OT: Medical School Update

[400SOAVE]

There's an article about a presentation in Clifton. The article does not state it, but it sounds as if it happened before the Clifton City Council.

They are down to two candidates for dean.

Now they say it will cost $200 million.

I'm not sure the writer understands the meaning of the word, "stipulate." He uses it twice in the article. Of interest to SHU alums is the line that says the medical school "stipulated there would be no dormitories on the campus."

Why would they need to stipulate that?

Have they actually agreed that as a condition to get the school started, there must not be a dorm? IF they did that then that's really bad negotiating.

I strongly believe a dorm should be a key component of the medical school, which is more than the typical medical education entity. It's going to innovate with an integrated model that includes the nursing school and other medical programs.

As I previously mentioned, I would think they would want to create a true campus community where medical students of every type learn together, especially since they say they want to attract students from all over the nation.

I'm curious what you guys think.

http://www.northjersey.com/news/business/route-3-medical-school-called-win-win-1.1444661?page=all

 

[SPK145]

Will there be a concession stand and bathrooms?

 

[hallgrad80]

Will there be a concession stand and bathrooms?

Yes but only available on alternate days.

 

[400SOAVE]

Funny. What do you do, keep an archives of past comments?

I certainly hope you don't think it's a good thing to hold sporting events at a field with no bathroom. It ridiculous and embarrassing for there to be one disgusting and smelly port-a-potty at the SHU soccer field.

I would hope we would all agree that it's highly unacceptable for a Big East school with supposed aspirations to develop programs that complete on a national level.

It should have been a much higher priority than a scoreboard that's barely visible regardless of whether you're watching soccer or baseball due to the angle.

"Yes, Mr. and Mrs. Johnson, we'd like your blue chip son or daughter to stay local and play at Seton Hall. You can come and watch every home game if you don't mind doing No. 1 and/or No. 2 in that plastic box. You'd love it on a 90 degree day. As Ernie Banks used to say, "Let's do No. 2." And bring the grandparents. We can bury them in it when they faint and die while pooping."

 

[TheBluePirate]

400, while I agree with your skeptical view on the writer's command of the language, I would not be surprised that there is a requirement preventing the use of available buildings as dorms since the article talks a lot about the urgency for "rateables"

 

[seton1996]

400, while I agree with your skeptical view on the writer's command of the language, I would not be surprised that there is a requirement preventing the use of available buildings as dorms since the article talks a lot about the urgency for "rateables"

I don't think dorms would ever be a component of building a medical school at an offsite campus. Would not be enough demand from medical school students to offset cost of building out and maintaining such. More than enough private apartments in area to handle the 125-150 students/class. Also by last year majority, if not all of students time would be in hospital which are not at school location.

 

[SHUisNJsTeam]

You need housing of some sort. They are talking about moving the College of Nursing as well as the School of Health and Medical Sciences to this site. Not sure about SHMS but Nursing absolutely has undergrad programs. Where are these students living? Is the plan to house them in South Orange and then somehow get them up to Nutley? Who in their right mind would sign up for that? Even grad students need housing. The fact that we don't offer that in South Orange is probably hurting our grad programs to some degree.

 

[400SOAVE]

By the time they are going full-tilt there will be a big demand for housing.

The first class will be 125-150 students. By they time they have medical students from all four years, they will number well over 500.

Based on the Marylawn hearings in South Orange, there are 500 students enrolled in the School of Health and Medical Sciences. At the time, SHU's reps said the school was under-enrolled due to lack of space.

Of course, the nursing school is also moving to the site with it's undergraduate and graduate programs. Based on the fact that they just said they had 110 nursing freshman at a white coat ceremony, they must have about 400 undergrads, and about 100-plus? grad students.

So there are probably going to be well over 1,600 students on that campus. The need for housing is clear.

There will, of course, be hundreds of faculty and staff.

All combined, that's a huge need for parking. The more people living on campus, the less parking you need.

As for ratables, first of all, none of these students will have kids using the school system. That is BY FAR the number one cost for all towns in NJ. I'm sure they can come up with a fair PILOT figure. And lets not forget all the money that will be spent locally.

And those towns need to cool it with their demands. Without the medical school, that site could have remained vacant for many years. They need to show some flexibility so this can be a true win-win.

Even now it could take years to fill the site.

SHU just announced that they have the largest out-of-state freshman class in its history. They say they want to attract medical students from around the country.

They need a dorm. It's just so obvious.

