It was unfortunate that civil rights and social justice outcry had to happen during this time....i am not going to defend looting and vigilantism vs being on the right side of a matter this is apolitcal and has nothing to do with whether one had a nuclear family upbringing...its 20 f*ckin20 and in the middle of a health saga for the era we had to watch a white cop kill a black man over a counterfit 20 dollar bill...and yet here we are we have politicals involved on this, shaming protesters and advocating for the asshats at the shore bars that wanted to have a good time
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Would you call this guy an asshat?
http://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/202...ain-and-goes-inside-to-the-bar-at-restaurant/
You need to spend time in the inner cities. You will hear about people killed for less and all your "movement" is doing is making it easier fot that to happen. I think if people in the inner cities want less police, let them make that decision. My guess is the good people of the city want more police. It shouldn't be because white people who never spent 4 hours in the park in an inner city think it's a good idea.
Guess what, the people of Newark, don't want your opinion if you don't live there. If you want to help, give up your current living and move down to Newark. My bet is you won't.
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Protesters including idiot Murphy should all be shamed, just as the dumbasses at the shore bars. BS makes me laugh thinking washing away the names of presidents from buildings is going to all of a sudden make blacks stop murdering blacks in mass. His wish of less cops will mean more black men murdered, but since it's fellow blacks killing each other nothing to see there.
Yeah, I’m specifically talking about those gathering without masks or at least trying to distance. In the middle of a pandemic, i think that is incredibly irresponsible. To be fair to those protesting I have personally seen locally, the far majority had masks... It’s a hard sell for me to say that you care about the lives of others so you will protest systemic racism, but not take simple precautions to protect the lives of a different group of people by keeping the spread of the virus low.
this is asshatty
https://www.app.com/story/news/heal...cism-over-unmasked-weekend-crowds/3278538001/
i believe murphy will be judged when he is up for reelection....i disagree with parts of how he is doing business here, no accountability at department of labor
i dont need to move to newark to show anything, its my premise that it was unfortunate that these protests happened but its for good hearted reasoning
black on black crime and killing is awful, i dont oppose that view but that is no reason as to why any black or brown person should be treated different in society or by a cop.
your logic is flawed, i can have the opinion that social justice reform is needed, that black lives and minorities matter regardless of where I live or what my background has been
I have taken subways late at night, I been with wall street types that took ace uptown when you see homeless or subway dwellers and they offer nothing to them, I have given 5 10 20 to homeless in the past, maybe you feel they schemed me
I used to do business with the newark bears, i know what newark is like, i went to shu, i know what the areas off exit 144 are like.
I find it interesting that the cities that have had the violent protests and riots are also the ones that have the largest wealth disparities and anchor businesses that have done the least for minorities. NYC, Seattle, San Francisco...big differences between the haves and have nots. Don’t see protests in communities where those disparities are narrow and workforce is more balanced. Mayors of those cities are losing control and COVID is creating an urban flight. NYC is heading back to Dinkens Days. The economy is going to suffer, crime spike and quality of life go in the crapper. It’s already happening, and quickly.
At the end of the day policing is a local issue. Congress has already punted the ball...wow, who could have guessed that. So 20 police forces out of 20,000 will make some changes...As Derrick Coleman once said...”Whoopty Damn Doo”...
At the end of the day policing is a local issue. Congress has already punted the ball...wow, who could have guessed that. So 20 police forces out of 20,000 will make some changes...As Derrick Coleman once said...”Whoopty Damn Doo”...
wealth disparity, look no further than south orange ave....but i know you are gonna come back to me and say i have no plans or solutions for this....here is what i can infer, struggling and poor families don't want to be struggling and poor. i dont think they want to deal with crime and lawlessness.
The fact you think you know those areas because you took a subway late at night or traveled through the area to get to SHU says it all. I coached in North Newark, Ironbound, and West Side park for 10 years. If I told those people that I coached I’ve been down here almost daily 6 months a year, I know Newark, they’d laugh at me. What I saw in 3 hours per day isn’t the true story. Your subway rides, driving through an area, don’t give you the real experience. My parents went to HS in Newark and had to live in a bad area. The fact I never had to experience that is real privilege. It has nothing to do with race. There are white, brown, and black who deal with that unfortunately.
Always offer the homeless food. If they won’t take the food, you got scammed. If they take the food, give them a few bucks. A guy came up to me one time in Penn Station when I was in HS and asked for money, I offered him a bag of peanuts, he asked me if he looked like a squirrel. Needless to say he didn’t get a buck.
