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Socialism is when the government owns the means of production. This does not exist in this country. We do not have socialism in this country. We have a mixed economy which is necessary to prevent the abuses of pure capitalism.

Let's look at GDP by quarter. Trump promised 5% increase in GDP. Never happened and never got close to it and actually never got reached 3% in a year. If you look at GDP by quarter, you get a better idea how the economy did under Trump, His best quarters for GDP were his third and 4th quarters in 2017. where GDP went over 3%. GDP only reached 3% in two other quarters under Trump and thatwas the 3rd qtr 2019 and 3rd Qtr 2020 the bounce back from Covid. Biden went over 3% 7 quarters. https://www.statista.com/statistics...-from-preceding-period-in-real-gdp-in-the-us/

Only President that GDP was consistently over 3% for 6 out of 7 years was under Clinton. Also over 4% three years in a row.
Looking at this, and taking out the COVID quarters of Q1 2020 through Q2 of 2021, Trump had 3 quarters above 3% and no negative quarters; Biden had 4 quarters above 3% and 2 negative quarters. One of Biden's over 3% GDP quarters was after 2 straight negative GDP quarters.

Not much separating the two on GDP growth.

Now look at inflation, LOL.
 
Looking at this, and taking out the COVID quarters of Q1 2020 through Q2 of 2021, Trump had 3 quarters above 3% and no negative quarters; Biden had 4 quarters above 3% and 2 negative quarters. One of Biden's over 3% GDP quarters was after 2 straight negative GDP quarters.

Not much separating the two on GDP growth.

Now look at inflation, LOL.

First, Trump inherited a fantastic economy and Biden inherited the pandemic.
So inflation was a result of Joe Biden being President. That is what you are saying?

No matter who was President there was going to be inflation due to the money being pumped into the economy due to the pandemic. There has been world wide inflation. Yet you want to blame Joe Biden. lol.

The US has done better on the inflation from than most countries. And Powell has done ana amazing job in controlling and getting inflation down without a recession. Remember Trump saying that there will be a depression like you will never seen? Yet, Trump wants to fire Powell because he is not political and actually has held firm to his mandates at the Fed.
 
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First, Trump inherited a fantastic economy and Biden inherited the pandemic.
So inflation was a result of Joe Biden being President. That is what you are saying?

No matter who was President there was going to be inflation due to the money being pumped into the economy due to the pandemic. There has been world wide inflation. Yet you want to blame Joe Biden. lol.

The US has done better on the inflation from than most countries. And Powell has done ana amazing job in controlling and getting inflation down without a recession. Remember Trump saying that there will be a depression like you will never seen? Yet, Trump wants to fire Powell because he is not political and actually has held firm to his mandates at the Fed.
The economy was fantastic before Trump? The prior 2 quarters were 2.2% and 2%.

If GDP was X, then the pandemic hit and it went down Y, and the government injected Z(=Y) to bring GDP back to X, wouldn't everything be equal?

Government, including Trump, went far overboard with Z though, causing inflation. Biden injected much more of over Y than Trump though.

There were 2 negative quarters (a recession) under Biden, no? Why can't we Audit The Fed though?
 
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The economy was fantastic before Trump? The prior 2 quarters were 2.2% and 2%.

If GDP was X, then the pandemic hit and it went down Y, and the government injected Z(=Y) to bring GDP back to X, wouldn't everything be equal?

Government, including Trump, went far overboard with Z though, causing inflation. Biden injected much more of over Y than Trump though.

There were 2 negative quarters (a recession) under Biden, no? Why can't we Audit The Fed though?


2 negative quarters is not a recession although that is a popular belief. No recession was declared by the NBER due mainly because unemployment levels were at historical lows.

Why do you want to discount Obama's record on GDP by cherry picking. Stop being disingenuous. In 2013, GDP was over 3% for 2 quarters. in 2014, 5.2% and 4.7% in Quarters 2 and 3. First quarter of 2015 GDP was over 3.3%. In 2017, GDP for the year was 2.5%. Unemployment was at historical lows. Trump never had a year over 3%. And if Trump had the best economy off all time like he and his supporters like to say, Obama's economy was actually better and Trump took over that economy. Let's not forget Obama took over an economy from the Great Recession. Obama'a annual GDP was 2010-2.7%, 2011- 1.6%, 2012-2.3%, 2013- 2.1%, 2014- 2.5%, 2015-2.9%, 2016-1.8%
 
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You're right, the price of gas was great for a few months.

I'm not referring to gas prices, I'm referring to your comment that his administration's reaction to COVID was "disastrous." What was disastrous about it?
 

