Richmond info per Jerry
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Did the Richmond rumor start here? If so, embarrassing for the author.
I didn't see it until the morning after and as soon as I did I deleted well over 100 posts/responses. It took about 75 minutes to find them all.
Just embarrassing that anyone would start a rumor like that one. Especially regarding a player who has given so much to the school.
Great recruiting tool for future players that are interested in coming here.
Just embarrassing that anyone would start a rumor like that one. Especially regarding a player who has given so much to the school.
Great recruiting tool for future players that are interested in coming here.
People who start vicious rumors on this forum don't have to be people who support SHU and want to see success. They are want just the opposite!
I have been in trouble for critical comments but I would not start a rumor that would hurt a player or the program.
I have been in trouble for critical comments but I would not start a rumor that would hurt a player or the program.
No, if it is the one I saw, then he is a longtime poster but also with a history just as long of bomb-throwing with nothing at all to substantiate it.
Not everyone is capable of shame.
Great recruiting tool for future players that are interested in coming here.
As opposed to the game threads?
As opposed to the game threads?
The first post I saw about this said they had heard it as a rumor at courtside during our last home game
Someone posted it was a halftime rumor. The rest of us discussed its possibility. And the postgame interview with coach didn’t help.
World we live in. Adjust or die. Either you control the storyline or it’s controlled for you. A business cannot ignore negative ratings bc it becomes the definition. Sha’s official comments made it look like they has no idea or were hiding something. Fuels the fire.
They could use some Marketing/PR
/corp communications overall. It’s lacking. Also see it with play with NIL.
At the end of the day it will have less shelf life than Sha’s dance with Copeland and that was on tape. Although i wouls note that I had a friend who was in Iceland and a few days after the Wagner game saw the interaction between those two close fiends on an international sports news program.
While I read the thread, I never believed it. But that just me. Now lets hope Kadary is feeling well enough to play tomorrow. When your back hurts, you feel it with every move you make.
Anyone who is a real fan saw him struggle against Creighton even though he had a triple double which is crazy. He didn’t have the same lift or explosion to the basket and wasn’t himself. The rumor wasn’t believable IMO but some posters jumped all over it which was not surprising. Sha should have handled it better too in the presser. Glad Dan deleted the posts. The original poster had better learn from this.
I’ve been suffering with back issues most of my life, when I over do anything mostly golf takes weeks to recover. I’m sure that overtime game and fall vs. St.Johns did him in. My issues started in my 20’s so it’s not always about age. Played 63 holes of golf in 3 days, last day I could not even hit the ball in the air. Took a day or 2 to stand up straight, couple weeks to walk without pain. I hope he’s seeing a chiropractor. He was not right vs. Creighton.
Probably the first to complain about the coaching staff's disdain for message boards.
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Seton Hall’s continued reluctance to share information allow baseless rumors like this to take hold. Communications need to be much better for a high major program.
Sorry but I don’t agree. Yes SHU could have handled communi cations better but the entire discussion was around KR’s injury. it was obvious in the CU game. And yet someone creates a rumor about NIL completely out of thin air and a bunch of people jump on it. That’s what is disheartening about message boards.
I get that, but the rumor mill is just something that comes with the territory of public message boards. What Jerry mentions is other media figures around the country reaching out to him about the situation and asking whether the NIL rumor is true.
IMO the responsibility of setting the narrative lies with the program, especially when you are dealing with an injury to the star player and it’s embarrassing that it’s left to people like Jerry and Dan on this board to shoot down these rumors.
A rumor is one thing but when people just make stuff up, that’s something else.
I don’t think we even need to know what the specific injury is. Just a simple statement that lays out why he’s not playing would go a long way.
“Kadary Richmond is not at 100% and has made the decision to rest and allow his body to heal. He looks forward to rejoining his teammates on the court as soon as he feels healthy enough to play.”