You have no ideas...that was obvious a long time ago. Your thing is posting articles...impressive skill.
i commend you for coaching/volunteering in the newark community. but you are painting a picture like DV, i didn't need to see inside the elevator to know what Ray Rice did
Just because I don't live in section 8 housing or the most inexpensive dwelling on a block in a "bad" neighborhood doesn't mean my awareness is blinded, i read and see plenty
if i got schemed i got schemed
In those areas where this a major problem, wouldn’t/shouldn’t “description of the suspect” play a role? Not in Millburn, NJ mind you but in inner cities like Chicago and Baltimore?
here are ideas, poor people/families are hustling to survive daily, maybe enough to send a child to county college and then transfer to an inexpensive state school, that child can work their ass off, being among top candidates entering workforce but will it matter much? and unless there is a tuition program at company they are going to, little chance they are seeking a postgrad degree....this is whats funny when i talk baseball with friends and media types, all the great young white whipper snappers that are front office lead position people at these teams, you wanna know why they got there, their parents on both sides are legacies, so they dicked around at a private undergrad school, did enough for an mba or law school acceptance, did enough to get by there and they can be afforded to not work for money and go intern at a front office for a year, while the black and brown person isn't doing any of that
That’s on a basis of economics, not race. Rich people have an advantage. There are rich black and brown people who can do the same thing. There are poor white people who don’t have opportunities. It has nothing to do with race. Zip, zilch, nada.
The key to earning more money is education. The wealth disparity stuff is a red herring. Those folks in the upper middle class earned their lifestyles.
If you follow baseball as a sport you just presented misguided info...more soon
Go to this link wiki current gms...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_general_managers
Of the 30, michael hill is half cuban half african american played football and baseball at harvard
Al avila is latin american
Alex anthopulos is greek canadian
The others all white early 30s to late 40s
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So you just arbitrarily select the sport of baseball?
Half of big East coaches are black.
sample size of 30. Can you give me the breakdown of the gms of the Korean and Japanese leagues?
Do you think CNN and MSNBC have the same problem? Do those stations have the same problem as baseball? Does WFAN have the same problem?
I used my story with a premise...fewer minority rich families, lesser pool of opportunities...my point is white baseball gms could intern and basically afford to not have a real earnings while the minority is not afforded that luxury
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Huh? Do only white people intern? I think most of these GMs get their starts in baseball because of the moneyball analytical approach to the game now. Kids with advanced degrees are in demand. It has nothing to do with white or black as much as you want it to.
For the sport of baseball and MLB those are the 30 most coveted jobs there are.
I personally believe wfan does not represent the market demographic they are in...loved listening to tony paige but i am not bringing up talent chances in broadcast media or radio, i gave my backstory with a relation to baseball front offices.
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This has got to be one of your denser arguments yet, which is saying something
You are the king of cherry picking.
B/S Mike Chernoff is the son who's father has been at CBS and WFAN radio for years, he played at Pingry School and then was a SS at Princeton where he hit 244 for his college career...he got an internship in the indians front office cause mark shapiro also played baseball at princeton and laddered up
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Who would hire anyone with a Princeton education? What did Cashman hit in college?
Eh i think its circumstance, you can be a wiz at computers, it, security and consult and be well off...you can fail into a union job somewhere not ever worry about your status and be well off...you can be a wiz poker person and become well off...you can crush day trading and become well off...you can be a daily fantasy guy and be well off
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Maybe this so help you understand more about baseball front offices, you do have the rantings of a lunatic.
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HOW THE IVY LEAGUE TOOK OVER MLB FRONT OFFICES
10/24/2017 2:00:00 PM
By Mitchell Forde, IvyLeague.com Contributor
Fourteen years ago, when Mike Chernoff was asked for his input on a potential trade for the first time, he was terrified.
The future general manager of the Cleveland Indians was an intern with the team at the time. He had graduated from Princeton a few months earlier, in the spring of 2003. His typical intern duties involved tasks like charting pitches thrown in minor league games.
So when former general manager Mark Shapiro stopped by Chernoff’s desk one day and asked Chernoff his opinion on a trade Shapiro was considering, Chernoff took the question seriously.
“I stayed up all night thinking about it and gathering as much information as I could, reading every scouting report we had, calling our scouts, and I put together a summary for him of what I thought we should do,” Chernoff explained.
Seeing the analytical approach behind front office decisions served as a career tipping point for Chernoff, an ex-player who grew up dreaming about making it in the bigs, not watching from a front office window. That approach is emblematic of a shift in how Major League Baseball decisions are being made, a shift that makes guys like Chernoff—a former ballplayer with an Ivy League education—very appealing.