2 negative quarters is not a recession although that is a popular belief. No recession was declared by the NBER due mainly because unemployment levels were at historical lows.

Why do you want to discount Obama's record on GDP by cherry picking. Stop being disingenuous. In 2013, GDP was over 3% for 2 quarters. in 2014, 5.2% and 4.7% in Quarters 2 and 3. First quarter of 2015 GDP was over 3.3%. In 2017, GDP for the year was 2.5%. Unemployment was at historical lows. Trump never had a year over 3%. And if Trump had the best economy off all time like he and his supporters like to say, Obama's economy was actually better and Trump took over that economy. Let's not forget Obama took over an economy from the Great Recession. Obama'a annual GDP was 2010-2.7%, 2011- 1.6%, 2012-2.3%, 2013- 2.1%, 2014- 2.5%, 2015-2.9%, 2016-1.8%
You said Trump inherited a fantastic economy. The last 8 characters of your post (now in bold) say otherwise.
 
I'm not referring to gas prices, I'm referring to your comment that his administration's reaction to COVID was "disastrous." What was disastrous about it?

To be clear, I called it "disastrous mismanagement," because it was. I'm not sure how you read all this and come to a different conclusion.


Some excerpts:

"Trump's early fixation on the country and city where the virus manifested (Wuhan) may well have contributed to his White House's apparent neglect to consider and attempt to head off alternative pathways for the virus to reach the US, for example, via Europe. Trump's “leaky” China travel ban would turn out to be something of a Maginot line that the incoming virus handily circumvented."
"Six weeks later, Trump applied travel restrictions to parts of Europe as well. We now know the virus was already silently spreading in the US, and Trump's poorly designed and implemented orders may have exacerbated the spread by causing legal residents to rush home."

"Even after Trump was persuaded by his experts (Coronavirus Task Force members Dr. Deborah Birx and Dr. Anthony Fauci as well as CDC head Dr. Robert Redfield among others) to take more comprehensive measures and announced his “15 Days to Slow the Spread” campaign (March 16, 2020) and then extended it for another 30 days (March 29, 2020), denial and wishful thinking soon undermined his resolve. Already in April, as cases surged, he started publicly to question the need for his measures, falsely stating that “t is going away” (White House, 2020f) and, in May, he claimed that “with or without a vaccine, it's going to pass, and we're going to be back to normal” (ABC News, 2020)."

"In recognition of this organizational complexity, the Obama Administration built on the Bush‐era plans by creating an NSC “Playbook for Early Response to High‐Consequence Emerging Infectious Disease Threats and Biological Incidents” (Executive Office of the President, 2016), which it passed on to the Trump Administration. The playbook provided a detailed 69‐page guide with clear instructions and procedures to facilitate a smooth all‐of‐government response to a pandemic. The document identified the involved actors, cataloged available resources, and offered a list of specific questions that should be asked and decisions that should be made at multiple levels in the federal government.

The Trump Administration opted to shelve the NSC playbook and, in 2018, shutter NSC's Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense—which created the playbook and previously had the responsibility for supporting the White House's pandemic response (Diamond & Toosi, 2020). The Trump Administration replaced the playbook with its own set of plans centered on the revised 2018 Pandemic Crisis Action Plan (PanCAP) (FEMA, 2021). However, the 2019 HHS's Crimson Contagion influenza pandemic simulation revealed the Trump administration's arrangements to be woefully unprepared for the challenge. HHS found it difficult to serve as the lead federal agency, other federal agencies were confused about who was in charge, federal interagency coordination performed poorly, and participating states were frustrated with processes for securing resources (New York Times, 2019, p. 55). All of these problems played out in real‐time when the Administration was actually faced with responding to the rigors of the COVID‐19 pandemic."

"After China's initial January 2020 announcement, a suite of measures, along the lines outlined in the response playbook, should have been launched. However, even after cases were confirmed in the US and the WHO had declared a global health emergency, the Trump Administration's response was sluggish and largely ad hoc. When it came to the steps recommended in the 2016 playbook—to move quickly to detect outbreaks, take measures to limit the spread of disease, scale‐up logistics to help with the shortfall of critical resources such as personal protective equipment, and coordinate a unified all‐of‐government response—the Trump Administration lagged at every juncture or failed to deliver."

"Early on, Trump and some of his closest aides saw urgent warnings about the coronavirus from figures such as HSS secretary Azar as alarmist (Lipton et al., 2020). In a White House where officials that presented favorable news were rewarded, and those who delivered unwelcome news were shunned or risked punishment, Trump incentivized officials to highlight the rosiest scenarios in briefings (Diamond, 2020). From the start, Trump made it clear that he wanted the coronavirus case numbers to be as low as possible, emphasizing appearances over situational awareness."

