President Trump reportedly considering executive order limiting NIL after meeting with Nick Saban
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Would have zero chance of standing up in court. Even at the supreme level.
Omg lol. Great, get that circus involved.
Because it’s blatantly illegal. Of course, that may be a quaint notion given the person described in this subject line.
I thought Republicans didn't want government regulation/intervention. NIL is a problem for America. Toxic waste in rivers...?! 🤷♂️
That’s exactly it. I’ve never seen a more conservative government trying to regulate more issues. And now trying to control this?
Donald Trump is not a conservative. This pay for play certainly needs goalposts, but I don't think executive action from the president is the answer here. Unilateral executive action on anything usually isn't.
Serious question: what determines whether an Executive Order is legal or not? Seems like every president issues them, I know Bush did, as did Obama, as did Biden.
The presidency seems to hold more and more power then the other two branches of government. Although maybe its been this way for awhile.
The presidency seems to hold more and more power then the other two branches of government. Although maybe its been this way for awhile.
The idea of so-called student-athletes receiving undisclosed amounts of money from wealthy alumni doesn’t seem entirely legitimate. Why is the government even involved in this? And how was a judge allowed to overrule rules that only apply to college sports? If someone didn’t like the transfer rules or not getting paid for NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness), then maybe they shouldn’t have played.
Personally, I do think these athletes should be able to make money from their NIL—as long as it’s done transparently and legitimately. But the way our judicial system is handling all of this is completely messed up. Something needs to be done to bring order and accountability to whatever this is that’s happening in college sports.
And of course, now that Trump is talking about it, half the country will automatically take the opposite side out of pure spite. These are crazy times
As the head of the Executive branch the President has the power to issue any Executive Order he pleases. If it’s deemed harmful to the country Congress & the Senate can over ride it. They also have the power to codify it into law so the next president can not remove it without Congress & the Senate approval.
My guess is that congress wouldn’t interfere since the majority of the country realizes play for play with no limitations is a disaster.
If a salary cap is blatently illegal then how does the NFL or NBA get away with it?
My guess is that congress wouldn’t interfere since the majority of the country realizes play for play with no limitations is a disaster.
If a salary cap is blatently illegal then how does the NFL or NBA get away with it?
Because professional athletes are unionized. And the players union and owners collectively bargained an agreement on the rules.
The whole thing is a mess, why watch paid amateurs when you can watch paid professionals. I’m back watching the NBA, college ball is dead to me. If anything take the Best 40 schools with the most money and create a minor league. At least the level of play will get better. Time to close shop and move on from college basketball. The product is not worth watching. Too many jackasses involved and nothing positive happening.
If these guys are getting paid they are professional atheletes. Unionization is right around the corner.
I think NIL should be what it was supposed to be. You sell a Kadary Richmond jersey, player gets a certain percentage of the sale price. If lululemon wants to hire a gymnast to be their spokes model, the gymnast can het paid that contract.
In no way should it be for all athletes and all members of a team. It should be restricted that so that if any company that has any connection with a school cannot give a player NIL. So there is no collective skirting the restrictions. It should be rare for a player to benefit from NIL. Not the norm where it is hired mercenaries. What we have is not NIL.
In no way should it be for all athletes and all members of a team. It should be restricted that so that if any company that has any connection with a school cannot give a player NIL. So there is no collective skirting the restrictions. It should be rare for a player to benefit from NIL. Not the norm where it is hired mercenaries. What we have is not NIL.
nil is a lotta bullshit. what 8th man on a college hooos team is the guy companies want to pay for endorsements. ed obannon got screwed. but few college athletes are worthy of nil.
they do deserve to get paid cause the games we watch they play earn mountains of coin. and they deserve their share.
but nil from collectives is what would have been suggested if the ncaa went to the biggest cheaters and asked them to suggest rules to let them legally do what thay have been doing under the table. great progress.
they do deserve to get paid cause the games we watch they play earn mountains of coin. and they deserve their share.
but nil from collectives is what would have been suggested if the ncaa went to the biggest cheaters and asked them to suggest rules to let them legally do what thay have been doing under the table. great progress.