Nearly half of the 30 MLB clubs (14, to be exact) have an Ivy League graduate as either general manager or president of baseball operations. That doesn’t include Shapiro, now the President and CEO of the Toronto Blue Jays, or Peter Woodfork, the MLB’s Senior Vice President for Baseball Operations. Nor does that account for the litany of Ivy League alumni working in lower-ranking front office roles.
When the World Series begins tonight, there will be Ivy Leaguers on both sides. Astros general manager Jeff Luhnow is a Penn alum, and Megan Schroeder, the manager of the Dodgers’ research and development department, graduated from Yale.
That’s not a coincidence.
A Perfect Fit for a Changing Game
Chernoff, like Woodfork and Oakland A’s GM David Forst, came to his front office gig reluctantly. The three, all infielders in college, planned on playing baseball, not managing it. But upon realizing their chances of making it to the major leagues as players were slim, the three turned to front office work as an alternative.
“There was nothing else I really wanted to do other than be in baseball in one way or another,” Forst said. “The idea of winning or losing every night, it was going to be hard to replicate in any other industry…This was the next best thing to still being on the field.”
The reason there was such a demand for Ivy League graduates within major league front offices lies in the changes that were sweeping baseball around the turn of the century.
Clubs were beginning to rely more on statistics and analytics and less on scouting reports as predictors of player success. As a result, playing in the major leagues became less of a requirement for someone looking to break into baseball operations. The ability to crunch numbers and analyze data became just as important as the ability to assess a pitcher’s stuff.
Honestly i have to say this and i know i am gonna get so much heel heat for it...what value does graduating from an ivy school really get someone? Its a class and prestige thing right? I mean i know the history and all but its the glamour.
Let me tell you something at my last full time role i worked at, there were two harvard people there. I found them to be the two most aloof people i have come across in that industry which crosses multiple backgrounds and levels of education. It really made me ask wow this person was accepted into and walked at Harvard.
In my experiece have found penn brown, columbia and cornell alumni to be fine people, princeton and harvard alumni to be elite snobs, cant say much on dartmouth
And you know what i dont care if they will have more career earnings than me by a galaxy
Advanced analytics in baseball has its positives but it also has led to a more boring sport...the A's invented moneyball/analytical approach...they probably should have gotten atleast one world series, good young starting rotation, and preached ways to get on base and have patience in the box...but it doesnt take an ivy league number cruncher to be an effective baseball ops lead...go be a doctor or lawyer and do some goodMaybe this so help you understand more about baseball front offices, you do have the rantings of a lunatic.
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HOW THE IVY LEAGUE TOOK OVER MLB FRONT OFFICES
10/24/2017 2:00:00 PM
By Mitchell Forde, IvyLeague.com Contributor
Fourteen years ago, when Mike Chernoff was asked for his input on a potential trade for the first time, he was terrified.
The future general manager of the Cleveland Indians was an intern with the team at the time. He had graduated from Princeton a few months earlier, in the spring of 2003. His typical intern duties involved tasks like charting pitches thrown in minor league games.
So when former general manager Mark Shapiro stopped by Chernoff’s desk one day and asked Chernoff his opinion on a trade Shapiro was considering, Chernoff took the question seriously.
“I stayed up all night thinking about it and gathering as much information as I could, reading every scouting report we had, calling our scouts, and I put together a summary for him of what I thought we should do,” Chernoff explained.
Seeing the analytical approach behind front office decisions served as a career tipping point for Chernoff, an ex-player who grew up dreaming about making it in the bigs, not watching from a front office window. That approach is emblematic of a shift in how Major League Baseball decisions are being made, a shift that makes guys like Chernoff—a former ballplayer with an Ivy League education—very appealing.
Nearly half of the 30 MLB clubs (14, to be exact) have an Ivy League graduate as either general manager or president of baseball operations. That doesn’t include Shapiro, now the President and CEO of the Toronto Blue Jays, or Peter Woodfork, the MLB’s Senior Vice President for Baseball Operations. Nor does that account for the litany of Ivy League alumni working in lower-ranking front office roles.
When the World Series begins tonight, there will be Ivy Leaguers on both sides. Astros general manager Jeff Luhnow is a Penn alum, and Megan Schroeder, the manager of the Dodgers’ research and development department, graduated from Yale.
That’s not a coincidence.
A Perfect Fit for a Changing Game
Chernoff, like Woodfork and Oakland A’s GM David Forst, came to his front office gig reluctantly. The three, all infielders in college, planned on playing baseball, not managing it. But upon realizing their chances of making it to the major leagues as players were slim, the three turned to front office work as an alternative.
