Seton Hall Fan
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eh, kind of think a lot of his complaints are overblown. They're complaints that are completely dwarfed by wins and losses.
OK, the gear isn't that nice,
i haven't seen an interview with the new players,
nobody cares if the team is 8-0 and ranked right now, just win
the problems with the program begin and end with 3 horrible losses..
would trade a million ugly quarter zips and promotional nights for a ranked team.
OK, the gear isn't that nice,
i haven't seen an interview with the new players,
nobody cares if the team is 8-0 and ranked right now, just win
the problems with the program begin and end with 3 horrible losses..
would trade a million ugly quarter zips and promotional nights for a ranked team.
Most are really spot on but I'm tired of hearing the ignorant Corey Lowery high school principal garbage. He was not a high school principal when hired by Sha/Seton Hall. He was coming off a 2-year stint as head coach at Lincoln University (certainly a much lower level) with a record of 21-10. Prior to that he was a JUCO coach with a record of 245-63, 152-19 in-conference.
I'm not saying he should be on the staff of a high major program but he is a good basketball guy. Just tired of all the agenda-driven misinformation. You don't do yourself any favors by lying about him and disrespecting Shaheen.
A big miss, IMO, which they also just re-upped on long term, is outsourcing the revenue generating departments.
And they're not alone! Many colleges do the same thing because they want to focus on athletic administration and not be bothered with the business side of the athletic department.
This is no criticism of Learfield employees working at SHU - they're great. But they can be just as great as SHU employees without the vendor taking a cut of ticket and sponsorship sales.
It's not all bad, I'm sure there's a risk mitigation element to the contract, but it also caps potential upside and IMO this is an aspect of the business they should want full control of.
And they're not alone! Many colleges do the same thing because they want to focus on athletic administration and not be bothered with the business side of the athletic department.
This is no criticism of Learfield employees working at SHU - they're great. But they can be just as great as SHU employees without the vendor taking a cut of ticket and sponsorship sales.
It's not all bad, I'm sure there's a risk mitigation element to the contract, but it also caps potential upside and IMO this is an aspect of the business they should want full control of.
Just get some players who can shoot the ball please, try starting with foul shouting. The rest will fall into place. If you can’t shoot fouls you just can’t shoot. It’s not a novel approach . Please consider a basic concept.
I noticed this in Charleston. During pre game warm ups and especially getting ready for the start of the 2nd half, players on the other teams went to the foul line to take a couple of FTs. Not once did I see a SHU player take a FT during warm ups. A big deal, who knows but it seems to indicate that despite what the coaches say, the players don’t properly value what it takes to get better from the stripe.
Our warm up routine has always stunk. No structure to it. After watching Gonzaga warm up when they kicked our ass in Arizona I was so impressed and then watched them take us to the woodshed. Not sure when our coaches will wise up and put some structure around warm-ups. It provides discipline and develops skills.
In fairness, we shot free throws really well last year. And Sha has commented in the past how many free throws he has the guys take in practice.
In the end, Sha is our guy. He will figure it out. For him to become a head coach at a major program during this tumultous time along with our schools NIL shortcomings, there is going to be a learning curve. Trust me, if he left, we would be so screwed. I am very confident in him. He has shown me too much over the last 3 years to lose confidence in him.
Hopefully he is beginning to realize that he can't have just defensive guys, as there is no time for development any more. He is going to need to save up some NIL money for a bucket getter.
Not saying you are wrong... but you are only seeing like 10% of the warm up routine as a fan. There are 2+ hours of warms ups with players getting shots up, running drills, getting a sweat going, going over defense, stretching etc that all takes place before fans are even able to get in the building.
Saying you watched one team have a better warm up than us is really just saying they did lay up lines better than us...
Agree that SetonHallFan…probably over emphasizes the assist coach hire aspect but agree that it part of the systemic program problem. Why didn’t we go big on any of the hires?
SetonHallFan on twitter has been better with sharing awareness of seton hall men’s bball related items then the team’s own’s team page. In this day and age, not being as active on social media and own team shu page is super unhealthy when it’s all about capitalizing on fan booster support. He has been doing it better since the beginning of Willard era.
Add the closed door atmosphere that Sha has built, on not sharing with supportive press, not hyping players bc living in fear players will be recruited from here, it hurts.
While this doesn’t contribute directly to W and loses, it does hurt the program, and over time can ruin what was a healthy program from a PR point of view.
