NIL Ideas
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No, it’s your negativity that I got out of that. Do you really believe that the people involved in the NIL effort aren’t thinking about this and developing plans for sustaining the program?
Probably best we table this NIL debate.
What's done is done. We will now, in 2 days, hear the plan. Then we'll better be able to comment on the vision as explained by Mike McBride.
Not his fault what transpired to this point. But from Thursday on the blame or the credit is strongly on him.
I think he'll be a keeper.
What's done is done. We will now, in 2 days, hear the plan. Then we'll better be able to comment on the vision as explained by Mike McBride.
Not his fault what transpired to this point. But from Thursday on the blame or the credit is strongly on him.
I think he'll be a keeper.
Yes sadly since we are now close to 1.5 years behind I have zero faith in the team assembled and thinking about SHU NIL. I will give McBride some time but his slow approach with no more then a half a tick up in communication won’t have me bowing and singing his praises yet.
The slow approach was not of his making. Just followed orders.
Nothing to date is his fault. Judge him starting Oct 19.
Hall Ball doesn’t show up, but Hall Hands on Deck is a few links lower than Sha’s “Everyone wanna get paid” quote in a title line.
I agree with you that we are behind. Just not ready to say we won’t find a way forward. Agree with Dan, it gets very real starting Thursday.
We probably spent all 800k on getting the Hall Ball logo made and the logo is so bad it looks like a hamster made it.
Or, it helped fortify the current roster. But I'm sure those that keep complaining seldom do anything more than that.
Maybe we'll see you Thursday at the Beefsteak to discuss ideas. But in reality, I doubt it.
That’s extreme, but if you can’t see that college athletics is very clearly heading in a direction that won’t be feasible for schools like seton hall and hundreds others you’re fooling yourself. They will not care if we are left out and they most likely want it that way.
Yeah that’s it. Let’s exploit a charitable non profit and use it as a money laundering service for the gain of current athletes. Disgusting suggestion. I can’t stand anything to do with NIL, it’s repulsive.
Either you get a scholarship or you choose to brand and market yourself and make money on your own effort, you don’t get both. There should be no other options.
What should be and what is are 2 different things.
Do you think non profits don’t pay celebrities to advertise? Mark Wahlber isn’t getting paid to do those tunnel for towers commercials. My suggestion could make a legit charity an extra 6 figures. Increase your donations big time by seton hall players promoting you. Pay them for their marketing to the seton hall community..
I don't think anyone is fooling themselves by thinking we *can* compete in this new environment. It will certainly be a challenge for smaller schools like Seton Hall but we can still be successful. Consider the following:
1) This isn't football where the top 65ish (P4) teams have a monopoly on talent. 85 scholarships x 65 teams = 5,525 players. That doesn't leave a lot left over for the have nots.
2) There are only 13 scholarships in basketball. Even if the P4 takes all the best players there simply isn't enough roster spots at those schools to accommodate all the high major players. 13 scholarships x 65 teams = 845 players.
3) There needs to be a culture shift. We have thousands of fans who donate to Pirate Blue as part of their season ticket package. The school will need to relax their requirement and instruct those fans to allocate that same money to NIL in lieu of Pirate Blue.
4) The leadership has been inept, but I don't think that means all future leadership will be equally incompetent. People are capable of growth and development.
Let's see what the new plan is moving forward. Education is the biggest hurdle. Think about all the time, money, and mental real estate that our fans dedicate to Seton Hall basketball. People are invested. If you tell me that for $2,000 I can get season tickets to a bottom feeder program, but for $2,500 I can get season tickets to a highly competitive program - that's a very easy decision for me to make and I think most of our fans would agree.
A celebrity who get no fee gets a huge payoff anyway in good will that translates into good feelings and into $$. I am not saying that is why they do it but it sure helps them anyway
I see your point, but the math is different. CFB can operate with 64 power teams out of 133 FBS programs…different media package that values in season games.
CBB has 353 teams and is built for March Madness which generates most of the media income for three weeks. You need dozens of teams outside the P4 to make that work.
That seems like a forecasting nightmare to allow money to move between both. I just don’t see how that works long term.
Agree, and new people could change the landscape. BOR needs to lead better…seems like the problem at the top. We all want the university to succeed.
It’s how it gets sold and getting stakeholders invested. There are routes the school can take - outside the box/creative - but that remains to be seen. Fingers crossed.
Personally, if I’m sitting in my seat, enjoying the game and rooting with the guys to the left and right of me, I really don’t care if one contributes $100k and one contributes $1.
A good point...about roster size...so who is to say that Power 4/5 wont decide that "13 isn't some magical number after all"...and increase it? Just so they can grab more of the high end talent...
Money I guess will dictate that...if the "prize" is big enough...such as if they siphon off the NCAA tournament to be their own, then have a smaller pie with larger riches to share...then what the heck, it's worth raising a million or 3 more to get more of the payouts.
While the cost would be pennies in the grand scheme of things, does it make sense for schools to fund additional scholarships for players who likely won't play just to keep those players from other schools?
Honestly, I think all that will do is add to the transfer churn we already see,
There are schools now that don't hand out 13 scholarships for any of a number of reasons.
Does SHU have a consolidated broker partner? (I don't expect anyone here to know or be about to answer that) If so, great. If not, get one. It's an easy easy to redirect some ticket sales revenue to NIL with a properly structured deal.
Broker deals typically involve a discounted bulk buy with a profit share on the broker's sales after a certain point. Just replace the profit share portion that the broker would pay back to SHU with an NIL donation in its place. They could further increase that bucket by further discounting the bulk buy. The broker directly benefit from the quality of the team and thus would be motivated to make the NIL donations and possibly even seek their own NIL deals with players.
