The Bloom is off the Rose

[Halldan1]

Pete Rose’s request for baseball reinstatement denied by MLB commissioner Rob Manfred

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Monday, December 14, 2015, 12:16 PM

Anonymous/AP
Pete Rose, baseball's all-time hit leader, has been barred from the game since 1989.

Pete Rose won’t be back in baseball any time soon.

MLB commissioner Rob Manfred has rejected Rose’s application for reinstatement, the New York Times reported Monday, citing three sources. MLB has not announced its decision.

Rose was banned from the game in 1989 by Bart Giamatti after it was discovered that he had bet on baseball, which he denied for nearly two decades.

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This is the third time Rose has applied for reinstatement; Fay Vincent denied his request in 1992, Bud Selig denied him in 1997 and now Manfred has shut the door on Rose.

Baseball’s all-time hit king, Rose is not in the sport’s Hall of Fame.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/pete-rose-lifetime-ban-upheld-mlb-article-1.2465390

 

[Piratz]

Why do they continue to perform this tap dance every few years? All it does is fuel a fire that will never be put out by any Commissioner.

 

[Vegas pj]

Good news for the integrity of baseball.

 

[catholicman]

Rose needs to do public penance for his sins against baseball: Apologize wholeheartedly, admit that his lying made things worse, become involved in a gambler support group and become one who speaks publicly about the dangers and damage of gambling addictions. Unfortunately, he continues to be a self-serving, insanely narcissistic man. The baseball commissioner should tell him to take a hike.

 

[Halldan1]

The same personality traits that made him a great ballplayer have kept him out of the HOF.

Can't see that ever changing.

 

[Shuathelete]

Good news for the integrity of baseball.

im not familiar with the integrity of baseball. am i too young to have read that book?

 

[cernjSHU]

Pete Rose deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. If you really want to punish him, you say that upon death, his career will be put up for a vote to be inducted. With that being said, he should never be involved with baseball. I don't even think he should be an announcer during a baseball game.

 

[Halldan1]

Looks like Rose placed bets as a player and not just as a manager.



Rose told the commissioner in his latest appeal he bet on the Reds to win every game so as not to give the appearance to those aware of his activities that he thought the Reds likely to lose on the days he did not bet on the team.

But the new evidence, a betting diary of one of his cohorts, documented Rose did not bet on the Reds in every game.



http://nypost.com/2015/12/14/commissioner-saw-right-through-pete-roses-nice-guy-charade/

 

[sami]

So, since he has clearly demonstrated that he is a habitual liar, why would the next commissioner believe his line of bullshit? The story keeps evolving, until he finally admits that he fixed games in one way or another.

 

[Shuathelete]

Canseco, Bonds, ARod, McGuire, and Sosa all get one year to juice as much as possible for a home run derby competition. Winner gets into the hall of fame. If Pete Rose bets on the right one he gets in too.

 

[SHUMatt]

Good news for the integrity of baseball.

 

[Hall91]

if Rose ever gets into the HoF, will only be when he's dead.

 

[SHUMatt]

Baseball players who have beaten their wives/girlfriends, done every drug imaginable, steroids, DWI’s etc… and have been able to remain in baseball. He has shown that he can’t be trusted enough to ever manage or coach but keeping him out of the hall of fame seem a bit hypocritical to me on MLB’s part.

 

[Vegas pj]

Rose needs to do public penance for his sins against baseball: Apologize wholeheartedly, admit that his lying made things worse, become involved in a gambler support group and become one who speaks publicly about the dangers and damage of gambling addictions. Unfortunately, he continues to be a self-serving, insanely narcissistic man. The baseball commissioner should tell him to take a hike.

When

Rose will be contrite. Until then, not gonna happen for reasons you stated.

 

[Vegas pj]

Pete Rose deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. If you really want to punish him, you say that upon death, his career will be put up for a vote to be inducted. With that being said, he should never be involved with baseball. I don't even think he should be an announcer during a baseball game.

