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The Mega Realignment

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As I have suggested for years the BE needs to expand, most cried no. Now there won't be much of a choice.
What surprises me is the B12 surviving over the Pac.
Sort of like galaxies colliding.
16 teams 4 divisions out to the West Coast.
5 teams added. Bottom division finish no tourney.
 
As I have suggested for years the BE needs to expand, most cried no. Now there won't be much of a choice.
What surprises me is the B12 surviving over the Pac.
Sort of like galaxies colliding.
16 teams 4 divisions out to the West Coast.
5 teams added. Bottom division finish no tourney.
Us expanding would have done nothing for us and will still do nothing for us . Just more mouths to feed with our small TV share .
 
As I have suggested for years the BE needs to expand, most cried no. Now there won't be much of a choice.
What surprises me is the B12 surviving over the Pac.
Sort of like galaxies colliding.
16 teams 4 divisions out to the West Coast.
5 teams added. Bottom division finish no tourney.
Short of Gonzaga (travel issues) or ND (if the ACC ever dissolves) there is no one that moves the needle.
 
As I have suggested for years the BE needs to expand, most cried no. Now there won't be much of a choice.
What surprises me is the B12 surviving over the Pac.
Sort of like galaxies colliding.
16 teams 4 divisions out to the West Coast.
5 teams added. Bottom division finish no tourney.
Your point is once again pointless
 
As I have suggested for years the BE needs to expand, most cried no. Now there won't be much of a choice.
What surprises me is the B12 surviving over the Pac.
Sort of like galaxies colliding.
16 teams 4 divisions out to the West Coast.
5 teams added. Bottom division finish no tourney.
You do realize there are no non-football schools outside of Gonzaga (with massive travel issues) worth adding, right? Anyone worthy of playing at the Big East level is already a member. We can’t just add mouths to feed and schools looking for a handout. Doing that is what had the C7 cut ties years ago!
 
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BigEast will never compete financially with football conferences. Anyone you add other than Gonzaga just dilutes the product. Notre Dame I would add if they were 110% committed to remaining independent but there is no way to ensure that.

We added UConn and they were looking for greener pastures before the ink dried on their BigEast contract. We have a great conference with all likeminded schools (except uconn). This is what college sports is about. Don’t let the P4 greed cloud your judgement.
 
You do realize there are no non-football schools outside of Gonzaga (with massive travel issues) worth adding, right? Anyone worthy of playing at the Big East level is already a member. We can’t just add mouths to feed and schools looking for a handout. Doing that is what had the C7 cut ties years ago!
Dayton 21st in attendance. They might be worth considering
 
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Dayton 21st in attendance. They might be worth considering
Are they worth between at least $6 million and probably closer to $8-10 million per year in our next media rights deal?

That's what a full share of the next media rights arrangement will likely be worth. Anything less and they are taking money away from the existing conference membership.

To the OP's original idea. The current $4 million or so annual payout would need to quadruple, at minimum, to make expansion to 16 teams (and the attendant rise in travel costs his plan would cause) to make sense.
 
We complain about that Covid year where we were considered contenders and won the so called computer modeled NC. But no school was more screwed over than Dayton who would have been a 1 seed and had one of the best players in the country.
 
We complain about that Covid year where we were considered contenders and won the so called computer modeled NC. But no school was more screwed over than Dayton who would have been a 1 seed and had one of the best players in the country.
It’s really worse when you think about it…1st and 2nd round games in Cleveland (3hr). Sweet 16 and elite 8 in Indianapolis (1hr 45min). Their fans could have driven to literally every game.

It was truly the perfect storm for them. One once in multiple lifetime opportunity. That will never happen again.

Having my said that, I think ours was equally once in a lifetime. Protected seed in the east I don’t think will ever happen again in my lifetime.
 
That would be dumb as they don’t add much media value. Clemson and FSU would be livid.
Stanford and Cal just add more travel expenses for all concerned. Stupid to do that which is why it will probably happen.

If the ACC added anyone how would that affect the GOR deal for current members or do the new additions just sign onto the existing deal?
 
Stanford and Cal just add more travel expenses for all concerned. Stupid to do that which is why it will probably happen.