SetonHallFan on twitter has been better with sharing awareness of seton hall men’s bball related items then the team’s own’s team page. In this day and age, not being as active on social media and own team shu page is super unhealthy when it’s all about capitalizing on fan booster support. He has been doing it better since the beginning of Willard era.
Add the closed door atmosphere that Sha has built, on not sharing with supportive press, not hyping players bc living in fear players will be recruited from here, it hurts.
While this doesn’t contribute directly to W and loses, it does hurt the program, and over time can ruin what was a healthy program from a PR point of view.
I’ll use this time now, while I am already ripping on Sha and the program, to name a few other items I don’t like to date.
So some internal folks(could have been former players) fed punks like Jeff Goodman inside info that we have no NIL resources, fine, can’t prevent that and while it’s mostly true, Sha essentially broadcasts it to the world hurting our image and recruiting even more.
Now when asking the casual college basketball fan thoughts about SHU, they first think we have poor NIL resources. Where is our marketing to counter that negative press? Sha instead legitimizes it and uses it often as an excuse to make himself look better that he making miracles happening here under his leadership like at St. Peter’s. The fact is we have been worse under him then Willard.
Add in Sha’s 12 player rotation and how he brags about it, and his old school yelling communication style, who want to come here?
I’m not happy with how the admin or Sha is running this program the last 3 years, who would be when you expect to be in tourney every year? Last year was his best year and it’s when he learned to lean on his best players (though forced).
So some internal folks(could have been former players) fed punks like Jeff Goodman inside info that we have no NIL resources, fine, can’t prevent that and while it’s mostly true, Sha essentially broadcasts it to the world hurting our image and recruiting even more.
Now when asking the casual college basketball fan thoughts about SHU, they first think we have poor NIL resources. Where is our marketing to counter that negative press? Sha instead legitimizes it and uses it often as an excuse to make himself look better that he making miracles happening here under his leadership like at St. Peter’s. The fact is we have been worse under him then Willard.
Add in Sha’s 12 player rotation and how he brags about it, and his old school yelling communication style, who want to come here?
I’m not happy with how the admin or Sha is running this program the last 3 years, who would be when you expect to be in tourney every year? Last year was his best year and it’s when he learned to lean on his best players (though forced).
I wanted to touch upon the Sha closed door approach for a second.
Just speculating but these could be other angles.
1. Injury liability concerns
After the Myles Powell fall out, I can understand why details about specific injuries are not disclosed. We wanted to win so bad all we could do was ask when Myles was going to come back and play. Then information possibly gets distorted and you end up with a lawsuit.
Willard was also constantly pressured for updates on the Bryce Aiken concussion process and then last year we had the General Soreness situation. All these become unnecessary distractions for the team in the middle of the season. You even watched Sha get angry with the media when they wouldn’t let the Alexis Yetna injury situation go, all the way towards late in the season.
We obviously want answers, but whoever is able to suit up that night to play is all the coach can concerns themselves over.
2. Setting unrealistic expectations.
On numerous occasions the media has seen a practice or two and then wrote a preseason article hyping up the potential of specific players.
One example would be Jamir Harris. Based on the early write ups, fans were led to believe that his personality and practice performance was going to carry his 20 ppg success at American over to Seton Hall and become our go to guy, big shot maker, and closer at the end of games.
Harris fell well short of that and his early season struggles IMO led to his pressing even harder to live up to those expectations. If I am a coach, I want none of those external factors effecting my players.
A big part of the head coach job in high major athletics is to be good with media. A good coach should be charismatic and at least a little open with media and def not abrasive.
What I am saying is there are ways to answer questions or address the elephant in room besides giving direct PHI to press. Be a politician, answer a diff question, talk about the wine you just bought over the wkd, ask permission from player to reveal injury related info. You don’t need to live in fear on the podium, just be smart with what is said if legal issues are a worry. I don’t think he handles that stuff well.
As far as Jamir, he was ruined by Sha 🤣. Maybe it was the shoulder, maybe it was playing too hard on defense, maybe it was the Sha yelling affect, but he had a decent first year with us percentage wise with Willard.
We remember the start of Jamir’s tenure with the Hall a little different.
He came in off of a season in which he shot 43.8% from 3 pt range at American.
In his first 17 games he really struggled shooting the 3 ball. He was at 33%. But that was also inflated by a 6/10 game at Walsh Gym vs Nyack.
I think he did a good job of finding a way to be a contributor by the end of the season.
But the original hype articles did not paint the narrative that Harris would go on to average 7.9 ppg for the year.
And then yes he was set back by the shoulder injury the following year under Sha.