That's probably what's going to happen. They're not going to give him the satisfaction of being inducted in person, especially since he annually makes a mockery of the induction ceremony. Although Shoeless Joe Jackson is still left out in the outfield. So maybe Pete can join him in his field of dreams.

His contributions to the World Series this year were worthless. He should be banned from that to and just let him sign autographs for beau coup bucks. He's good at that and he can go to the sports book and gamble on, say it ain't so Joe, baseball!

 

[anon_4htvdezyfe7k9]

how much does MLB get from draft kings and fan duel every year? Not saying Rose should be let back in but on the surface there's some serious hypocrisy involved here.

 

[hallgrad80]

Bill Madden says that Rose lied to the Commissioner at his latest hearing . When asked if he was still gambling Rose said he was but not on baseball. During a recess Rose's lawyers ( according to Madden ) asked Pete if the question about currently betting on baseball came up and Rose said he lied to them. When Rose when back into the hearing , he admitted he was still betting on baseball but by then the damage was done.

What a fool to screw up your case by lying again and according to Madden , Rose's lawyers told him not to lie even about his continued betting on baseball but he did.

 

[SnakeTom]

Pete Rose belongs in the HOF for his accomplishments on the field as a player. The gambling charges were after his playing career. He was a great player & should be so honored.

For what it is worth same goes for Shoeless Joe Jackson who was acquitted of all charges by a jury after trial. Yet baseball's Commissioner still found him guilty.

Tom K

 

[SPK145]

So, since he has clearly demonstrated that he is a habitual liar,

So you're saying he should run for president?

 

[Vegas pj]

Pete Rose belongs in the HOF for his accomplishments on the field as a player. The gambling charges were after his playing career. He was a great player & should be so honored.

For what it is worth same goes for Shoeless Joe Jackson who was acquitted of all charges by a jury after trial. Yet baseball's Commissioner still found him guilty.

Tom K

Agree as to Shoeless Joe, but respectfully disagree as to Clueless Pete.

 

[garyshu71]

Pete Rose belongs in the HOF for his accomplishments on the field as a player. The gambling charges were after his playing career. He was a great player & should be so honored.

For what it is worth same goes for Shoeless Joe Jackson who was acquitted of all charges by a jury after trial. Yet baseball's Commissioner still found him guilty.

Tom K

But he broke the rules during his career and then lied about it over and over.. It doesn't matter when he was found out. I don't get your point???

 

[HALL85]

Rose needs to do public penance for his sins against baseball: Apologize wholeheartedly, admit that his lying made things worse, become involved in a gambler support group and become one who speaks publicly about the dangers and damage of gambling addictions. Unfortunately, he continues to be a self-serving, insanely narcissistic man. The baseball commissioner should tell him to take a hike.

I actually saw Rose at a luncheon in Allentown three weeks ago and the HOF came up and he was surprisingly contrite and took full responsibility for his actions. I was never a Rose fan, but you can't dispute his accomplishments on the field and this integrity of the game stuff is over the top. Put an asterisk, bar his participation in MLB, etc. At least his records are PED free.

Pete has no filter and he was hilarious, irreverent, brash and is certainly not PC. Didn't know his dad and Don Zimmer's dad were best friends and went to the track every day...go figure. Also "Charlie Hustle" nickname was coined by Mantle.

 

[SnakeTom]

Using another sport the NFL as an example of the way this should have been handled in 1963 Both Paul Hornung and Alex Karras were suspended by the league for one year for gambling. Both were reinstated a year later & resumed their careers. Hornung was eventually voted into the NFL Hall of Fame while Karras was not though he was voted to the All Decade team for the 1960's. This is the way it should be handled. Put Pete on the ballot and let the voters decide just as they can decide about Bonds, Clemmens or McGwire. Leave it up to the voters.

Also as another poster stated baseball is very sanctimonious about gambling, yet accepts millions in fees from the likes of Draft King and Fan Duel. Seems like just a bit of Hippocracy to me.