If the ACC added anyone how would that affect the GOR deal for current members or do the new additions just sign onto the existing deal?
New members just sign on to the existing deal.
 
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ACC looking into inviting Stanford and Cal
These mega-conferences will ultimately effect the non-revenue producing sports as the cost and travel will be insane. Hard enough to be a D1 student athlete; now you are going to have the volleyball, softball teams traveling cross country for a conference game.

Something has to give which result in schools dropping sports or aligning those sports with different conferences or regionally. It's not sustainable. Football drives the bus and it's shoving all of the other sports out the emergency exit.
 
These mega-conferences will ultimately effect the non-revenue producing sports as the cost and travel will be insane. Hard enough to be a D1 student athlete; now you are going to have the volleyball, softball teams traveling cross country for a conference game.

Something has to give which result in schools dropping sports or aligning those sports with different conferences or regionally. It's not sustainable. Football drives the bus and it's shoving all of the other sports out the emergency exit.
They should have conferences solely for Football. Let all other sports be in normal conferences with logical, more regional conference mates (like the Big East) that also allows students, alumni and fans to attend contests. These mega conferences are going to collapse from their own greed and it’s going to be glorious to watch!
 
These mega-conferences will ultimately effect the non-revenue producing sports as the cost and travel will be insane. Hard enough to be a D1 student athlete; now you are going to have the volleyball, softball teams traveling cross country for a conference game.

Something has to give which result in schools dropping sports or aligning those sports with different conferences or regionally. It's not sustainable. Football drives the bus and it's shoving all of the other sports out the emergency exit.
I dont necessarily love the realignment either but this point, which is made a lot, is largely over blown and not really an issue.

If you look at a huge majority of these schools sports schedules right now they have been regularly traveling across country anyway (for years). Yes, it will be for conference games now but that doesn't make much of a difference.
 
These mega-conferences will ultimately effect the non-revenue producing sports as the cost and travel will be insane. Hard enough to be a D1 student athlete; now you are going to have the volleyball, softball teams traveling cross country for a conference game.

Something has to give which result in schools dropping sports or aligning those sports with different conferences or regionally. It's not sustainable. Football drives the bus and it's shoving all of the other sports out the emergency exit.
Some leagues have gotten large enough that this issue will potentially resolve itself in one of two ways.

One - The non-revenue sports make one or two long road trips. Penn State soccer spends a week or so out west and plays USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington in one shot. Maybe it's even less than that as most non-revenue sports don't have large schedules to begin with.

Two - The non-revenue sports become largely regional -- although many of the western schools in a conference are going to have to travel more since they have fewer nearby conference opponents.

The other option, which has been put forth in this thread already, is the idea non-revenue sports are realigned into more regional conferences which better reflect the financial and logistically realities those sports face.

You already see this on a smaller level where schools that are members of one conference park programs in others because the primary conference doesn't sponsor that sport. An example is Akron joining the BE as an associate member in Men's Soccer now that the MAC no longer sponsors that sport.
 
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I dont necessarily love the realignment either but this point, which is made a lot, is largely over blown and not really an issue.

If you look at a huge majority of these schools sports schedules right now they have been regularly traveling across country anyway (for years). Yes, it will be for conference games now but that doesn't make much of a difference.
The difference is football plays once a week. Everyone else plays numerous times a week and traveling all over to all different times zones on a consistent basis will begin to take a toll, especially on the student athletes who also believe being a student is important.
 
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The difference is football plays once a week. Everyone else plays numerous times a week and traveling all over to all different times zones on a consistent basis will begin to take a toll, especially on the student athletes who also believe being a student is important.
I don’t think you understand the point

They already do this and have for years

They don’t necessarily travel consistently through time zones. It’s usually grouped together and alternates per year
 
I don’t think you understand the point

They already do this and have for years

They don’t necessarily travel consistently through time zones. It’s usually grouped together and alternates per year
They do it for the OOC game’s mostly. Now you’re asking them to do it for the whole season. And there are added costs for sports that are already losing money.
 
