Seton hall will never get another dollar from me ever again
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No idea who Father Hall is, but it doesn't matter who made the call. Perception is reality. Great timing on this too. Unreal.
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Great...hopefully this doesn't go beyond nj.com and into the national media. Looks like we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory yet again with regards to what could have been a nice story.
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I never understood the dynamic between the Archdiocese and the other decision makers at SHU. Was never inclined to because I didn't go there based on any Catholic ideals. If anyone can provide the cliff notes to how they have so much control over things I'd be interested in hearing it. Sounds dysfunctional and detrimental to the vision of the school and athletic programs.
The only response to this injustice would be for the faculty senate, the senior officials in the administration and the study body to publicly proclaim their support for Father Hall .I guess our archbishop never was taught that God loves us all , no matter what our imperfections are.
Thanks be to God, finally the Church is starting to haul in clerics who lead the faithful astray. "Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor sodomites nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Cor.6:9-10
"...Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved." (Catechism of the Catholic Church 2357).
"...Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved." (Catechism of the Catholic Church 2357).
Leviticus 25:44 says: "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves."
Catholicman what type of slaves do you own because you know the bible says it's ok so it must be the word of God. See what's frustrating for most Catholics like me (the ones that believe in dinosaurs) are that people like you are the reason the Catholic Church is going the way of dinosaurs. Keep selective quoting the bible verses as the reason for your ignorance and hate, which will continue to drive the Catholic Church into irrelevance...
Stick with the New Testament Jimmyd, it will take you places!
Kingdom of God sounds like a pretty lousy place. Glad I won't be inheriting it.
1 Corinthians 14: "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."
Correct me if I'm wrong but in addition to slaves I can also tell my wife or daughters to keep quiet according to the "new" Testimate right? I'm pretty sure I can also make them cover their hair right?
Surprised they didn't just transfer him to another catholic college and not tell anyone.
Two words "dinosaurs" or evolution. You keep living by your doctrine, ignoring the reality that maybe just maybe the stupid things the bible says are just stupid things, and I'll keep supporting my sinner gays and lesbians friends. I've put SHU on notice my annual $20k donation to Pirate Blue is "at risk" until I understand what really happened and I hope others do the same. At the very least the school needs to come out and publically support the priest and any gay or lesbian student's rights.
With all due respect to my fellow Seton Hall friends and family:
1) Seton Hall is a Catholic university. If you had/have an issue with the Catholic faith, perhaps attending a Catholic university wasn't the best idea.
2) if you indeed are a practicing Catholic - or aspire to be one - you can not simply pick and choose what you "agree with." The Catholic faith is not a la carte. Have some humility - before automatically assuming the 2,000 yo faith founded by Jesus Christ and his apostles is "wrong," perhaps spend some time understanding it first.
3) Dont have a knee jerk and naive response to the Warren Hall situation - based on a single tweet of HIS. He patently didn't get removed just for one post. He had a long history of agitating against church teaching. Being a good priest isn't about making kids think you are "cool," it's about ministering to their spiritual health. Frankly, a read through his tweets raise some serious questions about his ministerial suitability as well as personal maturity.
Furthermore, for the legion of self-ascribed management experts on this board, which organization would ever tolerate a high profile and influential representative consistently and publicly contradicting it's stated principles? The shocking thing isn't that Hall was removed yesterday, it's frankly that he lasted this long thumbing his nose at the church.
1) Seton Hall is a Catholic university. If you had/have an issue with the Catholic faith, perhaps attending a Catholic university wasn't the best idea.
2) if you indeed are a practicing Catholic - or aspire to be one - you can not simply pick and choose what you "agree with." The Catholic faith is not a la carte. Have some humility - before automatically assuming the 2,000 yo faith founded by Jesus Christ and his apostles is "wrong," perhaps spend some time understanding it first.
3) Dont have a knee jerk and naive response to the Warren Hall situation - based on a single tweet of HIS. He patently didn't get removed just for one post. He had a long history of agitating against church teaching. Being a good priest isn't about making kids think you are "cool," it's about ministering to their spiritual health. Frankly, a read through his tweets raise some serious questions about his ministerial suitability as well as personal maturity.
Furthermore, for the legion of self-ascribed management experts on this board, which organization would ever tolerate a high profile and influential representative consistently and publicly contradicting it's stated principles? The shocking thing isn't that Hall was removed yesterday, it's frankly that he lasted this long thumbing his nose at the church.
I'm not the praying type but if there is a god, he will have Derrick Gordon come to SHU and Derrick will continue to publicly talk about growing up around ignorant Catholics that are more interested in transferring pedophile gay priests from church to church, than embracing all people. As an SHU alumni it will be great to see SHU connected to the gay and lesbian community via Derrick. Awesome just awesome.
Regarding your point about choosing a catholic university, I think I, like most 35-45 year old alumni, only recently realize how ignorant catholic church leaders can be so live and learn...
