. Those are the ones IMO. Major swing games.
We remain a classic Bubble team. Still many games to get safely in…. Or pop. 🤷♂️
We have games at Villanova and at St. John’s coming up. Those are the ones IMO. Major swing games.
Seeing brackets w butler, prov and st johns and not us is frustrating
I think the next 3 games are really going to give us some clarity on our chances of dancing.....
0 wins - Serious Trouble. We would have to win 3 remaining home games and win at Creighton
1 win - Need to win remaining home games to get to 12 wins (or win at Creighton)
2 wins - Very good shape. 5 quad 1 wins
3 wins - Excluding a complete collapse, I would say we are a lock, as that would have us at 11 wins with 6 quad 1s
I would love to get 2 wins in this stretch.
0 wins - Serious Trouble. We would have to win 3 remaining home games and win at Creighton
1 win - Need to win remaining home games to get to 12 wins (or win at Creighton)
2 wins - Very good shape. 5 quad 1 wins
3 wins - Excluding a complete collapse, I would say we are a lock, as that would have us at 11 wins with 6 quad 1s
I would love to get 2 wins in this stretch.
Need to get to 19 wins going into Big East Tourney and win 1 at the Garden. That is 20 wins and we should be in .
None of this matters
**assuming** @Creighton and @UConn won’t go well
We have 5 games:
2 Nova
Butler
Xavier
St John’s
That’s the season..win 3 and we are in..2 it’s close..1 not going to make it
That’s the season in a nutshell
**assuming** @Creighton and @UConn won’t go well
We have 5 games:
2 Nova
Butler
Xavier
St John’s
That’s the season..win 3 and we are in..2 it’s close..1 not going to make it
That’s the season in a nutshell
Going to have to steal one of those road games because I wouldn't count on sweeping the 3 home games. Sunday would be really nice.
I think SHU can sweep Nova if things go just right. They’re vulnerable need to take advantage Sunday
Kenpom
| 39 | St. John's | 14-9 | +16.48 |
| 49 | Butler | 15-8 | +14.96 |
| 54 | Providence | 15-8 | +13.90 |
| 62 | Seton Hall | 15-8 | +12.63 |
And what the hell
| 40 | Villanova | 12-11 | +16.33 |
Not sure what brackets you're looking at, possibly from a few days ago. Everything I've seen as of this morning has us in firmly as a 10 or 11 seed. Bracketmatrix has us as the first 12 seed, but they haven't updated since yesterday, so we will probably move up after last night's win.
3 of 7 isn't going to get it done
Did we forget about, "who did you beat"? Look at florida who just got their first NET top 50 win
Why 3 of 7?
If we beat DePaul and any combo of the 2 I posted we will have a chance no a done deal which is exactly what I said
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If you respect Brad Watchel as a bracketologist and he is one of the best IMO, he states Seton Hall finishing 12-8 in BE play with all their wins down the stretch being home Q2 wins at best would put them in a first 4 IN / OUT scenario.
They would be 4-8 in Quad 1 at that point which is ok. And you still haven’t factored in potential bid stealers.
12-8 and you have to worry about BET tourney and other things across the country, while sweating it out on selection Sunday.
13-7 and you can say SHU should be comfortably in.
#1 why are your posts always so long..it’s obnoxious
#2 how could he say that in a vacuum without presenting the variables of how other bubble teams finish?
#1. Be better. I don’t treat this like a chat group. So my answers will always be more comprehensive to state or defend my point. If you don’t like it or reading is too difficult of a task for you, then just block me or ignore my posts, but don’t come at me like a whinny teenager.
#2. He can easily say that in a vacuum because at the time 5-4, with wins against DePaul, Georgetown, Nova, Butler, and Xavier don’t really move the needle on your metrics if you are going to lose 4 other games. It will essentially keep your NET in the 60s which is a danger zone for historical bubble teams.
He can also say that if you are squarely on the bubble now and don’t pick up any more marquee wins, there is a distinct and very likely possibility others will.
He can also state that every year there are a handful of bid stealers based on who wins their conference tournament.
So if you are currently projected as one of the last 4 teams in, on A LOT of brackets, playing .500 ball the rest of the way and hoping for everything not to go wrong is pretty presumptuous.
I am going to lean on Brad here and say it’s in our best interest to get that extra road win.
He did say 5-4 down the stretch (no losses to DePaul or Gtown) and a significant road win instead would be a major boost.
Presuming they remain Q1 wins, getting the road games against Villanova and St. John's would be a huge boost.
Road wins matter. As is often stated, there are no home games in the tournament.
Also, and more importantly, I'd rather be 6-6 or 5-7 in Q1 than 4-8. I'd obviously rather not trade a home loss (or two) for it, but those road wins (or the fantasy of winning at Creighton or UConn to get to six Q1 wins) would help more than the home win would.
Road wins matter. As is often stated, there are no home games in the tournament.
Also, and more importantly, I'd rather be 6-6 or 5-7 in Q1 than 4-8. I'd obviously rather not trade a home loss (or two) for it, but those road wins (or the fantasy of winning at Creighton or UConn to get to six Q1 wins) would help more than the home win would.