"From that point on, throughout the summer, and until election day, Trump would frame the COVID‐19 crisis as a fading problem that was soon going away; blame China for failing to stop the “China virus;” tout false remedies such as hydroxychloroquine; undermine state mitigation measures and encourage protestors by tweeting “Liberate Minnesota,” “Liberate Michigan,” and “Liberate Virginia;” question the need for wearing masks; make strange statements such as suggesting COVID‐19 could be treated by injecting disinfectants; and tell the public and his officials that he wanted testing to be slowed down because more testing would find more cases (Shear et al., 2020c; ABC News, 2020; Rucker & Dawsey, 2020; Woodward, 2021)."

"The framing contests and agenda politics that played out in the White House help illuminate why Trump and his Administration neglected proven methods of fighting a pandemic drawn from lessons that dated back to 1918 about instituting nonpharmaceutical measures and clearly, consistently, and accurately communicating to the public about the necessary measures to fight the pandemic (Barry, 2009)."


"However, despite favorable circumstances—sufficient early warning, substantial capacity, a venerable center for disease control and prevention, vast resources, high‐quality laboratories, and world‐leading scientific expertise—the Trump Administration demonstrated incompetence in responding to and managing the SARS‐CoV‐2 outbreak.

The US, although it represents just 4% of the world's population, accounted for over 20% of all confirmed COVID‐19 cases and deaths worldwide that took place on Trump's watch (Johns Hopkins University, 2022). This outcome was not inevitable. With a timelier, focused, scientifically informed, and sustained whole‐of‐government response, it has been estimated that hundreds of thousands of COVID‐19 deaths could have been avoided
(Redlener et al., 2020; Woolhandler et al., 2021)."
 
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To be clear, I called it "disastrous mismanagement," because it was. I'm not sure how you read all this and come to a different conclusion.


Some excerpts:

"Trump's early fixation on the country and city where the virus manifested (Wuhan) may well have contributed to his White House's apparent neglect to consider and attempt to head off alternative pathways for the virus to reach the US, for example, via Europe. Trump's “leaky” China travel ban would turn out to be something of a Maginot line that the incoming virus handily circumvented."
"Six weeks later, Trump applied travel restrictions to parts of Europe as well. We now know the virus was already silently spreading in the US, and Trump's poorly designed and implemented orders may have exacerbated the spread by causing legal residents to rush home."

"Even after Trump was persuaded by his experts (Coronavirus Task Force members Dr. Deborah Birx and Dr. Anthony Fauci as well as CDC head Dr. Robert Redfield among others) to take more comprehensive measures and announced his “15 Days to Slow the Spread” campaign (March 16, 2020) and then extended it for another 30 days (March 29, 2020), denial and wishful thinking soon undermined his resolve. Already in April, as cases surged, he started publicly to question the need for his measures, falsely stating that “t is going away” (White House, 2020f) and, in May, he claimed that “with or without a vaccine, it's going to pass, and we're going to be back to normal” (ABC News, 2020)."

"In recognition of this organizational complexity, the Obama Administration built on the Bush‐era plans by creating an NSC “Playbook for Early Response to High‐Consequence Emerging Infectious Disease Threats and Biological Incidents” (Executive Office of the President, 2016), which it passed on to the Trump Administration. The playbook provided a detailed 69‐page guide with clear instructions and procedures to facilitate a smooth all‐of‐government response to a pandemic. The document identified the involved actors, cataloged available resources, and offered a list of specific questions that should be asked and decisions that should be made at multiple levels in the federal government.

The Trump Administration opted to shelve the NSC playbook and, in 2018, shutter NSC's Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense—which created the playbook and previously had the responsibility for supporting the White House's pandemic response (Diamond & Toosi, 2020). The Trump Administration replaced the playbook with its own set of plans centered on the revised 2018 Pandemic Crisis Action Plan (PanCAP) (FEMA, 2021). However, the 2019 HHS's Crimson Contagion influenza pandemic simulation revealed the Trump administration's arrangements to be woefully unprepared for the challenge. HHS found it difficult to serve as the lead federal agency, other federal agencies were confused about who was in charge, federal interagency coordination performed poorly, and participating states were frustrated with processes for securing resources (New York Times, 2019, p. 55). All of these problems played out in real‐time when the Administration was actually faced with responding to the rigors of the COVID‐19 pandemic."