Tom K

 

[hallgrad80]

MLB has not banned Pete Rose from being put on the H.O.F. Ballot , the Hall of Fame itself voted to deny eligibility to any player, manager, et al who has been permently banned by MLB. Let's not forget that Rose bet on baseball games while a player and that is in my mind a difference maker.

 

[SnakeTom]

MLB has not banned Pete Rose from being put on the H.O.F. Ballot , the Hall of Fame itself voted to deny eligibility to any player, manager, et al who has been permently banned by MLB. Let's not forget that Rose bet on baseball games while a player and that is in my mind a difference maker.

There were recent rumors that he bet on games while a player but same were never proven. The reason he was banned was for betting on his own team while a manager. Secondly using the example of the NFL, Hornumg & Karras did bet on their own teams while they were players. But the NFL sanctions were much less harsh.

Tom K

 

[SPK145]

What is so wrong about betting on your team? Should be done more often, ie, compensation should be more tied to team results.

Betting against your team, that's the bright line for me.

Pete Rose should be in the HOF.

 

[2timealum]

Forget his gambling misdeeds--he should be banned for life because of the pee wee Herman outfits he wore while working TV this past postseason. The only thing missing from his outfits was the squirting flower on his lapel.

 

[Halldan1]

There were recent rumors that he bet on games while a player but same were never proven. The reason he was banned was for betting on his own team while a manager. Secondly using the example of the NFL, Hornumg & Karras did bet on their own teams while they were players. But the NFL sanctions were much less harsh.

Tom K

Tom, that's changed. Check out the link I posted above. He bet on games as a player and as a manager.

Too any excuses being given to this guy.

I am shocked how few it seems understand the severity of a player and a manager betting on games he was involved in.

That is an ultimate no no in sports and those in baseball's hierarchy have every right to discipline a him as harshly as they have done.

 

[Halldan1]

What is so wrong about betting on your team? Should be done more often, ie, compensation should be more tied to team results.

Betting against your team, that's the bright line for me.

Pete Rose should be in the HOF.

Huh?

You're the player/manager and you bet on your team so now you have extra incentive to make choices you might not make in the long run.

1. Keep a starting pitcher in the game longer than you might not worrying about pitch count.

2. Bring in a star reliever far sooner than normal or maybe a 3rd/4th game in a row.

3. Not rest a position player who needs rest.

4. Possess inside info on the health of your team and possibly the health of the opposition.

5. Knowing in advance that you are going to bet on a game in the future so you manager games leading up to that one by resting certain relievers to ensure they are strong when needed.

6. Lose so much money bettering that you fall prey to bookies and such.

I could go on and on. But there's no need. Playing, managing and then betting on games equals just what Rose got. Banishment.

 

[HALL85]

Huh?

You're the player/manager and you bet on your team so now you have extra incentive to make choices you might not make in the long run.

1. Keep a starting pitcher in the game longer than you might not worrying about pitch count.

2. Bring in a star reliever far sooner than normal or maybe a 3rd/4th game in a row.

3. Not rest a position player who needs rest.

4. Possess inside info on the health of your team and possibly the health of the opposition.

5. Knowing in advance that you are going to bet on a game in the future so you manager games leading up to that one by resting certain relievers to ensure they are strong when needed.

6. Lose so much money bettering that you fall prey to bookies and such.

I could go on and on. But there's no need. Playing, managing and then betting on games equals just what Rose got. Banishment.

And, how about adding all of the managers that look the other way when they know PED use is rampant in their clubhouse? That's why I said before this integrity of the game argument is BS. Rose is no choirboy and quite frankly my sense is that he has a very blurry line when it comes to right and wrong. And he self-absorbed. But let's not hold him to a different standard when there are many in baseball who have had similar discretions. It was common knowledge that manhole showed up drunk on some game days.

As a player alone, he deserves to be in the HOF.

