No gun problems right?

[HALL85]

The problem is you can punish those who abuse but the shootings keep coming because society is filled with countless losers. There needs to be something done to stem the tide of countless shootings that occur.

A realtor in NJ has to take a 75 hour course to even sit for the state test, yet a prospective gun owner just needs to complete a few forms and they can get a deadly weapon.

Obviously criminals dont follow laws, so severe punishment for those that break the law needs to occur, but good luck with that where nobody goes to jail anymore

If you think New Jersey is easy, apply for a gun permit in Pennsylvania. It took me a literally 10 minutes to fill out and process the form and I got my license in a couple of weeks. I am all for a more rigid licensing process but that is not going to prevent guns from getting in the hands of criminals. And as you said, criminals don’t follow the laws, especially when they are not enforced and little consequence. The vast majority of gun violence is committed by criminals who have been previously arrested. Why not address the biggest contributing factor?

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

If you think New Jersey is easy, apply for a gun permit in Pennsylvania. It took me a literally 10 minutes to fill out and process the form and I got my license in a couple of weeks. I am all for I’m origin licensing process but that is not going to prevent guns from getting in the hands of criminals. And as you said, criminals don’t follow the laws, especially when they are not enforced and little consequence. The vast majority of gun violence is committed by criminals who have been previously arrested. Why not address the biggest contributing factor?

Why not do both? We can create sensible gun laws without infringing on American rights AND harshly punish those that violate laws.

 

[HALL85]

Why not do both? We can create sensible gun laws without infringing on American rights AND harshly punish those that violate laws.

We can do both, but why wouldn’t you prioritize the areas that contribute to the most casualties?

 

[SHUSA]

I usually agree with much of what HALL85 says but to lump me in with everything he says and him with everything I say is just lazy and dumb.

not everything, just this topic. considering you chose to call out my nuke example but not his atv example, youve come right out and shown us.

 

[SPK145]

Right.

There should be a transactional agent between all gun sales and purchases. The gun you purchase should be registered to you and you should be responsible to ensure that gun doesn't get into the wrong hands. You should be held liable if you sell your gun to someone outside the laws and that person commits a crime.

Like owning a car. I am responsible for my car. I have to transfer the title when I sell it.

This is certainly reasonable but won't do anything to stop criminals.

How easy was it to buy pot when it was illegal?

 

[knowknow456]

We can do both, but why wouldn’t you prioritize the areas that contribute to the most casualties?

Let's do both. What sensible gun legislation would you propose?

 

[shu09]

not everything, just this topic. considering you chose to call out my nuke example but not his atv example, youve come right out and shown us.

I don't read or respond to every post on every thread. Sorry if that disappoints you.

 

[SPK145]

AP: Some stolen US military guns used in violent crimes

Pulling a pistol from his waistband, the young man spun his human shield toward police. “Don’t do it!” a pursuing officer pleaded.

apnews.com

 

[SHUSA]

I don't read or respond to every post on every thread. Sorry if that disappoints you.

very selective. nyshore esque

 

[Merge]

This is certainly reasonable but won't do anything to stop criminals.

How easy was it to buy pot when it was illegal?

I don't think any answer would be perfect but at the same time if there are obvious loopholes we can close which wouldn't harm the right to own a gun - we should do so. In my opinion, private sales is one of those loopholes.
I'd also be supportive of other measures like harsher penalties for crimes committed with a gun and illegally possessing a gun etc..

 

[HALL85]

I don't think any answer would be perfect but at the same time if there are obvious loopholes we can close which wouldn't harm the right to own a gun - we should do so. In my opinion, private sales is one of those loopholes.
I'd also be supportive of other measures like harsher penalties for crimes committed with a gun and illegally possessing a gun etc..

I remember seeing Cory Booker speaking on this topic and he cited the three major trends behind gun homicides. One was criminals that had used a gun in the commission of a previous crime. Another was domestic violence and I can’t remember the third. He suggested addressing gun violence with targeted legislation in these areas. Seem to make a lot of sense.

i’m not opposed to eliminating loopholes or any legislation, but is it just to make us feel good or will it have a material impact on the number of deaths we are seeing? What’s the objective here? I would think having the greatest reduction in gun homicides would be the number one priority.

 

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I remember seeing Cory Booker speaking on this topic and he cited the three major trends behind gun homicides. One was criminals that had used a gun in the commission of a previous crime. Another was domestic violence and I can’t remember the third. He suggested addressing gun violence with targeted legislation in these areas. Seem to make a lot of sense.

i’m not opposed to eliminating loopholes or any legislation, but is it just to make us feel good or will it have a material impact on the number of deaths we are seeing? What’s the objective here? I would think having the greatest reduction in gun homicides would be the number one priority.

It's part of Booker's plan to end gun violence actually.



Ensure a background check on every gun sale by closing the loophole on guns show and online sales and the so-called “Charleston Loophole”:

Background checks are foundational to any gun safety policy, but loopholes in current law allow individuals to purchase guns in private sales from strangers without a background check. Current law requires that federally licensed firearms dealers conduct background checks on individuals seeking to purchase a firearm in commercial transactions, but prohibited purchasers — such as criminals and domestic abusers — can exploit this loophole simply by finding an unlicensed seller.