"After China's initial January 2020 announcement, a suite of measures, along the lines outlined in the response playbook, should have been launched. However, even after cases were confirmed in the US and the WHO had declared a global health emergency, the Trump Administration's response was sluggish and largely ad hoc. When it came to the steps recommended in the 2016 playbook—to move quickly to detect outbreaks, take measures to limit the spread of disease, scale‐up logistics to help with the shortfall of critical resources such as personal protective equipment, and coordinate a unified all‐of‐government response—the Trump Administration lagged at every juncture or failed to deliver."

"Early on, Trump and some of his closest aides saw urgent warnings about the coronavirus from figures such as HSS secretary Azar as alarmist (Lipton et al., 2020). In a White House where officials that presented favorable news were rewarded, and those who delivered unwelcome news were shunned or risked punishment, Trump incentivized officials to highlight the rosiest scenarios in briefings (Diamond, 2020). From the start, Trump made it clear that he wanted the coronavirus case numbers to be as low as possible, emphasizing appearances over situational awareness."

"From that point on, throughout the summer, and until election day, Trump would frame the COVID‐19 crisis as a fading problem that was soon going away; blame China for failing to stop the “China virus;” tout false remedies such as hydroxychloroquine; undermine state mitigation measures and encourage protestors by tweeting “Liberate Minnesota,” “Liberate Michigan,” and “Liberate Virginia;” question the need for wearing masks; make strange statements such as suggesting COVID‐19 could be treated by injecting disinfectants; and tell the public and his officials that he wanted testing to be slowed down because more testing would find more cases (Shear et al., 2020c; ABC News, 2020; Rucker & Dawsey, 2020; Woodward, 2021)."

"The framing contests and agenda politics that played out in the White House help illuminate why Trump and his Administration neglected proven methods of fighting a pandemic drawn from lessons that dated back to 1918 about instituting nonpharmaceutical measures and clearly, consistently, and accurately communicating to the public about the necessary measures to fight the pandemic (Barry, 2009)."


"However, despite favorable circumstances—sufficient early warning, substantial capacity, a venerable center for disease control and prevention, vast resources, high‐quality laboratories, and world‐leading scientific expertise—the Trump Administration demonstrated incompetence in responding to and managing the SARS‐CoV‐2 outbreak.

The US, although it represents just 4% of the world's population, accounted for over 20% of all confirmed COVID‐19 cases and deaths worldwide that took place on Trump's watch (Johns Hopkins University, 2022). This outcome was not inevitable. With a timelier, focused, scientifically informed, and sustained whole‐of‐government response, it has been estimated that hundreds of thousands of COVID‐19 deaths could have been avoided
(Redlener et al., 2020; Woolhandler et al., 2021)."
it would have been better if people just bleached their insides!
 
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To be clear, I called it "disastrous mismanagement," because it was. I'm not sure how you read all this and come to a different conclusion.


Some excerpts:

"Trump's early fixation on the country and city where the virus manifested (Wuhan) may well have contributed to his White House's apparent neglect to consider and attempt to head off alternative pathways for the virus to reach the US, for example, via Europe. Trump's “leaky” China travel ban would turn out to be something of a Maginot line that the incoming virus handily circumvented."
"Six weeks later, Trump applied travel restrictions to parts of Europe as well. We now know the virus was already silently spreading in the US, and Trump's poorly designed and implemented orders may have exacerbated the spread by causing legal residents to rush home."

"Even after Trump was persuaded by his experts (Coronavirus Task Force members Dr. Deborah Birx and Dr. Anthony Fauci as well as CDC head Dr. Robert Redfield among others) to take more comprehensive measures and announced his “15 Days to Slow the Spread” campaign (March 16, 2020) and then extended it for another 30 days (March 29, 2020), denial and wishful thinking soon undermined his resolve. Already in April, as cases surged, he started publicly to question the need for his measures, falsely stating that “t is going away” (White House, 2020f) and, in May, he claimed that “with or without a vaccine, it's going to pass, and we're going to be back to normal” (ABC News, 2020)."

"In recognition of this organizational complexity, the Obama Administration built on the Bush‐era plans by creating an NSC “Playbook for Early Response to High‐Consequence Emerging Infectious Disease Threats and Biological Incidents” (Executive Office of the President, 2016), which it passed on to the Trump Administration. The playbook provided a detailed 69‐page guide with clear instructions and procedures to facilitate a smooth all‐of‐government response to a pandemic. The document identified the involved actors, cataloged available resources, and offered a list of specific questions that should be asked and decisions that should be made at multiple levels in the federal government.

