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Seton Hall basketball looks to grow up

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By JOHN ROWE
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NEW YORK — The late Al McGuire was fond of saying the best thing about college freshmen was that they became sophomores.

Kevin Willard can only hope.

Seton Hall’s basketball coach begins his sixth season in South Orange picking up the shattered pieces of last season, when his freshmen-dominated team started faster than a wire-to-wire winning thoroughbred before fading like an overmatched claimer. The Pirates lost 11 of their last 14 games to finish 16-15.

"We were real immature," Isaiah Whitehead, the No. 1-ranked player in the five-star recruiting class, said Wednesday during Big East Media Day at Madison Square Garden. "We really didn’t know the college game. This year we have a greater understanding."

Whether that translates into enough wins to satisfy the fan base remains to be seen. Willard has a strong ally in athletic director Patrick Lyons, whom he worked for at Iona, but he needs better results. He’s 30-60 in conference play, and his team’s only postseason appearance came in the NIT in 2011-12. While St. John’s and new coach Chris Mullin, the Hall of Famer, are this season’s flavor of the year, Seton Hall was last season’s.

Rival Big East coaches picked Seton Hall to finish seventh in the 10-team conference. The Pirates, who host Dartmouth in their season opener Nov. 13, are convinced they’ll be better, in part because they’re all a year older.

Willard calls last season "a learning experience," not his most aggravating year. He insists the work ethic of his players never wavered, but their focus did, especially after they upset Villanova early in the season and had a brief stay in the AP Top 25 — the No. 19 ranking being the program’s highest since 2001.

Then came the unwinding.

First, Whitehead suffered a stress fracture in his right foot. He missed nine games, including the first eight in conference ("I had never been hurt that long, and I came back when I wasn’t really 100 percent"). That was followed by guard Jaren Sina leaving the program and eventually enrolling at George Washington, and at season’s end, point guard Sterling Gibbs left. He’s now at Connecticut playing in his graduate season.

Willard has moved Whitehead, a 6-foot-4 swingman, to the point and feels other players, like rebounding machine Angel Delgado, will benefit from having a season, however rocky, under their belts.

"Isaiah has to understand that he doesn’t have to hit a home run every time," said Willard.

The coach has been delivering a lot of messages to his players. The kid gloves he wore last season have been discarded.

"I wouldn’t yell at them [last season] because they were so young. They were puppies, baby deers," Willard said. "Now I’m yelling more — and enjoying it."

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List me the best coaches in the game, and tell me one that doesn't yell. And if you don't yell, then you better be very well respected by the players. Even cool customers like Pitino and Calipari were high energy in your face coaches before they achieved success and respect. Willard needs to ge better results before he can play suave with the players and expect to get results.
 
You posters need to chill on all out everything Willard bashing. This is just coach speak. I was at a practice last year, with only three others, and he was yelling his ass off.

Try not to dissect everything he says. The season is about to begin, we will get to judge Willard's results.
 
List me the best coaches in the game, and tell me one that doesn't yell. And if you don't yell, then you better be very well respected by the players. Even cool customers like Pitino and Calipari were high energy in your face coaches before they achieved success and respect. Willard needs to ge better results before he can play suave with the players and expect to get results.
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List me the best coaches in the game, and tell me one that doesn't yell.

Statenman has no chill. The constant literal dissection of everything that comes out of this guys mouth needs to stop. It's so annoying. Do you honestly believe that he never yells? Honestly? As hallball'n said, I've heard Willard scream his ass off at these guys.

A lot of what Willard says in tongue in cheek
 
When I go to my conference in Vegas next weekend, I'm going to cut out early and go crazy at all the hot spots. But I'll be ok because when my wife sees the credit receipt I'll tell her that I didn't lie about the conference, it was just "coach speak".
I've never been to a practice so I'll take your word for it. But each year I buy into coaches reasoning for last years disappointment and each year I buy into the changes he says he is making to make things better for this year. Time for results.
 
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When I go to my conference in Vegas next weekend, I'm going to cut out early and go crazy at all the hot spots. But I'll be ok because when my wife sees the credit receipt I'll tell her that I didn't lie about the conference, it was just "coach speak".
I've never been to a practice so I'll take your word for it. But each year I buy into coaches reasoning for last years disappointment and each year I buy into the changes he says he is making to make things better for this year. Time for results.
I really don't know why we think we or anyone gets or deserves the absolute truth about a team. I don't expect it from a CEO when he discusses an important issue with his company, I expect CEOspeak. Same with politicians. And when we get a straight comment, it is often to more make a point more than to give us the truth. You think Terry Collins is sharing his innermost thoughts about the game tonite. "Terry, how is deGrom doing today? Of you wont believe it, he came into my office and was in really bad shape, worrying that he may blow the season..." Nah, we would get Jake is tough as nails and I expect him to pitch like he did in Game One. As it should be. Anyone who believes that PJs first thought after the UM call on Greene was "wow, I am so glad Clougherty is the guy makig that call."
 