That Dawes turnover near the end of the GTown game gave me a flashback of last years BET. I am hoping to be in and not need that 1 win in the BET.
It's going to be a weird bubble when all is said and done. So many teams that will be out , have top 10 wins, and I would bet there will also be big upsets in all the conferences tournaments.
It's going to be a weird bubble when all is said and done. So many teams that will be out , have top 10 wins, and I would bet there will also be big upsets in all the conferences tournaments.
Checking bracketmatrix this morning... and somehow we slipped from the 1st 12 seed to the 2nd 12 seed after the Georgetown win... and St Johns somehow holds on to the last 11 seed with a worse conference record of 6-6, worse overall record of 14-9, with their best win being at home against Butler. Meanwhile we beat not only Butler away, but also the number one team in the country Uconn, along with #7 Marquette. Not to mention we crushed the Johnnies 80-65 head to head. Just makes no sense.
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I agree that they mostly likely don’t and are relying on the NET to help generalize where teams go.
However, the committee doesn’t factor head to head or conference record when decided if one team gets in over the other. This they have come out and stated previously.
In 2021-22 SMU finished 2nd in the AAC and Memphis 3rd. They beat Memphis twice in the regular season (lost to them in the AAC semis which isn’t supposed to count as much). Memphis gets into the tournament and SMU did not.
Bolded seems crazy to me. Why even have conference play if you're not gonna use the results?
At the current rate, there are going to be a lot of disappointed Hall fans on Selection Sunday because they are clearly trending in the wrong direction, because other teams are simply doing better. And that’s before bid stealing season commences.
Not really. Big East will probably finish as the 2nd or 3rd best conference in the country this year. Year in and year out, Big East shows why it's a Power conference in basketball. And right now Seton Hall is third in that conference.
The problem isn't that other teams are doing better (as shown clearly with my St. John's example), the problem is that SHU is not getting credit for our record due to our NET ranking. Because even though we win, we don't win "pretty" enough for the metrics. And unfortunately it's becoming clear that the NET ranking is what a lot of voters lean on to make their determinations.
They don't.
I find it maddening that Seton Hall is on the bubble as of right now.
Who knows what happens the rest of the way but as of right now Seton Hall should be clearly in.
That’s what I mean when other teams are doing better. Look at results around the country. SHU’s metrics are stagnant at best. Also a 2-3 record over the last few weeks. Other teams are just doing better. Of course that can change, but until then…
Seton Hall really only has one thing going for it - four quad 1 wins. Other that, the resume is quite weak. Only two noteworthy wins away from the Rock. NET in the mid 60s. An atrocious non-conference performance against the #243 schedule, including a Q3 home loss.
Many teams dont even have 4 quad 1 wins. Look at how many teams above us have zero, 1, 2, 3 quad 1 wins.
SJU keeps losing and stays above us, who did they beat so good? thats some Slick Rick love
you've been saying a lot that it's a bit too early to claim anything. including this. their losses weren't bad whatsoever. beat nova and theyre trending up again
It's not that we don't win pretty, it's that we beat lousy teams. Eight of our 15 wins are quad four wins, two others are quad three. That's two/thirds of our wins against Q3 and Q4. We have five wins against Q1 and Q2. St. John's has seven.
Here are the current team sheets for both us and St. John's and you can see exactly what the Selection Committee will be looking at. Pay attention to Strength of Schedule because that matters and is a major factor in the NET rankings.
Saint John's Red Storm NET - Nitty Gritty Report & Team Sheet 2024 Men's College Basketball | WarrenNolan.com
NET - Nitty Gritty Report & Team Sheet for Saint John's Red Storm 2024 Men's College Basketball. This Is a Duplication of the report used by the NCAA Tournament Selection Committee to Determine At-Large Teams in the national championship tournament with quadrants
Seton Hall Pirates NET - Nitty Gritty Report & Team Sheet 2024 Men's College Basketball | WarrenNolan.com
NET - Nitty Gritty Report & Team Sheet for Seton Hall Pirates 2024 Men's College Basketball. This Is a Duplication of the report used by the NCAA Tournament Selection Committee to Determine At-Large Teams in the national championship tournament with quadrants
Nova has 2 quad 3 losses as well, less quad 1 wins and is 1 game over .500 overall, 10th in the BE w a sub .500 BE record. How do u justify them w a top 50 net? I mean they are considered a quad 1 game today.
8 games left. Win today. Go in Wednesday and repeat. One at a time. I know we like to play the win, win , loss game but there is literally no one in our schedule we can’t beat in a one off matchup.
Their strength of schedule (No. 7 NET overall) and three Q1 wins, all away from home against top 40 opponents. They are 6-8 against Q1 and Q2 and have only played four Q4 games -- two of which were DePaul.
Their Q3 losses are the anchor on their resume that our poor OOC is on ours.
Villanova Wildcats NET - Nitty Gritty Report & Team Sheet 2024 Men's College Basketball | WarrenNolan.com
NET - Nitty Gritty Report & Team Sheet for Villanova Wildcats 2024 Men's College Basketball. This Is a Duplication of the report used by the NCAA Tournament Selection Committee to Determine At-Large Teams in the national championship tournament with quadrants
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