 

[knowknow456]

but is it just to make us feel good or will it have a material impact on the number of deaths we are seeing?

You prefer to do nothing because it isn't "material". Such an accounting concept. You must have been an auditor before you became an expert in everything else. I would argue every death is material.

 

[HALL85]

It's part of Booker's plan to end gun violence actually.

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Ensure a background check on every gun sale by closing the loophole on guns show and online sales and the so-called “Charleston Loophole”:

Background checks are foundational to any gun safety policy, but loopholes in current law allow individuals to purchase guns in private sales from strangers without a background check. Current law requires that federally licensed firearms dealers conduct background checks on individuals seeking to purchase a firearm in commercial transactions, but prohibited purchasers — such as criminals and domestic abusers — can exploit this loophole simply by finding an unlicensed seller.

Like I said, I am not opposed to closing loopholes or putting reasonable controls in place. I am most concerned with reducing the number of casualties. Any solutions should address that should be based on real data. I thought Bookers approach in looking at root causes made sense.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

You prefer to do nothing because it isn't "material". Such an accounting concept. You must have been an auditor before you became an expert in everything else. I would argue every death is material.

Do you use that logic with all matters or just guns? Cars lead to deaths. Processed foods lead to death. What should we do?

 

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Do you use that logic with all matters or just guns? Cars lead to deaths. Processed foods lead to death. What should we do?

Regulate them appropriately.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Regulate them appropriately.

We have speed limits, seat belts, and people are still dying. What are we missing? The FDA has been allowing Americans to eat foods that will make them ill for years. Have they been doing a bad job? Should we have limits on meat and sugar consumption?

 

[SHUSA]

We have speed limits, seat belts, and people are still dying. What are we missing? The FDA has been allowing Americans to eat foods that will make them ill for years. Have they been doing a bad job? Should we have limits on meat and sugar consumption?

dont understand your speed limit/seat belt comment. sounds like youre saying its useless regulation because people still die...

 

[Merge]

We have speed limits, seat belts, and people are still dying. What are we missing? The FDA has been allowing Americans to eat foods that will make them ill for years. Have they been doing a bad job? Should we have limits on meat and sugar consumption?

You can choose to drink a Coke every day if you want to, but if you had the ability to kill me by drinking that Coke then we would regulate it differently than we do.

With cars, they are slightly more dangerous to others than soda so we regulate them differently. You have to prove you are capable of driving a car to get a license, you have to register the car with your state and carry proof of registration and insurance with you whenever you drive that car. When you decide to sell the car you need to transfer the title through your state.

 

[HALL85]

You can choose to drink a Coke every day if you want to, but if you had the ability to kill me by drinking that Coke then we would regulate it differently than we do.

With cars, they are slightly more dangerous to others than soda so we regulate them differently. You have to prove you are capable of driving a car to get a license, you have to register the car with your state and carry proof of registration and insurance with you whenever you drive that car. When you decide to sell the car you need to transfer the title through your state.

And we have made the penalties and fines for drunk driving much stiffer than they used to be. Assume that’s had a positive effect on automobile deaths.

 

[knowknow456]

Like I said, I am not opposed to closing loopholes or putting reasonable controls in place.

What loophole would you support closing and what reasonable control would you suggest putting in place?

 

[knowknow456]

Cars lead to deaths. Processed foods lead to death

Whatabout cars? Whatabout processed foods? And, of course, whatabout Kathy Griffin?

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Whatabout cars? Whatabout processed foods? And, of course, whatabout Kathy Griffin?

That is an insult to people who have died in car accidents as well as from consequences of the American diet. I guess you truly don't believe every life lost is material otherwise you wouldn't have gone that route.

Whatabout you going perform the impossible act of procreation upon yourself.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

You can choose to drink a Coke every day if you want to, but if you had the ability to kill me by drinking that Coke then we would regulate it differently than we do.

With cars, they are slightly more dangerous to others than soda so we regulate them differently. You have to prove you are capable of driving a car to get a license, you have to register the car with your state and carry proof of registration and insurance with you whenever you drive that car. When you decide to sell the car you need to transfer the title through your state.

We have gun legislation and people are still dying. We have legislation for cars and people are still dying. Why are one's regulations bad and the other not? I still wonder if the highest speed limit is 85 mph, why don't they regulate that no car goes above 85 mph. If a company wants to sell their product here, they'll adhere to the changes.

 

[HALL85]

We have gun legislation and people are still dying. We have legislation for cars and people are still dying. Why are one's regulations bad and the other not? I still wonder if the highest speed limit is 85 mph, why don't they regulate that no car goes above 85 mph. If a company wants to sell their product here, they'll adhere to the changes.

There is also the issue of enforcement. You can create all the legislation you want, but if you choose not to enforce the laws, good luck with that.

That is a great point about regulating the speed of a car. Kind of funny, that golf carts can go a lot faster but there is a governor on the engine to prevent high speed and accidents on the course.