The Trump Administration opted to shelve the NSC playbook and, in 2018, shutter NSC's Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense—which created the playbook and previously had the responsibility for supporting the White House's pandemic response (Diamond & Toosi, 2020). The Trump Administration replaced the playbook with its own set of plans centered on the revised 2018 Pandemic Crisis Action Plan (PanCAP) (FEMA, 2021). However, the 2019 HHS's Crimson Contagion influenza pandemic simulation revealed the Trump administration's arrangements to be woefully unprepared for the challenge. HHS found it difficult to serve as the lead federal agency, other federal agencies were confused about who was in charge, federal interagency coordination performed poorly, and participating states were frustrated with processes for securing resources (New York Times, 2019, p. 55). All of these problems played out in real‐time when the Administration was actually faced with responding to the rigors of the COVID‐19 pandemic."

"After China's initial January 2020 announcement, a suite of measures, along the lines outlined in the response playbook, should have been launched. However, even after cases were confirmed in the US and the WHO had declared a global health emergency, the Trump Administration's response was sluggish and largely ad hoc. When it came to the steps recommended in the 2016 playbook—to move quickly to detect outbreaks, take measures to limit the spread of disease, scale‐up logistics to help with the shortfall of critical resources such as personal protective equipment, and coordinate a unified all‐of‐government response—the Trump Administration lagged at every juncture or failed to deliver."

"Early on, Trump and some of his closest aides saw urgent warnings about the coronavirus from figures such as HSS secretary Azar as alarmist (Lipton et al., 2020). In a White House where officials that presented favorable news were rewarded, and those who delivered unwelcome news were shunned or risked punishment, Trump incentivized officials to highlight the rosiest scenarios in briefings (Diamond, 2020). From the start, Trump made it clear that he wanted the coronavirus case numbers to be as low as possible, emphasizing appearances over situational awareness."

"From that point on, throughout the summer, and until election day, Trump would frame the COVID‐19 crisis as a fading problem that was soon going away; blame China for failing to stop the “China virus;” tout false remedies such as hydroxychloroquine; undermine state mitigation measures and encourage protestors by tweeting “Liberate Minnesota,” “Liberate Michigan,” and “Liberate Virginia;” question the need for wearing masks; make strange statements such as suggesting COVID‐19 could be treated by injecting disinfectants; and tell the public and his officials that he wanted testing to be slowed down because more testing would find more cases (Shear et al., 2020c; ABC News, 2020; Rucker & Dawsey, 2020; Woodward, 2021)."

"The framing contests and agenda politics that played out in the White House help illuminate why Trump and his Administration neglected proven methods of fighting a pandemic drawn from lessons that dated back to 1918 about instituting nonpharmaceutical measures and clearly, consistently, and accurately communicating to the public about the necessary measures to fight the pandemic (Barry, 2009)."


"However, despite favorable circumstances—sufficient early warning, substantial capacity, a venerable center for disease control and prevention, vast resources, high‐quality laboratories, and world‐leading scientific expertise—the Trump Administration demonstrated incompetence in responding to and managing the SARS‐CoV‐2 outbreak.

The US, although it represents just 4% of the world's population, accounted for over 20% of all confirmed COVID‐19 cases and deaths worldwide that took place on Trump's watch (Johns Hopkins University, 2022). This outcome was not inevitable. With a timelier, focused, scientifically informed, and sustained whole‐of‐government response, it has been estimated that hundreds of thousands of COVID‐19 deaths could have been avoided
(Redlener et al., 2020; Woolhandler et al., 2021)."

You can't stop the spread of a highly contagious virus. There was no need to shut down the economy - worst decision of his presidency. If anything, Trump overreacted to the COVID virus. All that time period led to was more division and exercises of once unfathomable authoritarianism in America. That's more scary than any virus, yet we the people let it happen.
 
You can't stop the spread of a highly contagious virus. There was no need to shut down the economy - worst decision of his presidency. If anything, Trump overreacted to the COVID virus. All that time period led to was more division and exercises of once unfathomable authoritarianism in America. That's more scary than any virus, yet we the people let it happen.
Does anybody credible actually believe this? Any public health experts out there signing onto the "Let it rip through our population" argument?

"Exercises of once unfathomable authoritarianism in America." Talking about shelter in place and mask mandates. Do you know how ridiculous you sound to the average person?
 
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You said Trump inherited a fantastic economy. The last 8 characters of your post (now in bold) say otherwise.
Well, if Trump had a great economy, Obama had a better one. Would you prefer another adjective?
 
I am talking about a typical Trump press conference,unscripted meaning you call on someone who raises their hand like Trump did yesterday for one hour and he took three dozen questions.I will start guessing by picking never.
That’s a BS straw man. Crime is under reported amongst illegal alien populations. And if you don’t arrest and prosecute, how do you know? More difficult to find them in the community. Any LEO would laugh in your face.
 
