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[SHUSA]

Back to that question, I don’t think Trump has a plan other than trying to undo Obamacare. Maybe he has learned that it is not easy or that it is politically toxic to push any plan forward and it's much easier to just say what we have is bad.

Does it get worse without the ACA? In most cases I would say yes, and in some cases no.
I think ensuring that we cover pre-existing conditions was incredibly important for example, but the only way we can pay for that and ensure people don't abuse that system and only get coverage when they get sick, we needed the mandate. Allowing parents to keep providing insurance for their children up until age 26 was also no-brainer.

Where the ACA was successful was if you did not qualify for Medicaid and qualified for an ACA subsidy and needed insurance. We never really got to a point where the ACA was fully implemented as it was designed though since the mandate was removed.

In my opinion, allowing a public option by opening up Medicare to younger people makes so much sense at this point. (another reason I supported Buttigieg early on) It will fix most of (not all) of the problems with the current ACA offerings.

i thought medicare was open to young people and medicaid was for seniors?

 

[SHUSA]

I'm glad he didn''t have any serious health issues, but that's where the difference is (see my earlier email). Comparing a doctors visit between countries is immaterial.

Re: Whole Foods and Aldi, I don't think your are getting the analogy. Check on how many Americans cross the border to Canada to get any major treatment or surgery and then check how many Canadians come to the U.S. for similar procedures.

ah thats a good point, even removing plastic surgery (which im sure makes up a ton of it haha)

this is a hard subject because opinion sways entirely to what the individual needs. its tough to think about what is best for the greater good.

this board has been very informational last few days. i feel like if piratecrew had a show the country would actually learn things.

 

[SHUSA]

Back to that question, I don’t think Trump has a plan other than trying to undo Obamacare. Maybe he has learned that it is not easy or that it is politically toxic to push any plan forward and it's much easier to just say what we have is bad.

Does it get worse without the ACA? In most cases I would say yes, and in some cases no.
I think ensuring that we cover pre-existing conditions was incredibly important for example, but the only way we can pay for that and ensure people don't abuse that system and only get coverage when they get sick, we needed the mandate. Allowing parents to keep providing insurance for their children up until age 26 was also no-brainer.

Where the ACA was successful was if you did not qualify for Medicaid and qualified for an ACA subsidy and needed insurance. We never really got to a point where the ACA was fully implemented as it was designed though since the mandate was removed.

In my opinion, allowing a public option by opening up Medicare to younger people makes so much sense at this point. (another reason I supported Buttigieg early on) It will fix most of (not all) of the problems with the current ACA offerings.

but since trump has no plan and has never even hinted at one we are now in a position to gamble. obamacare has issues but is it better than removing it entirely with no plan? are people not going to get any subsidies and be left out to dry? that seems bad.

 

[Merge]

i thought medicare was open to young people and medicaid was for seniors?

65+ for Medicare
Medicaid is for people with very little income.

 

[HALL85]

ah thats a good point, even removing plastic surgery (which im sure makes up a ton of it haha)

this is a hard subject because opinion sways entirely to what the individual needs. its tough to think about what is best for the greater good.

this board has been very informational last few days. i feel like if piratecrew had a show the country would actually learn things.

Plastic surgery is actually a huge offshore business because people are so vain but don't want to pay for a quality procedure (and end up putting their life in jeopardy). For the life of me, I don't get it, but that's another topic.

You are right...it is a hard subject and too many people are looking for an easy fix. The ACA isn't anywhere near doing what they thought it would; in fact, much of the law was never even executed (like how to pay for some of it) because politicians all caved.

We have the best healthcare system in the world, but it's also the most expensive and we as consumers expect everything to be covered no matter what. And the consumer has no skin in the game because they are set up to choose what their employer offers and have no knowledge of the cost of care they receive. The system definitely in need of change, but you have politicians with no spines and people that have a lot invested that are not going to give up without a fight. The ACA was supposed to punish insurance companies, but look at their (record) earnings over the past 8-10 years. Who won?

 

[SHUSA]

65+ for Medicare
Medicaid is for people with very little income.

ah got it backwards.

 

[SHUSA]

Plastic surgery is actually a huge offshore business because people are so vain but don't want to pay for a quality procedure (and end up putting their life in jeopardy). For the life of me, I don't get it, but that's another topic.

You are right...it is a hard subject and too many people are looking for an easy fix. The ACA isn't anywhere near doing what they thought it would; in fact, much of the law was never even executed (like how to pay for some of it) because politicians all caved.

We have the best healthcare system in the world, but it's also the most expensive and we as consumers expect everything to be covered no matter what. And the consumer has no skin in the game because they are set up to choose what their employer offers and have no knowledge of the cost of care they receive. The system definitely in need of change, but you have politicians with no spines and people that have a lot invested that are not going to give up without a fight. The ACA was supposed to punish insurance companies, but look at their (record) earnings over the past 8-10 years. Who won?

knowing that politicians cave, big heads using connections, power, and money to fight any change ect... perhaps socialized healthcare is better for the greater good? in a perfect world it wouldnt be, but any change you suggest is proven to be fought against tooth and nail. it will never pan out. if we cant punish insurance companies then do away with them?

