Tariffs?

[HALL85]

https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/trump-pause-mexico-tariffs-after-deal/

Mexico and Canada fold on tariffs. 10,000 Mexican troops on the border; Canada also defines cartels as terrorist organizations and committing to secure the border. Meanwhile Shumer is holding up a bottle of Modelo and an avocado…

Will it hold? We’ll see.

 

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Will it hold? We’ll see.

I think tariffs with Canada and Mexico are bad policy in general, so if the threat of them makes those counties control the border from trafficking more effectively, and we don't actually impose tariffs, that's a win in my book.

 

[shu09]

Pretty well done by Trump, everyone has caved to his threats so far. We'll see what happens in the 30 day window.

It's funny. The media, Dems, etc. all say that tariffs only hurt the consumer in the importing country. If that's the case, I find it interesting that these other countries are so upset about the tariffs threatened to be imposed on them. If it only hurt the consumers in America, why would they care? Another dumb talking point by the liberal media trying to set the narrative.

 

[cernjSHU]

Pretty well done by Trump, everyone has caved to his threats so far. We'll see what happens in the 30 day window.

It's funny. The media, Dems, etc. all say that tariffs only hurt the consumer in the importing country. If that's the case, I find it interesting that these other countries are so upset about the tariffs threatened to be imposed on them. If it only hurt the consumers in America, why would they care? Another dumb talking point by the liberal media trying to set the narrative.

I wonder about these tariffs. Wasn’t there going to be blanket tariffs on all countries to get rid of the income tax? So Canada and Mexico do an agreement just to have it fall due to trying to get rid of the income tax?

Right now, Trump is employing tariffs as a negotiating tool. But he has also said that tariffs will replace the income tax.

 

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It's funny. The media, Dems, etc. all say that tariffs only hurt the consumer in the importing country. If that's the case, I find it interesting that these other countries are so upset about the tariffs threatened to be imposed on them. If it only hurt the consumers in America, why would they care? Another dumb talking point by the liberal media trying to set the narrative.

The media went after the claim that the foreign countries are paying, because that is just not true. They do not pay the tariff, importers pay the tariff and pass on the tax to the consumer.

It is both true that they would hurt the American consumer because prices will increase, and it will hurt foreign businesses because exports will decrease

 

[shu09]

I wonder about these tariffs. Wasn’t there going to be blanket tariffs on all countries to get rid of the income tax? So Canada and Mexico do an agreement just to have it fall due to trying to get rid of the income tax?

Right now, Trump is employing tariffs as a negotiating tool. But he has also said that tariffs will replace the income tax.

It's absolutely a negotiating tool, and a good one. Over the years I have learned that you can't take Trump literally most of the time. Saying tariffs will replace the income tax is one of those times. Just campaign hot air.

 

[shu09]

The media went after the claim that the foreign countries are paying, because that is just not true. They do not pay the tariff, importers pay the tariff and pass on the tax to the consumer.

It is both true that they would hurt the American consumer because prices will increase, and it will hurt foreign businesses because exports will decrease

I know how they work. But I just find it funny that these countries have such a visceral reaction to even the threat imposed on their exports. They know that it hurts them, but the Dems won't tell you that.

 

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I wonder about these tariffs. Wasn’t there going to be blanket tariffs on all countries to get rid of the income tax? So Canada and Mexico do an agreement just to have it fall due to trying to get rid of the income tax?

Right now, Trump is employing tariffs as a negotiating tool. But he has also said that tariffs will replace the income tax.

I'm going to do my best to not judge Trump by his words.
About 90% of the stuff he has said about tariffs is nonsense, so maybe he wants the foreign leaders to think he is just crazy so they cave to something he wants.

So far it seems to be working.

 

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I know how they work. But I just find it funny that these countries have such a visceral reaction to even the threat imposed on their exports. They know that it hurts them, but the Dems won't tell you that.

To be fair, politicians in the US should be worried about how policies impact their constituents first.
"This is going to hurt Mexicans" is not a very compelling argument for most Americans.

 

[shu09]

To be fair, politicians in the US should be worried about how policies impact their constituents first.
"This is going to hurt Mexicans" is not a very compelling argument for most Americans.

SMH, not the point. The point is the US politicians mislead the public about the implications of tariffs, just to cause fear and score political points against the president. They assertively state that tariffs only hurt the US consumer and nobody else. That is not entirely true and anyone with a brain knows it. It's why Mexico and Canada immediately caved to just the possibility of them being implemented.