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Well, if Trump had a great economy, Obama had a better one. Would you prefer another adjective?
No, just that you not lie that he inherited a "fantastic" economy. It was a normal economy.

Nobody ever had a worse recovery after a recession than Obama.
 
That’s a BS straw man. Crime is under reported amongst illegal alien populations. And if you don’t arrest and prosecute, how do you know? More difficult to find them in the community. Any LEO would laugh in your face.
How is it a straw man? You're making a claim about the prevalence of immigrant crime, and I sent you a link that shows that studies done over the years refute your claim.

Do you have proof to support your additional claim that crime is underreported amongst "illegal alien populations?"
 
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How is it a straw man? You're making a claim about the prevalence of immigrant crime, and I sent you a link that shows that studies done over the years refute your claim.

Do you have proof to support your additional claim that crime is underreported amongst "illegal alien populations?"
I think the NYPD knows what they are talking about. All of those “studies” don’t take into account factors that I stated.
 
You can't stop the spread of a highly contagious virus. There was no need to shut down the economy - worst decision of his presidency. If anything, Trump overreacted to the COVID virus. All that time period led to was more division and exercises of once unfathomable authoritarianism in America. That's more scary than any virus, yet we the people let it happen.
Agree worst decision of his Presidency, I think he was pressured by the left wing and listen.
 
No, just that you not lie that he inherited a "fantastic" economy. It was a normal economy.

Nobody ever had a worse recovery after a recession than Obama.
So if Obama had a normal economy, then Trump had something below average of an economy. However, you want to term the adjective, Trump’s economy was worse than Obama. Also worse than Biden’s.

Oh yeah. What about inflation? Which brings us to the original topic. There was always going to be inflation. Yet, somehow someway despite you and many other posters and Trump who said we would go into a recession or depression, was false. The economy has arrived at a soft landing of controlling inflation now sub 3% without high unemployment and a recession. That’s a great result. Yet, Trump wants to fire Powell who pulled this off. Yeah. So he wants to get rid of a very good Fed chairman, he told Republicans not to back an immigration bill, yet he is good for the country. No. Trump is only good for himself.
 
kamala going to address price gouging. no idea how but the fact its even on the radar puts her ahead of trump, whose current focus is tweeting out an AI video of him and elon dancing....
 
So if Obama had a normal economy, then Trump had something below average of an economy. However, you want to term the adjective, Trump’s economy was worse than Obama. Also worse than Biden’s.

Oh yeah. What about inflation? Which brings us to the original topic. There was always going to be inflation. Yet, somehow someway despite you and many other posters and Trump who said we would go into a recession or depression, was false. The economy has arrived at a soft landing of controlling inflation now sub 3% without high unemployment and a recession. That’s a great result. Yet, Trump wants to fire Powell who pulled this off. Yeah. So he wants to get rid of a very good Fed chairman, he told Republicans not to back an immigration bill, yet he is good for the country. No. Trump is only good for himself.
Changing the goalposts again, I see.

An immigration bill that was more about Ukraine and Israel?

The Inflation Reduction Act that increased inflation?

I never said Trump was good, just that he is better than Biden/Harris.
 
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kamala going to address price gouging. no idea how but the fact its even on the radar puts her ahead of trump, whose current focus is tweeting out an AI video of him and elon dancing....
Price gouging is such a stupid term, there is no price gouging, it's a rationalization out of the Warren playbook to cover up their massive spending that finally broke the inflation camel's back.

What this really is is price controls, which are devastating.
 
Price gouging is such a stupid term, there is no price gouging, it's a rationalization out of the Warren playbook to cover up their massive spending that finally broke the inflation camel's back.

What this really is is price controls, which are devastating.
Large corporations used increasing inflation post-covid as justification to jack up prices. But they raised prices more than necessary, accelerating inflation while they raked in record profits. Then they dumped a lot of their profits into share repurchases, further accelerating inflation by share price manipulation. Consider the Tyson example below:

"Tyson Foods more than doubled profit margins between 2021 and 2022 after hiking prices for beef, pork, and chicken by upwards of 30 percent. The company — which is currently being investigated by the federal government for child labor violations and paid $10.5 million to settle allegations of price fixing in Washington state — claims it raised prices because it needed to offset increased costs in labor, transportation, and grain for animal feed.