Kevin has nothing to be tongue in cheek about in my view. I just wish he'd tell it straight , be a hard task master, bench guys for not listening and stop trying to be cool.

Enough. He's paid to do a job- not entertain with cutesy remarks.
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I have heard this "yelling more" before as well! Too funny.
 
Kevin has nothing to be tongue in cheek about in my view. I just wish he'd tell it straight , be a hard task master, bench guys for not listening and stop trying to be cool.

Enough. He's paid to do a job- not entertain with cutesy remarks.
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Chuck, you have never met people who answer questions tongue in cheek? I think some people are just that way. I know I am.
 
I find it childish given his responsibility, the money he makes, and his record. We have a big investment in this program and it's no joke.
 
I find it childish given his responsibility, the money he makes, and his record. We have a big investment in this program and it's no joke.

Also tired of Lyons getting a pass year after year after year when it comes to men's hoops. How about some accountably maybe like soon. And please don't give me anymore nonsense that Willard needs more time. The flagship program stinks. No more BS. Willard can't make the NIT with his own players now making ludicrous statements that they will be dangerous when they get in the tourney. Sure.
 
Also tired of Lyons getting a pass year after year after year when it comes to men's hoops. How about some accountably maybe like soon. And please don't give me anymore nonsense that Willard needs more time. The flagship program stinks. No more BS. Willard can't make the NIT with his own players now making ludicrous statements that they will be dangerous when they get in the tourney. Sure.
IMO, we are searching for positives so hard that we anoint anyone for anything possible and give them credit way beyond their accomplishments. We have done that with various coaches over the years. Every person I have spoken to about Lyons says he is terrific, so much better than his predecessors. (That was kind of a low bar...lol) I hope he IS terrific. But he is AD when we get a huge cash infusion and we see facilities improve. He gets the credit. Thanks to FOX. Hoops still foundering, soccer is worse and baseball is status quo. I give him credit for hiring Tony, though I am more in show me stage with Tony than most. We have so few sports. That also makes his job easier than past ADs.
 
IMO, we are searching for positives so hard that we anoint anyone for anything possible and give them credit way beyond their accomplishments. We have done that with various coaches over the years. Every person I have spoken to about Lyons says he is terrific, so much better than his predecessors. (That was kind of a low bar...lol) I hope he IS terrific. But he is AD when we get a huge cash infusion and we see facilities improve. He gets the credit. Thanks to FOX. Hoops still foundering, soccer is worse and baseball is status quo. I give him credit for hiring Tony, though I am more in show me stage with Tony than most. We have so few sports. That also makes his job easier than past ADs.
I think that's a fair analysis of Pat. I believe he does have a vision, is passionate and hope he is terrific too, but we need to evaluate on results.
 
Also tired of Lyons getting a pass year after year after year when it comes to men's hoops. How about some accountably maybe like soon. And please don't give me anymore nonsense that Willard needs more time. The flagship program stinks. No more BS. Willard can't make the NIT with his own players now making ludicrous statements that they will be dangerous when they get in the tourney. Sure.



Are you this negative all the time?
 
Pat's tenure will be judged, fairly or not, on whether our marquee program men's basketball becomes relevant and successful once again. You could have highly successful programs in every other sport but men's basketball and there would be criticism of him despite those successes, the significant upgrades in facilities, fund raising plus his accessability. Just as I believe that this year should allow us to fairly judge whether the men's basketball program needs new leadership I also believe that what Lyons does if this year's results are not where we want them to be will help define his tenure as our AD.
 
Are you this negative all the time?

I know you drink a lot of the Willard kool aid so maybe you can enlighten the peons on why you think this team will be playing in the sweet 16 in late March. I put my money on 50/50 this team makes the NIT.
 
I know you drink a lot of the Willard kool aid so maybe you can enlighten the peons on why you think this team will be playing in the sweet 16 in late March. I put my money on 50/50 this team makes the NIT.
I don't drink the Willard kool ade, but I do imbibe in the SHU kool ade heavily. It makes me happy to hope we are gonna be terrific. So I look at the team and decide how this group might be good. Once the play starts, reality sets in. But for now, positivity and hoping for the best makes me happy.
 
I don't drink the Willard kool ade, but I do imbibe in the SHU kool ade heavily. It makes me happy to hope we are gonna be terrific. So I look at the team and decide how this group might be good. Once the play starts, reality sets in. But for now, positivity and hoping for the best makes me happy.
That's exactly what they thought in Jonestown …
 
I know you drink a lot of the Willard kool aid so maybe you can enlighten the peons on why you think this team will be playing in the sweet 16 in late March. I put my money on 50/50 this team makes the NIT.


Funny, I'm not a willard fan at all.
 
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