Broker deals typically involve a discounted bulk buy with a profit share on the broker's sales after a certain point. Just replace the profit share portion that the broker would pay back to SHU with an NIL donation in its place. They could further increase that bucket by further discounting the bulk buy. The broker directly benefit from the quality of the team and thus would be motivated to make the NIL donations and possibly even seek their own NIL deals with players.
People should stop making excuses. It is this simple, if everyone on this board donated $500 then SHU would be extremely competitive. Please stop complaining and be constructive. The vast majority of people spend more than$500 per year on coffee.
Seriously TB, how many regular posters are on this board not including other school fans like hinson, CL82, CornyT and others? 50? 100 max?
My understanding is that over 1000 people are on the board each day, few post. Danny can confirm.
Easily. I am amazed how many people come up to me at games, at events, etc and tell me they lurk but don't post.
We have three boards and each day those boards are very well trafficked.
I no longer get a count but the site does get advertising dollars based on traffic on the site. I use all that money and put it and more back into the site and into donations for worthy causes and to Seton Hall.
We have three boards and each day those boards are very well trafficked.
I no longer get a count but the site does get advertising dollars based on traffic on the site. I use all that money and put it and more back into the site and into donations for worthy causes and to Seton Hall.
If that’s the case, the vast majority of people don’t even post, so why would they be so quick to commit $500 plus? I’m sure there arey that are fans of other schools that check in to see what’s happening with our program (like we do with theirs).
There are many passionate and committed fans on the site, but the reality is, it’s a relatively small number that doesn’t make your math work. I love your optimism though.
TrueBlue1989 is a major donor. So he is not just mouthing the words. He's walking the walk. I think what he is doing is trying to spur donations to help SHU.
Basically he's doing what I do as well, knowing that it can at times grate on some people but also it does contribute to the cause.
If we get heat, that's fine. Our goal is to help our school.
Bottom line, in about 24 hours our NIL plan will become clear. Let's see if it bears fruit.
I so hope that those that constantly complain and truthfully they often make quality points now step up. The time for excuses are over. If we want to enjoy SHU BB, then like it or not the ball is in our court.
We lost a major player in Tyrese Samuel to the (NIL) portal. I truly believe if he came back we would be NCAA bound. Now, most probably we will be in the NIT. That's what maybe an extra few dollars meant for this season if everyone going to the games contributed.
Basically he's doing what I do as well, knowing that it can at times grate on some people but also it does contribute to the cause.
If we get heat, that's fine. Our goal is to help our school.
Bottom line, in about 24 hours our NIL plan will become clear. Let's see if it bears fruit.
I so hope that those that constantly complain and truthfully they often make quality points now step up. The time for excuses are over. If we want to enjoy SHU BB, then like it or not the ball is in our court.
We lost a major player in Tyrese Samuel to the (NIL) portal. I truly believe if he came back we would be NCAA bound. Now, most probably we will be in the NIT. That's what maybe an extra few dollars meant for this season if everyone going to the games contributed.
I know we have to wait and see. But I really hope this great plan we’ve heard about is a lot more than just continually asking everybody to donate or asking people to pay for admission to this event or that event. Going to need significant development in different areas to move forward. I’m skeptical…
At what point will you understand that for the most part, this is a pay for play? Do you really think there will be something rolled out that will be a commensurate value for cost?
What do you think other schools are doing that isn’t straight donation or paying money for exclusive events?
Yes that’s a part of it. But currently that’s ALL we have. Hence why I said we need significant development and why I’m skeptical.
Part 2 of my question… what are other schools doing that we should be doing? There is not going to be a solution where you are being asked to pay something and be thrilled with the value.
I heard the Spring Lake golf outing was a great time. Was it worth $5k? Not to most… but access to Sha and other players was exclusive.
If you keep waiting for your socks to be blown off, you’re going to be unimpressed.
I can hint at two things that were very inventive but didn't happen.
One involved sami and his group. I am hoping that maybe next year it comes to pass.
The other, a fabulous idea by Mike Frungillo was basically set but (undisclosed) damage happened and that was canceled. Hopefully until next spring. I hazard a guess that no one in the country was doing what Mike had planned.
One involved sami and his group. I am hoping that maybe next year it comes to pass.
The other, a fabulous idea by Mike Frungillo was basically set but (undisclosed) damage happened and that was canceled. Hopefully until next spring. I hazard a guess that no one in the country was doing what Mike had planned.
My main thing is education. The vast majority of our fanbase simply doesn't know (a) that fans/sponsors are now responsible for payroll, and (b) what is needed on an annual basis.
To Sami's point, you will never generate a competitive budget thru autograph signings or fanfest events. In 2023 good college athletics comes at a price. Eventually, our fans either need do what every other fanbase is doing or find a new hobby.
We have thousands of season ticket holders - I'm sure those people would prefer to pay a slight premium on those seats to enjoy high quality basketball instead of watching a non-competitive team.
To Sami's point, you will never generate a competitive budget thru autograph signings or fanfest events. In 2023 good college athletics comes at a price. Eventually, our fans either need do what every other fanbase is doing or find a new hobby.
We have thousands of season ticket holders - I'm sure those people would prefer to pay a slight premium on those seats to enjoy high quality basketball instead of watching a non-competitive team.
Who says we are going to be non-competitive? If anything, the folks closest to the program who post here say we are going to be better if not significantly better than most of the preseason predictions by other outlets. With our current NIL situation.
I guess it depends on how big the "prize" is; if they water down the number of teams, and they then take the position that "we dont want any pesky mid-major knocking us out and keeping us from getting the big bucks" kind of thing, then maybe...cost of doing business