But data from earnings reports, reported first by More Perfect Union, paints a different picture: While increased operation costs set the company back $1.5 billion dollars in 2022, price increases expanded profits by $2 billion, meaning consumers covered Tyson’s inflation costs plus shelled out $500 million more. That year, Tyson repurchased $702 million of its own shares and raised dividends by 4 percent."

 
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Large corporations used increasing inflation post-covid as justification to jack up prices. But they raised prices more than necessary, accelerating inflation while they raked in record profits. Then they dumped a lot of their profits into share repurchases, further accelerating inflation by share price manipulation. Consider the Tyson example below:

"Tyson Foods more than doubled profit margins between 2021 and 2022 after hiking prices for beef, pork, and chicken by upwards of 30 percent. The company — which is currently being investigated by the federal government for child labor violations and paid $10.5 million to settle allegations of price fixing in Washington state — claims it raised prices because it needed to offset increased costs in labor, transportation, and grain for animal feed.

But data from earnings reports, reported first by More Perfect Union, paints a different picture: While increased operation costs set the company back $1.5 billion dollars in 2022, price increases expanded profits by $2 billion, meaning consumers covered Tyson’s inflation costs plus shelled out $500 million more. That year, Tyson repurchased $702 million of its own shares and raised dividends by 4 percent."

A completely partisan Bernie Sanders-inspired website, LOL. Now we know exactly where you are coming from.

Tyson Foods (in millions from their 10-K Filing of 2022):
2021 Net Sales = $47,049
2021 Gross Profit = $6,526
2021 Gross Profit % = 13.87%
2021 Net Income = $3,060
2021 Net Income % = 6.50%

2021 Net Sales = $53,282
2021 Gross Profit = $6,668
2021 Gross Profit % = 12.51%
2021 Net Income = $3,249
2021 Net Income % = 6.10%

Profit margjns fell in 2022 from 2021.

Leave it to a marxist/communist site to not do a good analysis.
 
An immigration bill that was more about Ukraine and Israel?

The Inflation Reduction Act that increased inflation?

I never said Trump was good, just that he is better than Biden/Harris.
Lol even though the bill was great for the country, you didn’t like it because it was horse trading for UKraine. Biden got the funding for Ukraine without it anyway. Now we still don’t have an immigration bill. It’s an issue that is at the top of your concerns. Yet you excuse Trump for not doing the right thing for the country.

And, to your last point. We are back at it. You did not vote for Trump in 2020. Yet, after that election we saw the worst of Trump. And here you now are supporting him. Its funny.

Write in a name.
But in the end, you are really someone who has always defended Trump. Even though you claim that you never voted for him in the past and after Jan 6, you would never vote for him in the future, yet, here you are. Voting for Trump.
 
Lol even though the bill was great for the country, you didn’t like it because it was horse trading for UKraine. Biden got the funding for Ukraine without it anyway. Now we still don’t have an immigration bill. It’s an issue that is at the top of your concerns. Yet you excuse Trump for not doing the right thing for the country.

And, to your last point. We are back at it. You did not vote for Trump in 2020. Yet, after that election we saw the worst of Trump. And here you now are supporting him. Its funny.

Write in a name.
But in the end, you are really someone who has always defended Trump. Even though you claim that you never voted for him in the past and after Jan 6, you would never vote for him in the future, yet, here you are. Voting for Trump.
Trump wasn't good after the 2020 election but you still feel the statement "peacefully and patriotically protest" was a call to violence.

After the last 3 1/2 years, with how bad Biden/Harris are, Trump, again even with all his warts and baggage, is my/our best choice.

And you have trashed Harris repeatedly here but now you are voting for her.

You also bashed Haley and said it was because she was voting for Trump but you bashed her WAY before she was a Trump supporter.
 
Price gouging is such a stupid term, there is no price gouging, it's a rationalization out of the Warren playbook to cover up their massive spending that finally broke the inflation camel's back.

What this really is is price controls, which are devastating.
it just means address all the companies that are artificially raising their prices citing inflation, supply chain, etc.

the term is just semantic. the issue is real. id rather see someone attempt to address it than clown around.
 
Trump wasn't good after the 2020 election but you still feel the statement "peacefully and patriotically protest" was a call to violence.

After the last 3 1/2 years, with how bad Biden/Harris are, Trump, again even with all his warts and baggage, is my/our best choice.

And you have trashed Harris repeatedly here but now you are voting for her.

You also bashed Haley and said it was because she was voting for Trump but you bashed her WAY before she was a Trump supporter.
You want to pick out three words of the entire speech to excuse his incitement? Looking at the whole of the speech it is certainly was a call to violence. You want those three words to excuse doing nothing as the insurrectionists looking for Pelosi and to hang Mike Pence?

