Nice side-step. Not equating the two and you knew that. Re-read my post and come back once you get that.
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I didn't realize it was poor areas that have the corner on that. You typically see long lines in some precincts in NYC...NYC doesn't have the money? Funding should be easy...disperse budget by number of registered voters.
How do you measure "when everyone gets one"? Why not give everyone a year to get one and make them mandatory at that next election.
Something like that will be a massive undertaking. I don't mind if we do it, but I'd rather we make sure we do it right before we establish an arbitrary timeline risking disenfranchisement of certain groups.
I disagree with this. Once you have served your time and are off probation, you should be eligible to vote.
I also believe if you don't vote for a period of say 3 years, you become ineligible to vote for that same period of time.
I also believe in photo ID to vote. You need a photo ID to pretty much exist in the world today. Can't get treated for COVID, can't buy cigarettes, can't buy alcohol, can't travel, etc. without one.
If we can’t manufacture an ID card in a year, what hope is there to produce a COVID vaccine and administer in a year
I view it as a deterrent, although I suspect most felons don't care about their right to vote to begin with.
I disagree with your second line. All eligible people should be able to vote. Whether they choose to or not is their own decision. Rights are rights and shouldn't be taken away because someone decided not to exercise them for some arbitrary time period.
Photo ID to vote is a no-brainer. I'm disappointed we don't have it. Would put a big dent in voter fraud.
We can manufacture anything we want.
You need a public awareness campaign to make sure people understand this is coming, then you need people to develop the national ID system, then you need to create the voting systems that accommodate the ID's, then you need people to fill out applications, Then you need people to process the applications, then you need people to resolve any issues noted, then you need to distribute the ID's etc etc etc... and I am over simplifying.
Not sure what any of that has to do with a vaccine though. Very unrelated analogies today.
So people who only vote for president in general elections don't get to vote next time? That's an odd one.
You don't believe there is voter fraud and database/registration errors? Wow, so naive. When has anything involving millions of people run by the government had top notch, accurate records? Look at the recent stimulus payments. Some people got duplicate payments. Some were sent to the wrong addresses. Deceased people received payments.
So a year to do that seems reasonable. Would not be exactly splitting the atom. How long do you think it would take? Seems like it would be a lot easier than ACA enrollment.
Fraud and error are different things.
I do believe there is voter fraud, though I also believe occurrences of voter fraud would be extraordinarily minuscule compared to the number of votes cast and would not impact any race.
I don't believe an ID would create anything other than a false sense of security and there would still exist a level of voter fraud and not materially different than it is today.
Do chipped credit cards create a false sense of security? Otherwise we could just trust people to pay us back....
ACA enrollment had many errors, and that was tens of millions of people and not hundreds of millions of people.
I don't know how ling it will take.
It takes how long it takes. Setting a date prior to making sure it works doesn't make much sense.
Make sure it works, make sure no one is disenfranchised, then establish a date.
It's a card; not a health plan that requires choices, evaluations, etc. Even if it took two years, it would be a no-brainer. We seem to be able to issue drivers licenses and renew them every few years....not rocket science.
Right. It’s better than not having it for sure but does prevent fraud. A similar cost benefit analysis for voter ID would show it’s not really worth the effort.
In the case of voter ID, it won’t prevent fraud. It will make it more difficult for sure but it’s kind of like adding the club car lock to your car in an area without auto theft. Sure, it makes it harder to steal your car, but I bet you don’t use one.
Voter ID solves a hypothetical problem. Not a real one.
Nice pretzel you just twisted yourself into. Exactly how would you vote without a card?
As I do now?
You want an extra feel good step to solve a hypothetical problem.
Let’s be clear that the politicians who support that idea want to do so not because of hypothetical voter fraud but because they believe voters who would be less likely to take the extra steps to get a voter ID card would be more likely to vote for democrats.
You don’t seem to understand my posts. My question was if we all were required to have voting cards to vote, how would you vote without one? How would fraud occur?
and let’s forget about politicians. We need a license to drive. Why not a voter card to vote?
Don't know. It's not a real thing yet.
Potentially, you could lose your wallet and someone could use your card. Someone could forge a card... Who knows but any system can be beat.
And yes, operating an automobile requires a basic understanding of how to drive. You get a license when you can prove that you are somewhat capable of driving. Not the same with voting.
Again, am I fine with creating new rules to prevent the hypothetical issue...but only after we know the new rules will not disenfranchise voters.
Fingerprint scanner, similar to Gobal Entry.
(Yeah I know we'll have to sanitize the readers after every scan.)
if someone shows up carrying someone else's severed hand trying to game the system I think the people at the polling centers could pick up on that.
(Yeah I know we'll have to sanitize the readers after every scan.)
if someone shows up carrying someone else's severed hand trying to game the system I think the people at the polling centers could pick up on that.
why do you think we don’t require fingerprint scanners with credit card transactions? Or even a pin code?
Can’t effectively discuss potential fraud for a system that doesn’t exist, but I will guarantee you that voting will not include scanning your fingerprint if we ever get to the point of having voter ID.
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