“There was nothing else I really wanted to do other than be in baseball in one way or another,” Forst said. “The idea of winning or losing every night, it was going to be hard to replicate in any other industry…This was the next best thing to still being on the field.”
The reason there was such a demand for Ivy League graduates within major league front offices lies in the changes that were sweeping baseball around the turn of the century.
Clubs were beginning to rely more on statistics and analytics and less on scouting reports as predictors of player success. As a result, playing in the major leagues became less of a requirement for someone looking to break into baseball operations. The ability to crunch numbers and analyze data became just as important as the ability to assess a pitcher’s stuff.
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Can you imagine if a cop ever said in my experience with people of color.... You would be the first one going crazy. You just stereotyped/profiled people from entire universities when I doubt you know 0.1% of their alums. Tell me how this works you can profile groups of people? Those Ivy League snobs as you call them can’t follow their passion, they need to be doctors or lawyers. As long as you profile not on race it must be ok.
You need a little drive, some intelligence, a good work ethic, and a little luck. Sometimes, the first three creates the fourth.
I had a $100 in my bank account when I graduated high school. Earned every dime of what I have now.
Cashman played at d3 catholic and actually had a program record for.hits which was since broken, he played 2nd base...but his father was a big harness racing industry guy and had ties to steinbrenner so cashman has been involved with yankees since intern of 1986 summer period
Found this quote from an older hardball talk article...
[At the Winter Meetings], I interviewed with three teams. Every kid/adult or whatever you wanna call them, was white. They were all white, with expensive degrees. I spoke to four guys who were interviewing with one of the teams I was and they all BRAGGED about how their parents had enough money to pay for their apartment/car/insurance and whatever comes with moving for a job.
What about me? I can’t do that. We’re living off refund checks, and McDonald’s for dinner. But who cares? I know this is going to work one way or another. I have my contacts and all that BS. But at the end of the day, will a team hire a young Latin American kid who wants to learn, wants to guarantee his fiancée a better life down the road, and wants to help his own family eventually, or will they hire the 24-year-old in a slick suit who graduated from Yale with a degree in economics and can live in the office 24 hours a day with no outside responsibilities? Easy answer. I don’t fault teams for hiring qualified candidates. But I really don’t know why they sit there and gripe about diversity problems when the answer is right in front them.
[At the Winter Meetings], I interviewed with three teams. Every kid/adult or whatever you wanna call them, was white. They were all white, with expensive degrees. I spoke to four guys who were interviewing with one of the teams I was and they all BRAGGED about how their parents had enough money to pay for their apartment/car/insurance and whatever comes with moving for a job.
What about me? I can’t do that. We’re living off refund checks, and McDonald’s for dinner. But who cares? I know this is going to work one way or another. I have my contacts and all that BS. But at the end of the day, will a team hire a young Latin American kid who wants to learn, wants to guarantee his fiancée a better life down the road, and wants to help his own family eventually, or will they hire the 24-year-old in a slick suit who graduated from Yale with a degree in economics and can live in the office 24 hours a day with no outside responsibilities? Easy answer. I don’t fault teams for hiring qualified candidates. But I really don’t know why they sit there and gripe about diversity problems when the answer is right in front them.
That stinks, but at the same time there are plenty of people who go out to Hollywood and sleep on a friends couch and bus tables trying to get into show business. You also have rich people who go out there living in luxury apartments and spend hours per day in acting classes. Not everybody has an equal starting point. No matter how you slice it, that's going to be the case anywhere in the world. Supposedly if you want it bad enough you'll find a way to make it happen. Countless stories of people being rejected and fighting through rejection to get their dreams.
At the same time people have responsibilities. My cousin played for the Hall and was drafted. He spent a few years in the minors but could bang around the minors for so long. At some point you have responsibilities and can't be making a couple hundred per month. At the same time, others who come from much wealthier families could bang around the minors for 8-10 years. Your economic upbringing factors into all of that. I have plenty of sports marketing stories from people in the business who will tell you so many people want to be involved you have plenty of people willing to work for practically nothing. It's a tough business to learn the ropes if money is important right out of school. If you opened a business tomorrow, you hiring the kid who needs a $50k salary or you hiring the kid who is equally qualified who is willing to make $30k, or are you making the decision based on race? Personally, I'm making the decision to take the equally qualified young person willing to work for $20K less.
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There are organizations that will weight the college heavily for a candidate, but my experience is that it is just one piece of data. That Ivy League kid may get more interviews or a shot based on who his parents have contacts, but eventually you have to perform. Personally, I would give the opportunity to the kid that came prepared, had good values and had that hunger to do well.
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