I have trashed Harris. She has not been good as VP. I am disappointed that the Dems did not pick someone better. However, I am confident that she will uphold our loyalty to NATO and our allies, not give into Putin, not start an insurrection at our Capitol, not try to steal an election and not place our country in constituional crisis. In my opinion, the two worst candidates of all time. But, our country can survive Harris. It may not survive another Trump Term.
 
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Does anybody credible actually believe this? Any public health experts out there signing onto the "Let it rip through our population" argument?

"Exercises of once unfathomable authoritarianism in America." Talking about shelter in place and mask mandates. Do you know how ridiculous you sound to the average person?

"Public health," LOL!!!

America was like a totalitarian country in 2020 and into 2021. That is NOT okay. To this day, I still can't believe we let it happen. But then again, we have people like you with these bonkers thoughts who populate our country.

Yes, no American citizen should EVER be confined to their homes. No American citizen should be forced to wear a mask. No American citizen should be forced to take a vaccine against their will or lose their job. No American citizen should be told their job isn't "essential."

Crazy people like you think "shelter in place" is a normal thing in a supposedly free society. Got news for you, it isn't. You've proven time and time again on these boards to be a terrorist sympathizer, so I'm not surprised this is your world view. You like it when the heavy hand of government tells people what to do and you enjoy other people suffering. I'm on the side of freedom, and will always be.
 
"Public health," LOL!!!

America was like a totalitarian country in 2020 and into 2021. That is NOT okay. To this day, I still can't believe we let it happen. But then again, we have people like you with these bonkers thoughts who populate our country.

Yes, no American citizen should EVER be confined to their homes. No American citizen should be forced to wear a mask. No American citizen should be forced to take a vaccine against their will or lose their job. No American citizen should be told their job isn't "essential."

Crazy people like you think "shelter in place" is a normal thing in a supposedly free society. Got news for you, it isn't. You've proven time and time again on these boards to be a terrorist sympathizer, so I'm not surprised this is your world view. You like it when the heavy hand of government tells people what to do and you enjoy other people suffering. I'm on the side of freedom, and will always be.
You have been wrong on CoVid the entire time it was happening. You thought it would kill a few thousand no more. You thinkn being told to wear a mask is losing your freedom. You are out of your mind. What you advocate is actually anarchy in the name of freedom. Vaccine mandates have been going since small pox in the early 1900's and approved by the Supreme Court.

In a brand new virus that was killing millions of people around the globe, you think your freedoms were curtailed for a month or two with shelter in place and wearing a mask. What a baby!!

You know what is losing your freedoms, when the US rounded up Japanese American and put them in internment camps. That’s losing your freedom. So stop your whiny behavior of my freedom is being taken away cause I need to wear a mask. Ridiculous.
 
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these guys were saying covid mandates would soon turn into 1984 and were all wrong.
 
these guys were saying covid mandates would soon turn into 1984 and were all wrong.
No, you see, it just hasn't happened yet. It's a slippery slope.

It's 2037 and the Chelsea Clinton regime has condemned you to death. As you're led to the gallows, you'll look back on the past and whisper to yourself, This all started when they told me to wear a cloth mask when I went out in public.
 
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No, you see, it just hasn't happened yet. It's a slippery slope.

It's 2037 and the Chelsea Clinton regime has condemned you to death. As you're led to the gallows, you'll look back on the past and whisper to yourself, This all started when they told me to wear a cloth mask when I went out in public.
are you thinking this is before or after the currency is switched to digital coins?
 
"Public health," LOL!!!

America was like a totalitarian country in 2020 and into 2021. That is NOT okay. To this day, I still can't believe we let it happen. But then again, we have people like you with these bonkers thoughts who populate our country.

Yes, no American citizen should EVER be confined to their homes. No American citizen should be forced to wear a mask. No American citizen should be forced to take a vaccine against their will or lose their job. No American citizen should be told their job isn't "essential."

Crazy people like you think "shelter in place" is a normal thing in a supposedly free society. Got news for you, it isn't. You've proven time and time again on these boards to be a terrorist sympathizer, so I'm not surprised this is your world view. You like it when the heavy hand of government tells people what to do and you enjoy other people suffering. I'm on the side of freedom, and will always be.
Sorry, who is a terrorist sympathizer?

 
these guys were saying covid mandates would soon turn into 1984 and were all wrong.

COVID was just a test run. They found that people largely accepted it (just look at the dopes on this thread who still defend it), and they will try again using some other scam as the excuse.

But really, it all started after 9/11. That was the first event they used to take rights away and expand the government's power over you. It has been a steady erosion ever since, including COVID.
 
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