 

[400SOAVE]

They should address the need now before they're faced with the same problems that exist in South Orange.

 

[400SOAVE]

BTW, the article states the campus could eventually have as many as 2,500 students. That about the size of a small university. That's more students than the entire enrollment of Drew University.

Have you ever seen traffic on Rt. 3 East in the morning? No student wants to deal with that every day.

Perhaps someone with knowledge can provide insight, but I just cannot understand why they would box themselves into a corner knowing there's a need.

If you have 2,500 students and only one-third are from out-of-state, that more than 800 students who need a place to live.

If only 20 percent are from out of state, that's 500 students who need housing.

 

[TheBluePirate]

400, thanks for providing all sorts of observations and data around the growth of the new school.

 

[seton1996]

By the time they are going full-tilt there will be a big demand for housing.

The first class will be 125-150 students. By they time they have medical students from all four years, they will number well over 500.

Based on the Marylawn hearings in South Orange, there are 500 students enrolled in the School of Health and Medical Sciences. At the time, SHU's reps said the school was under-enrolled due to lack of space.

Of course, the nursing school is also moving to the site with it's undergraduate and graduate programs. Based on the fact that they just said they had 110 nursing freshman at a white coat ceremony, they must have about 400 undergrads, and about 100-plus? grad students.

So there are probably going to be well over 1,600 students on that campus. The need for housing is clear.

There will, of course, be hundreds of faculty and staff.

All combined, that's a huge need for parking. The more people living on campus, the less parking you need.

As for ratables, first of all, none of these students will have kids using the school system. That is BY FAR the number one cost for all towns in NJ. I'm sure they can come up with a fair PILOT figure. And lets not forget all the money that will be spent locally.

And those towns need to cool it with their demands. Without the medical school, that site could have remained vacant for many years. They need to show some flexibility so this can be a true win-win.

Even now it could take years to fill the site.

SHU just announced that they have the largest out-of-state freshman class in its history. They say they want to attract medical students from around the country.

They need a dorm. It's just so obvious.

I do not think they are moving the whole nursing program to the medical school from South Orange. They may be opening an additional nursing program at that site, or a speciality type program, but doubt whole program will be moving. You also have to remember, neither SHU or HUMC owns the property where medical school will be built, so we are at the developer mercy to a point as well. Also, who would want to live in a dorm in the middle of what is an industrial park, along a major highway?

 

[SHUisNJsTeam]

I do not think they are moving the whole nursing program to the medical school from South Orange. They may be opening an additional nursing program at that site, or a speciality type program, but doubt whole program will be moving. You also have to remember, neither SHU or HUMC owns the property where medical school will be built, so we are at the developer mercy to a point as well. Also, who would want to live in a dorm in the middle of what is an industrial park, along a major highway?

Regardless of where the housing would ultimately wind up, right at the Nutley site or nearby, the fact remains that these students will all need places to live. It's hard to believe a school with a national scope would believe that everyone would be commuting from mom and dad's house.

 

[400SOAVE]

1996, visualize what it can be rather than what it now is.

An entire section of the Bronx used to look like this:

http://www.spiritofbaraka.com/sites/www.spiritofbaraka.com/files/images/KoyanisA478.jpg

Now it looks like this:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/gall.../gallery.charlotte_street/images/08_c1999.jpg

It was a scary and dangerous place. Trust me. I covered stories there. It was hard to believe that 10-15 minutes before you were in the glitz of Manhattan.

If you have a medical school and 500-800 people living in a dorm, you've created a community. That's a lot of people spending 2-4 years together attending classes, studying, eating, having parties, engaging in discussions, going on day-trips and developing relationships- personal and professional.

Initially it may be a little bit of an island community, but eventually there will be other companies and, I'm sure, some sort of small retail section in that area. Clifton and Nutley have many restaurants, and other places to socialize.

Moreover, that location is close to everything. NYC-bound buses make stops on Rt. 3, and there will probably be a stop right in front of the campus.

As for not owning that land, remember that everything is negotiable. One side cannot be so inflexible that they will not help the anchor tenant with a critical need.

I've mentioned that I think they should purchase the property. Take advantage of these rock-bottom interest rates. Then you will never have to worry when your lease expires.

Is the difference between a monthly lease payment and a monthly long-term mortgage payment so big that you would not want to own?

Think about this: If the people who are going to buy it can manage the place and make money from it, why can't SHU and Hackensack do the same.

You cut out the middle man and pocket the money.