It’s not difficult at all. I think in the age of NIL, when fan support is as crucial as ever there’s a responsibility for the program to be as transparent as reasonably possible.
“Kadary Richmond is not at 100% and has made the decision to rest and allow his body to heal. He looks forward to rejoining his teammates on the court as soon as he feels healthy enough to play.”
It’s not difficult at all. I think in the age of NIL, when fan support is as crucial as ever there’s a responsibility for the program to be as transparent as reasonably possible.
So let me throw this out there as to what could have been said or what could be the policy of the school on these matters.
1. Just always say as a starting point if it’s injury or illness related. There has been no issue with disclosing that a player was battling the flu in the past or even something Covid related.
2. Then give a very general time frame.
- Day to day, game to game, out for a 1-2 weeks, out for a month, or out for the season.
3. Then give a statement that the injury will continue to be monitored and re-evaluated and that those timelines have a way of being expedited or prolonged due to progress with recovery.
4. Make it a specific policy that beyond commenting injury / illness and a General timeline that you don’t disclose specifically what the ailment is if you don’t want to for strategic purposes or for the privacy of the student.
5. Sometimes you can’t avoid the questions because we see what happened on TV, it was an ankle injury, head injury, eye injury etc. but if the injury happened in practice or was more extensive than what is being speculated, then just say it’s an injury that will keep the player off the court for ___ general time period and we will continue to update their progress when we know more.
Sha’s comments about the soreness, his lack of knowledge of the player being out, and his ability to prepare appropriately did not come across well. It created more questions than answers.
Conversely, Willard would paint the picture that Myles Powell would never play basketball ever again. But then he returns for the Michigan St game (with magic holy water. 🤦♂️) and then again from a concussion when we thought he could miss the entire BE regular season from the initial prognosis.
There just needs to be some more transparency that is reasonable and still respects the privacy of the program and player in certain situations.
I agree with almost everything said here as it is inline with my post above.
The only part I would push back on is the following:
“Kadary…has made the decision to rest and allow his body to heal.”
That puts the microscope squarely back on the athlete. It then opens that player up for direct criticism from fans without full knowledge of the extent of his ailments.
“I would do this back in my day” “I would be out there with one good leg if it was me” “my back pain experience tells me that he should do the following” “does he care more about himself or his teammates / fans”
The answer should be, “Seton Hall, the training staff, and the player all support the idea that said player is not ready to return to practice / game action at this time.”
If you don’t like it. I know it kind of sucks. But that’s the deal. Just (SHU) be consistent with how you communicate it for all athletes.
Aren't we consistent? We are not informative but we seem consistent to me. I still don't know what happened with Aiken lol.
I think a lot of stuff just isn't my business and the mums the word doesn't bother me.
The guy has a bad back and I saw him fall on it again then play 50 minutes. A backache is pretty easy for me to believe. Not having a backache, now that I ain't believing. LOL
I think a lot of stuff just isn't my business and the mums the word doesn't bother me.
The guy has a bad back and I saw him fall on it again then play 50 minutes. A backache is pretty easy for me to believe. Not having a backache, now that I ain't believing. LOL
To me, the Richmond situation is a smaller symptom of a larger issue at Seton Hall, which is Public Relations and communications are very limited.
In this new era of college sports, establishing a connection and trust with your fan base is imperative, especially for a resource limited school like Seton Hall. This in turn will ideally lead to increased support and donations. The Seton Hall paranoia and keeping things in house way of thinking will only lead to falling further behind in this rapidly changing landscape.
While fans certainly aren’t entitled to any information regarding the circumstances around a player’s health, it would serve the team well to keep fans as in the loop as appropriately possible about this (and all matter relating to the program)
To be fair, Seton Hall as made some strides, especially with the hire of Mike McBride and the plan he’s laid out for the future. But the fact that this message board rumor managed to circulate nationally is absolutely a PR failure by the school.