 

[HALL85]

I'm going to do my best to not judge Trump by his words.
About 90% of the stuff he has said about tariffs is nonsense, so maybe he wants the foreign leaders to think he is just crazy so they cave to something he wants.

So far it seems to be working.

My sense is that tariffs will only come into play with China ultimately and he’s using the threats to other countries for negotiating. Trump is going to be judged on 1) border security/immigration 2) restructuring the government/cost reductions and 3) negotiating peace in Ukraine and the Middle East.

If inflation stays dialed in at around 2% for the the next two years, those that elected him will likely give him a pass if those three things happen.

 

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The point is the US politicians mislead the public about the implications of tariffs, just to cause fear and score political points against the president. They assertively state that tariffs only hurt the US consumer and nobody else.

I haven't seen anyone assertively state that tariffs don't hurt other countries. Do you have an example? I know Schumer said for example that he should focus on China instead of "attacking our allies" which would seem to suggest that he is being honest that tariffs hurt Americans and our trading partners, no?

 

[SJGuy410]

I do think he has in mind starting a universal tariff, in conjunction with a corporate and income tax reduction. Scott Bessent has mentioned starting at 2.5% and slowly ramping up over time.

 

[shu09]

I haven't seen anyone assertively state that tariffs don't hurt other countries. Do you have an example? I know Schumer said for example that he should focus on China instead of "attacking our allies" which would seem to suggest that he is being honest that tariffs hurt Americans and our trading partners, no?

Man, you're a master twister of words. Shame on you, really. And shame on me for continuing to engage with you.

I said political and media types have assertively said that tariffs only hurt US consumers.

 

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Man, you're a master twister of words. Shame on you, really. And shame on me for continuing to engage with you.

I said political and media types have assertively said that tariffs only hurt US consumers.

lol… what? I just asked you for an example. I have no idea what you’re referring to when you said people were suggesting that other countries won’t be harmed. Asking for an example is too much?

The media, Dems, etc.

US politicians mislead the public about the implications of tariffs

How am I possibly twisting your words? You are literally saying democratic politicians are saying tariffs don’t hurt other countries, all I asked was for an example.

I don't watch news on TV so it’s entirely possible someone did say that. I was just asking you for context about something you said…

 

[HALL85]

I do think he has in mind starting a universal tariff, in conjunction with a corporate and income tax reduction. Scott Bessent has mentioned starting at 2.5% and slowly ramping up over time.

I just don’t see that happening…he’s got an aggressive agenda and he is going to need a lot of Congressional support over the next 16-18 months.

 

[shu09]

lol… what? I just asked you for an example. I have no idea what you’re referring to when you said people were suggesting that other countries won’t be harmed. Asking for an example is too much?






How am I possibly twisting your words? You are literally saying democratic politicians are saying tariffs don’t hurt other countries, all I asked was for an example.

I don't watch news on TV so it’s entirely possible someone did say that. I was just asking you for context about something you said…

You're kidding, right?

They assertively state that tariffs only hurt the US consumer and nobody else.

I haven't seen anyone assertively state that tariffs don't hurt other countries.

Completely different phrasing, yet you tried to make it seem like I said something else (what you posted above), because you damn well know that no politician has said that and that it isn't even the point of this discussion. That's what you do, you twist other people's words and dive into convoluted arguments to hide. I am done with you. Don't ever reply to me again.

 

[SHallguy2]

I know how they work. But I just find it funny that these countries have such a visceral reaction to even the threat imposed on their exports. They know that it hurts them, but the Dems won't tell you that.

Tariffs would have crippled Canada’s economy, but tariffs on Mexico would have hurt both economies. Trump is a man with a purpose this time around, honestly believe he views his presidency different this time. He’s all business.

 

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You're kidding, right?



Completely different phrasing, yet you tried to make it seem like I said something else (what you posted above), because you damn well know that no politician has said that and that it isn't even the point of this discussion. That's what you do, you twist other people's words and dive into convoluted arguments to hide. I am done with you. Don't ever reply to me again.

Good lord…

US politicians mislead the public about the implications of tariffs, just to cause fear and score political points against the president. They assertively state that tariffs only hurt the US consumer and nobody else.

All I wanted was context. Maybe one example of what you’re referring to?

I’m not playing gotcha. You said the words, Who is the “they” you are referring to? I was literally curious about what you were referring to.

I based on the replies, I’m guessing what you meant was that all they “politicians, media etc” ever talk about is the impact to the US consumer and ignore the impact to other countries?

Just a guess though, I might be twisting your words.