Regarding your point about choosing a catholic university, I think I, like most 35-45 year old alumni, only recently realize how ignorant catholic church leaders can be so live and learn...
2) if you indeed are a practicing Catholic - or aspire to be one - you can not simply pick and choose what you "agree with." The Catholic faith is not a la carte. Have some humility - before automatically assuming the 2,000 yo faith founded by Jesus Christ and his apostles is "wrong," perhaps spend some time understanding it first.
I hate these discussions on this board. However the one thing I will say is that one of the things I am most proud of learning at Seton Hall in numerous Catholic history classes is that this statement is pretty much totally incorrect.
I hate these discussions on this board. However the one thing I will say is that one of the things I am most proud of learning at Seton Hall in numerous Catholic history classes is that this statement is pretty much totally incorrect.
Amazing how the church is so quick to act on a priest who posts on Facebook. Yet hides and covers those priests who commit crimes against children. It's the hypocrisy that is so disturbing. When we talk about pick and choosing what religious doctrines to follow, the Church does that in much more serious matters.
Cern, I agree 100% with what you are saying.
It's very important to differentiate between the doctrine of the Catholic faith and the worldly institution that is the Church.
Doctrine is not flawed and unchanging , reflecting the nature if God. The institution is incredibly flawed and even corrupted, reflecting the nature of man. That's the root cause of all the confusion. While doctrine is if God, the institution is (very much) of man and this world.
In politics, we often say that a population gets the government it deserves. Unfortunately, it seems the same applies to religion: we also get the Church we deserve. The undeniable moral decline and corruption we see in humanity around us is sadly mirrored in the institution of the Catholic Church.
It's very important to differentiate between the doctrine of the Catholic faith and the worldly institution that is the Church.
Doctrine is not flawed and unchanging , reflecting the nature if God. The institution is incredibly flawed and even corrupted, reflecting the nature of man. That's the root cause of all the confusion. While doctrine is if God, the institution is (very much) of man and this world.
In politics, we often say that a population gets the government it deserves. Unfortunately, it seems the same applies to religion: we also get the Church we deserve. The undeniable moral decline and corruption we see in humanity around us is sadly mirrored in the institution of the Catholic Church.
If Rev. Hall had been a pedophile Myers and **** lieutenant, Goodness, would have looked the other way. Seton Hall will never stand up to Myers. They have no balls.
Hope Gordon does not come here.
Hope Gordon does not come here.
It's a reach at best to point towards a few obscure passages as God condemning homosexuality but whatever, maybe the earth is flat and we didn't evolve from apes. Bottom line it will be awesome if we get Derrick on campus as an advocate for the Gay & Lesbian community in Pirate Blue. That's something we can all support!
Mr. Jesus Christ ,
it has come to our attention that your public ministry has gone astray. We have been made aware that you have been spending most of your time with the dregs of society. You are hereby forbidden to engage any further in your associations with prostitutes, tax collectors and are to totally refrain from criticizing the official church. You have been determined to be a rogue acting outside the doctrine of this office and we will not tolerate anything as radical as individual conscience.
Also those way out ideas called the “Beatitudes’ which you have publicly stated are not to apply to any deviants or unnatural acts. This stems from the infallibility of those in charge, and we dismiss that this infallibility was man made for political reasons.
The Archdiocese of Newark
Holy crap. The church has embraced hatred as the standard!!
Williaza01 - you are absolutely correct on this. Sorry C-man - the difference between fundamentalism, Biblicism, fideism (heresies you seem to be espousing) versus the doctrine, is that doctrine has been elaborated, and will continue to be elaborated. That makes all the difference. The contradiction between the verses you quote and the understanding we have now is simply astonishing. The fact is that you continue to advocate hatred of others who are creations of God.
Williaza01 - you are absolutely correct on this. Sorry C-man - the difference between fundamentalism, Biblicism, fideism (heresies you seem to be espousing) versus the doctrine, is that doctrine has been elaborated, and will continue to be elaborated. That makes all the difference. The contradiction between the verses you quote and the understanding we have now is simply astonishing. The fact is that you continue to advocate hatred of others who are creations of God.
I can remember having dinner a good number of years ago with one of our parish priests and 3 other couples and the usual dinner conversation turned when one of the women expressed her rather strong views on the subject of birth control. What he said has always stayed with me as he explained the Church's position and after doing so he eloquently said " of course, one should always follow one's conscience in matters like this."
Should one be replaced for following one's conscience? I believe that's what Father Hall was doing and you can only respect anyone who chooses to do so.
Should one be replaced for following one's conscience? I believe that's what Father Hall was doing and you can only respect anyone who chooses to do so.
*********** Keep your $20k and take gordon with you.
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Anyone know who this homophob is so we can call him out publically? Ignorance behind a message board deserves to be outed.
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