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They do it for the OOC game’s mostly. Now you’re asking them to do it for the whole season. And there are added costs for sports that are already losing money.
What is the difference?

Most of the big 10 competitive sports already plays in California with Stanford and cal etc right now for years

Now this trip will just be conference games

Very little difference
 
It’s over. All over. There will be eastern and western conferences like the NBA/NHL.. there used to be pride in winning your conference. Now coming in 10th place will be an accomplishment.
 
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What is the difference?

Most of the big 10 competitive sports already plays in California with Stanford and cal etc right now for years

Now this trip will just be conference games

Very little difference
I don’t think you understand. Look at our southern neighbors for example. They are already hemorrhaging money and will now be spending more money they don’t have to send all of their teams to the west coast on a regular basis. They weren’t doing that before and they certainly weren’t doing it for every sport. Their closest conference mate is 4-5 hours away in Maryland, 8 hours for Penn State and save for possibly 1 or 2 others everyone else is in a different time zone. They gave up natural rivals like Temple and UMass to chase relevancy they will never achieve while their student-athletes now have to devote entire days to travel over an entire season instead of an occasional trip like that possibly once or twice a season if at all. It will start to take a toll on both their bodies and their academics.

The West coast additions will have the same thing as Rutgers and Maryland. The Big 10 know who the 10 are and they will fare the best in the end with all of the travel that will now be required.
 
It’s over. All over. There will be eastern and western conferences like the NBA/NHL.. there used to be pride in winning your conference. Now coming in 10th place will be an accomplishment.
This plus class for those interested.
 
What is the difference?

Most of the big 10 competitive sports already plays in California with Stanford and cal etc right now for years

Now this trip will just be conference games

Very little difference
It's not very little. Below is RU's Wresting schedule from last year:https://scarletknights.com/sports/wrestling/schedule/2022-23

Of the four OOC tournaments, or trips, two were a short drive: one was in Newark, one in Bethlehem PA. Two required travel with one in Evanston, IL and one in Bakersfield, CA. The entire conference and other OOC schools were in the EST except for Nebraska. Only one flight over 2 hours.
 
I don’t think you understand. Look at our southern neighbors for example. They are already hemorrhaging money and will now be spending more money they don’t have to send all of their teams to the west coast on a regular basis. They weren’t doing that before and they certainly weren’t doing it for every sport. Their closest conference mate is 4-5 hours away in Maryland, 8 hours for Penn State and save for possibly 1 or 2 others everyone else is in a different time zone. They gave up natural rivals like Temple and UMass to chase relevancy they will never achieve while their student-athletes now have to devote entire days to travel over an entire season instead of an occasional trip like that possibly once or twice a season if at all. It will start to take a toll on both their bodies and their academics.

The West coast additions will have the same thing as Rutgers and Maryland. The Big 10 know who the 10 are and they will fare the best in the end with all of the travel that will now be required.
What are you talking about

Maryland Women’s FIELD hockey team is playing a 3 game stretch In California THIS year..Cal Stanford UC Davis

Now it will be UCLA USC alternating with Oregon and Washington..not that big a deal or change

Happens all the team in multiple sports

Also..Rider is in the same conference as Niagara and Canisius. I’ll grant you the time difference (that is different) but would you rather be a Maryland field hockey player and fly to Stanford to play or a Rider player who spends about 8 hours on a bus to play Niagara and canisius in March
 
Their closest conference mate is 4-5 hours away in Maryland, 8 hours for Penn State and save for possibly 1 or 2 others everyone else is in a different time zone.

What? College Park is 3-3.5 hours from Piscataway and State College is 3.5-4 hours away.
If it takes you eight hours to get from Piscataway to State College, you're doing it wrong. According to Google Maps, it takes 3:46.

From my own home in Northern Westchester, I can get to PSU in about four hours.
 
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Nobody wants Stanford to bring their olympic sports into their conference. They would destroy everyone in the Big10 and ACC
 
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If it takes you eight hours to get from Piscataway to State College, you're doing it wrong. According to Google Maps, it takes 3:46.

From my own home in Northern Westchester, I can get to PSU in about four hours.
I thought Penn State was a lot more west. Guess not. Lol!
 
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