The NCAA didn’t want to acknowledge the players drive their revenue and instead of people finding creative solutions to form a standard they clasped their nostalgia and kept the money themselves as the money boomed and the courts agreed it was more exploitation than amateurism.
And then all hell broke loose bc then this was used to obliterate transfer rules too. A shame.
And then all hell broke loose bc then this was used to obliterate transfer rules too. A shame.
What we have is P4P--pure and simple. NIL has been bastardized to where fat cats who don't have enough bucks to buy a pro or minor league team, have found the closest thing to boost their ego. Like the old fart with the new corvette & trophy wife.
These players should get every dollar they can. The NCAA mafia got fat on their skills for way too long.
Sorry but I rather see someone like Kadary get every $ he can for his skill set instead of the pompous asses in Indy.
Sorry but I rather see someone like Kadary get every $ he can for his skill set instead of the pompous asses in Indy.
It's more like the pompous asses that are head coaches and run athletic departments.
If an executive order ever happens we need to see what the contents are. Regardless an unelected federal judge will most likely try to kill it.
Greed was their downfall no doubt but without the NCAA format most of these “kids” would be playing in half empty gyms overseas or in the G league.
How long will it be before the HS kids demand to get paid?
It’s not the judges. The NCAA executives along with the P4 (at the time P5) football conference commissioners screwed this up. So many opportunities to find a compromise over the years.
It's definitely partially the judges fault with their interpretation. Yes NCAA was ridiculous but judge opened flood gates without any guardrails. No middle ground was created and any idea of real NIL was destroyed
It was never the job of the judges to set any guardrails. Every lawsuit was to challenge the legality of the issue not to sit there and say well that’s not legal but here’s a better way to run the show. When the government loses in court they rewrite the laws. The NCAA never rewrote the rules. Now we have chaos. The chaos favors the big boys which is probably why the most powerful member institutions of the ncaa haven’t pressured anyone at the NCAA to rewrite the rules
They will too if they start getting billion dollar TV deals, commercial promotion, major revenue, etc.
Well of course they are. I would expect a very high viewership —especially with the teams involved in the final four this year.
It’s like Yankees-Dodgers, Lakers-Celtics and Cowboys (against anyone else).
The question is whether it gets stale quickly if the pattern stays the same. College basketball had always been different from the above (and college football) and that’s what drew audiences.
College basketball never held the same cache as college football, but the tournament is what created a market all on its own.
Will it hold the same level of viewership in 5-7 years if it mimics football?
I don’t think so.
It will....but moreso for the "hard core" sports fan...less so for the "casual fan", ie "water cooler, in an office pool" fan...simply because to them, having the same teams win over and over defeats the reason they are even tuned in. They want to see drama, unexpected results, etc., only the sports fans will appreciate "good basketball".
And...that is in essence what made the Tournament so great...that widespread appeal...that will be lost.
I’m pretty sure the big named power schools always outdraw the Cinderella story. In fact, I think it also drops when you have a bunch of small schools making epic runs. Great for diehard fans and those programs obviously, but not nationally. I don’t have stats to back that up, but it’s been written about many times over the years. Stands to reason they have the largest fan bases and brand recognition, no? Those people aren’t going to stop following.
I guess it’s more about the smaller programs viewership or fatigue by it, but no way of knowing what % that is or if it even matters to anyone.
Agree with all of that, hence by rationale for bringing in up the big spenders/casual fans in others sports.
And I think it will still garner strong attention for the next 4/5 years.
But college football and pro sports both have the market for the iterations of championship matchups.
We can’t know, but what separated college basketball—and made people watch the opening two rounds—was whether “your” team survived against the double digit seed.
If the little guys can no longer be a threat anymore, I’m betting the overall viewership fades. At least until the final four.
Viewership qualified beyond just the final four...first weekend did very well vs recent history
Kids were signing contracts for playing time 10 years ago, I'm sure money is already being exchanged.