 

[HALL85]

knowing that politicians cave, big heads using connections, power, and money to fight any change ect... perhaps socialized healthcare is better for the greater good? in a perfect world it wouldnt be, but any change you suggest is proven to be fought against tooth and nail. it will never pan out. if we cant punish insurance companies then do away with them?

You don’t think all of those stakeholders ...and most of the public....would fight socialized medicine even more?

 

[SHUSA]

You don’t think all of those stakeholders ...and most of the public....would fight socialized medicine even more?

somethings gotta give

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

knowing that politicians cave, big heads using connections, power, and money to fight any change ect... perhaps socialized healthcare is better for the greater good? in a perfect world it wouldnt be, but any change you suggest is proven to be fought against tooth and nail. it will never pan out. if we cant punish insurance companies then do away with them?

Question is your definition of greater good. Getting around 25 million people who don't have healthcare coverage or getting 200 million people who have coverage better coverage. Socialized medicine won't help the 200 million, but will help the 25 million. I'll guess there is a large number of people with bare coverage this will have little impact on. Definition of greater good becomes important.

 

[SHUSA]

Question is your definition of greater good. Getting around 25 million people who don't have healthcare coverage or getting 200 million people who have coverage better coverage. Socialized medicine won't help the 200 million, but will help the 25 million. I'll guess there is a large number of people with bare coverage this will have little impact on. Definition of greater good becomes important.

well i think everyone should have access to healthcare. 12.5% of people not having healthcare is a lot considering were talking about health. if were talking about access to cable, who cares.

 

[HALL85]

well i think everyone should have access to healthcare. 12.5% of people not having healthcare is a lot considering were talking about health. if were talking about access to cable, who cares.

There are about 27 million w/o healthcare coverage. A third are not eligible because they are here illegally. A third are eligible but choose not to participate in either Medicaid or the Exchange. So blowing up the whole system for 9 million people (3% of the population doesn’t seem like a good idea).

 

[SHUSA]

There are about 27 million w/o healthcare coverage. A third are not eligible because they are here illegally. A third are eligible but choose not to participate in either Medicaid or the Exchange. So blowing up the whole system for 9 million people (3% of the population doesn’t seem like a good idea).

i wonder why they choose not to participate. id guess because its insanely confusing and difficult to understand. it really is. lets at that third back. its about 8%. is that a lot or a little when talking about health?

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

well i think everyone should have access to healthcare. 12.5% of people not having healthcare is a lot considering were talking about health. if were talking about access to cable, who cares.

I'll use your analogy of cable. What's the point of having it, if it's not what you need. If a customer only gets cable to watch SHU games, they give him cable but the package doesn't have FS1, what's the point of having it. So we could lower a stat? To me that's the wrong reason to give someone something.

Are we just happy to say everyone has health coverage or would we prefer people have coverage that fits their needs and budget. For you maybe it's that everyone has coverage. For me, I'd rather see my parents, and the tens of millions like them, pay for coverage that fits their needs.

 

[HALL85]

i wonder why they choose not to participate. id guess because its insanely confusing and difficult to understand. it really is. lets at that third back. its about 8%. is that a lot or a little when talking about health?

It’s human nature. There is always going to be a small percentage of the population that is not going to join anything unless they are forced to. Why would you give illegal aliens access to the same healthcare that US citizens have?

 

[Hallsome]

i thought medicare was open to young people and medicaid was for seniors?

Medicaid for poor people
Medicare for elderly

excuse the use of “poor” which word I don’t like but trying to answer quickly for u

 

[Hallsome]

well i think everyone should have access to healthcare. 12.5% of people not having healthcare is a lot considering were talking about health. if were talking about access to cable, who cares.

Everyone has access to healthcare. You’re talking about health insurance or free healthcare

 

[SHUSA]

I'll use your analogy of cable. What's the point of having it, if it's not what you need. If a customer only gets cable to watch SHU games, they give him cable but the package doesn't have FS1, what's the point of having it. So we could lower a stat? To me that's the wrong reason to give someone something.

Are we just happy to say everyone has health coverage or would we prefer people have coverage that fits their needs and budget. For you maybe it's that everyone has coverage. For me, I'd rather see my parents, and the tens of millions like them, pay for coverage that fits their needs.

well yes the ideal would be everyone gets coverage that is worthwhile for them. not some fugazi preventative only plan.

 

[SHUSA]

It’s human nature. There is always going to be a small percentage of the population that is not going to join anything unless they are forced to. Why would you give illegal aliens access to the same healthcare that US citizens have?

i wouldnt give anyone illegal healthcare. but wouldnt it be pretty easy to weed them out? just have a social security #. reserve it for citizens. so that 12% becomes 8%

 

[SHUSA]

Everyone has access to healthcare. You’re talking about health insurance or free healthcare

affordable healthcare like a % income type thing. i wouldnt say you have access to healthcare if you need a $20k colonoscopy. sure you they wont turn you away but you really dont have access to it.

im not advocating for it. im honestly trying to understand the pros and cons of each and the likelihood of either being accomplished.

 

[HALL85]

If we are going to talk about affordable healthcare you really need to also look at the cost of providing care in this country. For instance, healthcare professionals are some of the higher earning professions. You’re getting the best and brightest to go into those professions. In a healthcare system there are roughly five employees for every bed. Labor is just one example. Insurance is how you pay for it. It has very little impact on what the true costs are.