https://www.inquirer.com/news/damag...r-a-night-of-protests-and-riots-20200531.htmlNothing like several new pairs of Nike’s to soothe the “hurt” of a knife wielding criminal getting shot.
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My wife told my next door neighbor who is a detective not to arrest a black person commiting a crime
that was not violent.Although I don’t agree with her viewpoint I wonder if other women are getting increasingly afraid that violent protests will come to their community.One of my sons just applied for a gun permit out of concern for protecting
his four children.We better get a handle on the anti police rhetoric and the no bail crap or we will face increasingly violent times ahead.
that was not violent.Although I don’t agree with her viewpoint I wonder if other women are getting increasingly afraid that violent protests will come to their community.One of my sons just applied for a gun permit out of concern for protecting
his four children.We better get a handle on the anti police rhetoric and the no bail crap or we will face increasingly violent times ahead.
its insane how this isnt a gigantic, stop the press issue! low lives are ruining businesses en mass. committing crimes. stealing items all because of a police case? how is that an appropriate reaction? how is it anything other than a completely heinous reaction? completely opposite justification.
it has nothing to do with the actual incident. nothing! how is anyone ok with this its completely erroneous behavior.
btw the actual incident in question is also frightening. believe me i think there is big time improvement to be made in law enforcement and have really seen some sick stuff but this... this is not one of those times.
its crazy how many people are commenting over social media, news, etc about how
- the officer should have aimed for the leg
- the officer should have used another form of control like a taser or a drone net
- an ambulance should have been the one to deal with it because he was having an episode
- that police should be protecting not killing
- his mother was there
- shooting in the leg is for the movies. has anyone else ever tried to deal with an unruly man and a knife? easier said than done and all those suggestions are utter nonsense. he was told multiple times to put the knife down.
- a drone net?? come on. dont bring a knife to a gun fight. dont bring a taser to a knife fight. incredibly dumb comments.
- an ambulance?? the guy was wielding a KNIFE and would not drop it. are medics trained to deal with potential murders?? are they trained to disarm someone? are people forgetting this dude had a knife? no place for medics
- police should be protecting? did you miss the part where THERE WAS A MAN WITH A GIANT BUTCHER KNIFE RUNNING AROUND??? they were protecting. are people honestly this brainwashed where they forgot the guy was going at police with a giant knife?? he is the thing you need protection from.
- his mom was there... and what is that supposed to mean? dont apprehend a criminal because his mom was there? his mom clearly had no handle on the situation, his mom could have been equally an innocent bystanding victim.
im here in the city. you wouldnt really know unless you were living in more dangerous areas of west and north philly. doesnt make it any better. who are you "showing"? youre own neighbors? do not let the inmates run the prison.
side note its actually been pretty nice here lately. sounds like a lot of jersey residents would be happy with some of the dining rules and sports regulations.
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You’re asking all the right questions and applying logic to the situation. Unfortunately the MSM and some politicians have painted themselves into a corner where they can’t even objectively comment on an incident like this and hold the public accountable for their behavior.
Well said. This is the difference between free thinkers and partisans. What happened to George Floyd was a murder. This idiot in Philly got what he deserved. A menace threatened residents and police and he was taken off the streets.
the only thing to be said is that there were two police officers who were able to keep very far away and unloaded 2 clips into him. i thinkkk that might be protocol. but 15 bullets is the optics that makes people go into blackout mode and forget all context even when its in video form right in front of their face.
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Great post.
I think our president has been calling out these issues, albeit in an ineffective way.
hes been trying to win votes from the extreme other side. hes been fanning flames to put it mildly. if he could just articulate why these protests for criminals and looting riots are wrong then we'd be in a better spot but he cant articulate anything other than how very very good, the best hes doing
And in the interim the left is losing votes because they can’t articulate why the protests are wrong. and they refuse to articulate that so to pander to far left. do you not see that?
I am not by any means condoning violent protests. I understand why black people are frustrated and its due to a multitude of issues, not just the recent shooting. If we want change to happen I think protests are necessary, but they need to be done in a peaceful way.
We are finding out more details on the shooting by the day so I think more information needed to understand what happened. However if the man who was killed was indeed having an exacerbation of his Bipolar Disorder I think it is cruel to call him an "idiot and menace". Like shu09 says in his post. People that struggle with mental health issue do not always have insight into their decisions and its not their fault that they have a health issue.
There are reports saying that the family actually called the police for help so he could get proper treatment. Their call should not have resulted in death. Imagine if you had a child that struggled with mental health issues. Who would you call for help if they were a danger to themselves or others? I don't put 100% blame on police because I think they just do not have the proper training to handle these situations and there needs to be a better solution. Otherwise families especially black families will never feel comfortable calling 911 for managing people with mental health challenges.
We are finding out more details on the shooting by the day so I think more information needed to understand what happened. However if the man who was killed was indeed having an exacerbation of his Bipolar Disorder I think it is cruel to call him an "idiot and menace". Like shu09 says in his post. People that struggle with mental health issue do not always have insight into their decisions and its not their fault that they have a health issue.