 

[bluerock]

The guy is the games all time hit leader. His performance on the field is unequaled. If he threw games I would say he tarnished the game and should not be admitted into HOF. However he bet to win. I know it is still gambling none the less but as far as I am concerned he did not tarnish the games integrity. If you ever saw him play, I did many times, you would know he would do anything for his team to win.
The other mystery is why Shoeless Joe Jackson is not in HOF. He was vindicated in a court of law and batted .375 is a series he was accused of throwing . Others may have been in on Black Sox scandal but it certainly wasn't Joe Jackson.

 

[hallgrad80]

There were recent rumors that he bet on games while a player but same were never proven. The reason he was banned was for betting on his own team while a manager. Secondly using the example of the NFL, Hornumg & Karras did bet on their own teams while they were players. But the NFL sanctions were much less harsh.

Tom K

Tom
A little known fact involving Seton Hall and Pete Rose.
When Rose was dropped from the Red's roster he was replaced by former SH pitcher Pat Pacillo.

 

[SPK145]

Huh?

You're the player/manager and you bet on your team so now you have extra incentive to make choices you might not make in the long run.

1. Keep a starting pitcher in the game longer than you might not worrying about pitch count.

2. Bring in a star reliever far sooner than normal or maybe a 3rd/4th game in a row.

3. Not rest a position player who needs rest.

4. Possess inside info on the health of your team and possibly the health of the opposition.

5. Knowing in advance that you are going to bet on a game in the future so you manager games leading up to that one by resting certain relievers to ensure they are strong when needed.

6. Lose so much money bettering that you fall prey to bookies and such.

I could go on and on. But there's no need. Playing, managing and then betting on games equals just what Rose got. Banishment.

I don't get any of that. If you do any of your points, does that mean you are not trying to win today but are hoping for tomorrow? Looking at his managerial record, he wasn't too shabby. Play to win. always.

Betting on your team should be a requirement.

Now if you say he has no character or integrity, I certainly agree. If that's a disqualifier in athletics, we're not left with much.

 

[Halldan1]

I think the points are very clear.

For instance,

if you intend to target a game to bet on down the road you tailor your decisions, even if that hurts the team before that game to the one you will bet on.

And then in that game you make choices that might not be in the long run advisable.

Like having a pitcher performing well stay in a game well past a pitch limit. Or bringing in your star reliever much sooner than normal and keeping him on the mound longer than usual.

Those are just two examples of many.

A MLB manager has 'inside trading info galore'. His usage of that info not only gives him an unfair advantage but so too can the decisions he makes in a particular game.

And I haven't even touched the subject of Rose losing a lot of money and getting into a very bad situation to those he 'owes'. That kind of long range ramification would be beyond brutal for baseball.

 

[catholicman]

What is so wrong about betting on your team? Should be done more often, ie, compensation should be more tied to team results.

Betting against your team, that's the bright line for me.

Pete Rose should be in the HOF.

His betting was tied in with organized crime. He says he didn't bet against his team, but he lies a lot. He stonewalled the investigation. He had a gambling addiction and got into debt. He still has this problem. No hall of fame for him until he changes.

 

[simone84]

Worse players in the HOF than Rose. He absolutely deserves to be in.

 

[SnakeTom]

... Now if you say he has no character or integrity, I certainly agree. If that's a disqualifier in athletics, we're not left with much.

If character were a requirement why is Ty Cobb in the HOF.

TK

 

[Vegas pj]

Rose was and is a compulsive gambler and liar, who claims he only bet to win. Of course, he claims that after denying he bet on games at all. Credibility here? He has none. He's had several chances to redeem himself and his credibility. Alas, he's a man of character and is consistent. Bad character and a compulsive ambler and liar. No HOF for you Mr. Rose, at least not during your lifetime you piece of scum.

 

[dcPirate]

What is so wrong about betting on your team? Should be done more often, ie, compensation should be more tied to team results.

Betting against your team, that's the bright line for me.

Pete Rose should be in the HOF.

THIS.

Pardon me if it's been said or out there already, but has it been proven he BET AGAINST his team when playing or managing? If so then he deserves all of this. If he always bet on his team to win, fine by me...

 

[SPK145]

If character were a requirement why is Ty Cobb in the HOF.

TK

Or many others.