In this new era of college sports, establishing a connection and trust with your fan base is imperative, especially for a resource limited school like Seton Hall. This in turn will ideally lead to increased support and donations. The Seton Hall paranoia and keeping things in house way of thinking will only lead to falling further behind in this rapidly changing landscape.
While fans certainly aren’t entitled to any information regarding the circumstances around a player’s health, it would serve the team well to keep fans as in the loop as appropriately possible about this (and all matter relating to the program)
To be fair, Seton Hall as made some strides, especially with the hire of Mike McBride and the plan he’s laid out for the future. But the fact that this message board rumor managed to circulate nationally is absolutely a PR failure by the school.
I think the thing nobody talks about is what Jerry mentions with times being different. I take that to mean we can't imagine Sha being cleared to play and saying I'm sore. Same for Barrett. Same for Copeland. Same for Morton. And so on. Let's be real, Sha is old school tough. That's top of the list of what we love about him. He's a team guy. He's a guy who is going to try and tough it out for the team. Hearing a player isn't playing because he's sore 20-50 years ago never would've happened. Maybe players are more in tune with their bodies today. But when you hear something new like this, I don't blame people for being skeptical, it's really new and as Jerry said Mag at RU did the same thing.
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Just take into account that Both Mag (surgery) and Richmond (hairline fracture in his back) had very serious injuries last season. I say who are we to question either player now as to when they feel they can play? They more than anyone know how they feel and saying or hinting that they should just tough it out is silly.
I think what Jerry said is true. It's just a different world now. It's not like the old days when a doctor told you're good and you got in there. How many people on this message board are from those days? How many people that's their mentality? Doc says I'm good to go I'm playing. That was the mentality until rather recently. Not saying it's right or wrong, but that's the world most of us grew up in. This is new, not necessarily wrong. Everyone loves the scene in the movie Miracle where he tells McClanahan a bruise on the leg is a hell of a long way from the heart. That's just how things were.
Dan....in transparency, i said i wish he would have gutted out the Providence game and sat against Marquette. Of course, when Sha says he is out due to general soreness, you can understand why some of us felt this way.
That's the part that gets me most about this. I think Sha is a really good guy. I mean a guy who would run through a brick wall for his players. And I picture in 20 years, if any of these guys need help in life, he'll be first to give his shirt off his back for any of them. I think Bediako said he would fight all day and night for that guy. Sha comes off annoyed by the whole situation. I don't think Sha's coming off annoyed by an injured player being out, that would be ridiculous and absurd. So I think that's where the message gets dicey.
Respectfully, that is just dumb. No doctor knows how you feel. I myself have had serious back issues for nearly a year. But multiple doctors told me all I needed was therapy, acupuncture, yoga and seeing a pain specialist.
I did all of the above telling each that they were making my pain worse and they just told me to trust them. Eventually I went to a neurosurgeon and he suggested the surgery I am recovering from now.
Doctors are not infallible. They certainly can help, but no one but the individual knows how they feel.
Of course. IMO the situation was handled poorly and you all know how much I respect Holloway.
He's an old school warrior and probably would have played to his physical detriment. That said I side with the athletes here and not with Holloway or Pikiell.
Those were Jerry's words not mine, but looking back that's how I'll bet 75%-90% of this message board grew up. I think there's plenty of situations like yours and there's plenty of situations like Michael Jordan, Willis Reed, Kerri Strug, and dare I say it bloody or ketchup socked Curt Schilling, which we are all in awe of those performances.
I think they have been consistently reticent on injuries, which respects the player's right to privacy. Many here don't like it, which kind of sucks. They have a good trainer and a good ortho staff, and you just have to trust that if Aiken and Yetna (and Richmond last year) could have been out there playing, they probably would have. Aiken had a very serious knee injury, and then you had local family influences, too.
I think that Sha could have handled it better, particularly when he states that he doesn't know status of his best player. He does, and you can bet that Richmond is a priority to the training staff, who are constantly updating the coach.
