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Surprise Surprise

SHallguy2

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As Gomer Pyle use to say Surprise Surprise the violent crime rate went up and not down in 2022. The FBI just adjusted the stats. So instead of going down over 2% it went up over 4%. So if you were quoting government numbers on crime rate you were wrong, and if you used the job numbers that was wrong as well. Keep in mind we are talking 2022 and not 2023. Pretty pathetic to quietly release these numbers 20 days prior to the election. Anyone quoting government stats will need an asterisk from now on. Need to fact check our government.
 
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You're telling half the story. The revision was both a decrease in the number for 2021 and a smaller increase in 2022. Net result is less crime.

For the crime rates of the last 20 years -

2005 was 1st (worst)
2021 was the 20th (best)
2022 - 12th
2023 - 18th

Per 100,000 people, the violent crime rate in 2022 was 377.1. Average of Trump's term was 374.5.
2023 is 368.8.

Also true that Murders jumped in 2020 and didn't decrease in 2021 or 2022 though.
2023 they are back down to 5.7 per 100,000 - or the same as 2017.

The narrative of the increases under Biden just isn't true when you include the most recent data. 2023 is lower than any year Trump was in office.

So, this is something the media should push back on.
 
You're telling half the story. The revision was both a decrease in the number for 2021 and a smaller increase in 2022. Net result is less crime.

For the crime rates of the last 20 years -

2005 was 1st (worst)
2021 was the 20th (best)
2022 - 12th
2023 - 18th

Per 100,000 people, the violent crime rate in 2022 was 377.1. Average of Trump's term was 374.5.
2023 is 368.8.

Also true that Murders jumped in 2020 and didn't decrease in 2021 or 2022 though.
2023 they are back down to 5.7 per 100,000 - or the same as 2017.

The narrative of the increases under Biden just isn't true when you include the most recent data. 2023 is lower than any year Trump was in office.

So, this is something the media should push back on.
Here is how one outlet (ABC) framed it earlier this month.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/violent-crime-103-months-2024-fbi-data/story?id=114380615
 
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Got to be suspicious of anything FBI states when Trump is a candidate given the Comey gang actions in 2016 and Hunter laptop in 2020.They have caused a lot of distrust in the public
 
You're telling half the story. The revision was both a decrease in the number for 2021 and a smaller increase in 2022. Net result is less crime.

For the crime rates of the last 20 years -

2005 was 1st (worst)
2021 was the 20th (best)
2022 - 12th
2023 - 18th

Per 100,000 people, the violent crime rate in 2022 was 377.1. Average of Trump's term was 374.5.
2023 is 368.8.

Also true that Murders jumped in 2020 and didn't decrease in 2021 or 2022 though.
2023 they are back down to 5.7 per 100,000 - or the same as 2017.

The narrative of the increases under Biden just isn't true when you include the most recent data. 2023 is lower than any year Trump was in office.

So, this is something the media should push back on.
@Merge doing Yeoman's fact-checking work as usual. It should be noted also that the original report that kicked off these breathless stories on Fox News, NYP, and elsewhere online was from "RealClear Investigations," which doesn't bother to link to any reports on the FBI website. Which makes sense because as Merge noted above, the story is more nuanced, and the updated figures actually show an overall decrease in total crime reporting in the two years combined (2021 and 2022) than what was previously reported.

The author of the piece is John Lott, a documented liar and hyper-partisan who presents himself as a serious academic. He has some quotes in his article by Carl Moody, who Lott describes as a "professor at the College of William & Mary who specializes in studying crime." It's very interesting that Lott does not mention that he has worked with Moody before. It sure seems like Lott is trying to pass Moody off as an independent academic instead of his buddy and collaborative research partner.

What is even the claim here? That the FBI is covering for Biden/Harris? The FBI Director is a Republican appointed by Trump! You don't think he'd blow the whistle if he got the slightest inkling that he was getting pressure to doctor the numbers?

So if you were quoting government numbers on crime rate you were wrong, and if you used the job numbers that was wrong as well. Keep in mind we are talking 2022 and not 2023. Pretty pathetic to quietly release these numbers 20 days prior to the election. Anyone quoting government stats will need an asterisk from now on. Need to fact check our government.

I don't know if you saw this, but the September jobs report showed upward revisions for July and August. So this claim that they always revise the jobs numbers down after the fact is not true.

"The change in total nonfarm payroll employment for July was revised up by 55,000, from +89,000 to+144,000, and the change for August was revised up by 17,000, from +142,000 to +159,000. With theserevisions, employment in July and August combined is 72,000 higher than previously reported.(Monthly revisions result from additional reports received from businesses and government agenciessince the last published estimates and from the recalculation of seasonal factors.)"

 
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