There are reports saying that the family actually called the police for help so he could get proper treatment. Their call should not have resulted in death. Imagine if you had a child that struggled with mental health issues. Who would you call for help if they were a danger to themselves or others? I don't put 100% blame on police because I think they just do not have the proper training to handle these situations and there needs to be a better solution. Otherwise families especially black families will never feel comfortable calling 911 for managing people with mental health challenges.
yea i do its the same on both sides but one is the actual president.
the left isnt even trying to articulate it
a guy wielding a big knife who wont drop it can only be dealt with in a few ways unfortunately. you cant send in a therapist to deal with it.
i just thought if this, how so tranq guns work? is it possible to shoot someone with that or does it need to be in a certain spot? assuming they would do it if they could.
I'm not saying just sending a therapist is the answer. I think this is a complex issue that is going to require changes to our current system, but what has been happening between police and suspects with mental health issues is not the answer. This is not to say that all interactions have gone bad, but there is room for improvement.
I’m always for more police training (which would be impossible to do if budgets get cut). But I think we also need to reintroduce the idea of institutionalizing people with mental illness. I know that’s not popular for some but it is really necessary for the safety of the patients and the public. Mainstreaming these people in many cases is just a bad decision. Just about every healthcare professional I have spoken to supports this, but you will never see a politician speak about it nor the MSM.
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also i suspect a lot of criminal cases like to fall back on mental health when maybe it was actuslly just a criminal case.
This is a tragedy that a life was lost. However, the police did nothing wrong. The family called the cops presumably because they were afraid that they or other people would be hurt. So the police were called and we are only seeing the end of the incident where it looks like his mother is trying to stop him from going after the police with a knife.
Things are happening quickly and it did not appear any de-escalation techniques would have worked. The only criticism is that the police did not have any non lethal force like a stun gun.
Please people. Stop this idea of shooting in the leg. Police are trained to shoot center mass. Trying to shoot someone in the leg would result in missing the body part and resulting in stray bullets that could hurt or kill innocent bystanders. With adrenaline rushing through their bodies, and people moving, it is actually difficult to shoot someone even center mass. Even with trying to shoot center mass, I am sure the police missed a few shots at a fairly close range.
I don’t even think the protests are ok in this situation. What did you want the police to do, get stabbed? Sad that a person lost his life. But police did not do anything wrong.
I find it interesting how the excuse for most of these cases is the suspect having a "mental health episode." Convienent.
Agreed, depending on color/race, the narrative follows.
What’s the excuse for the looters and vandals? And if I hear one more politician say “I don’t condone violence “....no shit.
Mental health episodes are real but if someone is waving a knife around, the public's safety (including the police) is much more important than the mental health episode.
Trump should absolutely hit up Philly at this point. It's been proven the vast majority of people in inner cities want more policing. He was never going to get the votes of the brilliant people who want to abolish cops. But if he can go in there and commit to more policing to keep people safe, he can grab the number of votes necessary to win Pennsylvania in landslide.
This is what gets me: There is no such thing as a non-peaceful protest. Those are called riots and if you (collectively, not you individually) are not going to acknwoldege that, the rest is just divisive noise.
hes not going to win philly. but i agree i think he could gain more votes there. the city is like 1000% biden
He doesn't need to win Philly and he won't come close. He'll win rural PA, but stealing 20% of votes out of Philly would be gigantic.
It's clear that the unrest in Philly is caused by the white supremacists, who responded to Trump's dog whistle in the first debate.
i would doubt 20%. the high pop areas of north and west philly wont do it. center city wont do it. south philly visibly all looks like joe... id guess the northeast might swing it. just all guesses. its biden mania here.
if you think the looting and violence wont get 1000x worse when trump is announced winner then you need to think again. people will go nuts.
Huh? I was talking about him possibly making a campaign swing through Philadelphia in the final days. He has very little to lose and may siphon off a few votes that he wouldn't ordinarily get as SHUHoopsFan said. Could make the difference in a state that should be very close either way.
if you dont want looting and violence you dont want an event that sets off a nuke of looting and violence aka a trump election win.
the looters are violent towards cops not gen pop. so ita easy to push that narrative. the looting of private property? no idea why that isnt villified by everyone. i think far right group are instigators in their own right.
So if a Biden win would set Republicans off looting and creating violence, we should let Trump win? The criminals always get their way? That doesn't sound like America.
thats irrelevant. a biden win wouldnt do that. a jackass fan flamer like trump would. what should* happen is irrelevant. the situation is what it is. thats america.
These protests and riots over cops started long before Trump came down the escalator. Who was the jackass flame thrower that caused those?
A Trump win would be something else. What the snowflakes and leftists do in response is not my concern.
Trump's path has to be FL-GA-NC-AZ-PA. If he gets those states, he doesn't have to win any in the upper midwest. He still has 6 in Iowa, 6 in Nevada and 4 in New Hampshire to make up for a loss in Arizona or North Carolina, although that's not a high probability back up option if he loses one of AZ/NC as NV and NH are definitely Biden leans, though not locks.
Arizona and Pennsylvania are the major tipping point states in this election in my view. Trump is very unlikely to win if he doesn't get at least one of them and probably both. If he wins neither, he has no shot outside of winning WI or MN plus MI. I don't see that as likely this time around considering the small margins he won by there last time and the changes in those states since.
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also irrelevant. what im saying is that if people want to avoid violence they will see a trump win as a possible cause for major rioting and think twice about flipping to him. regardless of what is right or fair, their mind will tell them things will be worse if trumps name is called
the surrounding philly counties might decide it. close enough for people to be affected by the rioting but far enough they wont legitimately be threatened by it.
