So no one here has voted for or is going to vote for the treasonous coup-attempting felon rapist guy, right?

[chickenbox]

I know folks like to bicker back and forth here and all. And differ on matters of policy.

But I also know there are a lot of conservatives, republicans, and self-identified independents who presumably love the Constitution, representative democracy, and the rule of law. And surely none of them would vote for a demonstrated enemy of all those things. Because that would be debasing and shameful.

Cool.

 

[HALL85]

I know folks like to bicker back and forth here and all. And differ on matters of policy.

But I also know there are a lot of conservatives, republicans, and self-identified independents who presumably love the Constitution, representative democracy, and the rule of law. And surely none of them would vote for a demonstrated enemy of all those things. Because that would be debasing and shameful.

Cool.

Judging by the time stamp and nature of the post I’m going to guess alcohol was involved.

Maybe the question should be, what is wrong with our system and political leadership whereby Trump and Harris are the two candidates?

 

[STLPirate12]

Judging by the time stamp and nature of the post I’m going to guess alcohol was involved.

Maybe the question should be, what is wrong with our system and political leadership whereby Trump and Harris are the two candidates?

That's an easy enough answer - The tribalism of the 2 party system has eroded people's ability to think rationally and pushed both parties to extremes. It's no longer about working together to effectively govern the country, it's just about winning to satisfy a carnal desire for power. It's all vanity and ego feeding.

The most competent, rational people tend to lean more centrist in their views, but centrist views are "boring" so they don't excite the masses to get out and vote the way the extreme candidates do. These people also tend to be smart enough to realize they can make better/more comfortable/safe and out of the spotlight lives for themselves and their families in just about any line of work other than politics.

And then the last piece falls to media - once again, centrist views are boring. The extreme political views generate more clicks and media views, which makes the media companies more money so naturally they commit more time to these candidates, which pushes them and their views even further into the spotlight and causes their ideas to further dominate the conversation. They also tend to draw more emotional reactions from people which had further fed the vicious cycle that's gotten us to where we are now.

 

[HALL85]

Yes, the answer might be easy, but those in power with money (politicians, MSM, wealthy that are using the system , etc.) continue to manipulate the masses.

We can debate his popularity, but IMO there is a large segment of the population that still see Trump as an outsider and a chance for the system to change. They see that group of stakeholders of the current system as not caring about them.

Until we address this, we will continue to have elections like this.

 

[Merge]

Judging by the time stamp and nature of the post I’m going to guess alcohol was involved.

Maybe the question should be, what is wrong with our system and political leadership whereby Trump and Harris are the two candidates?

We’re here because the cult members didn’t budge in their support of Trump while there were better, actual conservatives running and the Democrats wanted to avoid a primary so Harris would not be challenged.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

How can one explain the keynote speaker to the 1996 rnc and the husband who was perhaps the most conservative member of the house in the 90s voting for Harris? Are they both rinos?