This could be it for Pete Rose

[Halldan1]

Did he lie to MLB again?


Report: New evidence shows Pete Rose bet on baseball games as a player

By Cork Gaines 6 minutes ago

• In a report set to air on Monday, ESPN says they have obtained evidence that Pete Rose bet on Major League Baseball games while he was still a player, something Rose has steadfastly denied.
  It could have a huge impact on Rose's hopes for reinstatement.
  
  "Outside the Lines" has obtained copies of a notebook from a Rose associate that strongly suggest Rose did wager on games as a player. The documents were originally seized by the U.S. Postal Investigators working on a separate case.
  
  According to ESPN, the documents appear to show that Rose bet "thousands of dollars during the 1986 season including in games in which he played."
  
  Here is a screengrab from ESPN of those pages..
  
  
  
  (ESPN)
• The notebooks were seized from the home of Michael Bertolini, a known associate of Rose, who allegedly placed the bets with "mob-connected bookmakers," according to ESPN.
  
  Rose, who was banned for life from Major League Baseball, admitted in his 2004 book "My Prison Without Bars" that he wagered on games while manager of the Cincinnati Reds starting in 1987. However, Rose has always denied betting on games prior to 1987 while he was still a player or a player-manager.
  
  The 1989 Dowd Report, which led to Rose's lifetime ban from baseball, included testimony that Rose bet on games while the Reds' player-manager from 1984 through 1986. However, that investigation was never able to produce evidence that Rose bet on baseball games during that period.
  
  As recently as April, during an interview on ESPN Radio, Rose was asked if he gambled as a player.
  
  "No," Rose told Michael Kay. " never gambled when I was a player. That's a fact."
  
  In an interview for "Outside the Lines," John Dowd called the documents, "the final piece of the puzzle, this is it, this does it, this closes the door [on Rose]."
  
  According to Tim Kurkjian of ESPN, Major League Baseball was not aware of the documents' existence until shown by ESPN on Monday. MLB declined to comment.
  

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[Seton75]

Is that really a surprise? He is a degenerate gambler and he never bet on the games he knew the best I wish this guy would just go away.

 

[Burnsly]

He was never getting in anyway. His expulsion from the league sends a perfect message to all present & future players that might be tempted to gamble.

 

[Piratz]

So sick of hearing about Pete Rose, to be honest. God, it's been nearly more than 25 years of this nonsense.

 

[Halldan1]

Pete Rose bet on Reds games as a player, bookie’s notebook shows: report

BY Michael O’keeffe , Christian Red , Teri Thompson

AP
Pete Rose hits a line drive on Sept. 11, 1985 to break Ty Cobb’s all-time hit record.

A 28-year-old notebook kept by Pete Rose's bookie could be the deciding factor in whether the all-time hit king returns to baseball.

According to a report by baseball blogger and former New York Times columnist Murray Chass, the betting notebook kept by Rose associate Michael Bertolini has resurfaced and contains evidence that proves Rose bet on baseball as a player — information that could derail Rose's latest attempt for reinstatement from the game he has been banned from since 1989.

ESPN published a report Monday describing the re-emergence of Bertolini's book, which was not part of the evidence used by special investigator John Dowd in his report on Rose's gambling. The notebook reportedly shows Rose made 390 bets for Rose during a three-month period in 1987, when Rose was the club's manager. Rose bet on 52 Reds games during that period, Dowd's report said.

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Michael Bertolini, baseball memoribilia promoter and tax cheat, leaves Brooklyn Federal Court after his sentencing.

"He (Bertolini) would not show it to me," Dowd told the Daily News Monday. "It establishes that Pete bet on the Reds as a player for sure. We had already proved that with testimony and bank records. But it is an important piece of the puzzle."

Fay Vincent said the information revealed in the notebooks is not new but shows again why MLB commissioner Rob Manfred should reject Rose's bid for reinstatement.

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Then-Reds manager Pete Rose rubs his eyes during a 1989 press conference.

"It's all in the Dowd Report," the former MLB commissioner said.

"There is no question he was betting all along and he's been lying about it. What's new about that? He is still lying about it. He doesn't admit he bet when he was a player," Vincent added.

Daily News front page from June 27, 1989, saying Pete Rose bet on Reds.

Rose acknowledged that he had placed illegal bets on football and basketball games when he was suspended in 1989 by then-commissioner Bart Giamatti, but he denied for years that he had bet on Major League Baseball games.

In 2004, after years of public denial, Rose admitted to betting on baseball and on but not against, the Reds. As the Daily News first reported, he began selling baseballs with the inscription, "I'm sorry I bet on baseball — Pete Rose."

Daily News front page showing Pete Rose and friend Michael Bertolini.

But Rose has long claimed he never bet on baseball when he was a player. The Bertolini notebook, however, suggests that is not true.

The book also showed that manager Rose stopped betting on games Bill Gullickson started, sending a signal to gamblers that Rose had lost faith in the pitcher. The Reds traded Gullickson to the Yankees in August 1987 for pitcher Dennis Rasmussen.

Daily News front page from June 27, 1989, saying Pete Rose bet on Reds.

The book, according to Dowd, also showed that in those three months Rose bet $2,500 or more on 69 games and lost 64.

Manfred told reporters last month that he will consider Rose's latest bid for reinstatement with an open mind. Manfred will allow Rose to participate in All-Star Game festivities in Cincinnati next month, and MLB did not protest when Fox Sports hired the disgraced baseball star as an analyst.

But the re-emergence of the notebook is a fresh reminder of Rose's crimes against baseball.

MLB official John McHale, who has been reviewing Rose's application for reinstatement and will help prepare Manfred for a meeting with Rose and his attorneys in the near future. McHale, Chass reported, has already interviewed Dowd about Rose's application.

Bertolini, a longtime sports memorabilia dealer, was sentenced to 14 months in a federal prison in 1995 after he pleaded guilty to tax-fraud conspiracy. Prosecutors said the Brooklyn native failed to file tax returns on $176,000 in income. Bertolini acknowledged he paid thousands of dollars to baseball greats who appeared at a 1989 Atlantic City autograph show he produced; Duke Snider and Willie McCovey also pleaded guilty to tax fraud. Other players involved in the show paid civil penalties to the Internal Revenue Service.

Bertolini also received a one-year sentence, which ran concurrent with his federal term, for his role in an assault on memorabilia dealer Bill Hongach, who helped Bertolini produce the Atlantic City show.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...k-reveals-bet-player-report-article-1.2266800

 

[Proff Ed]

Good, he is a neanderthal player who felt the need to hurt Ray Fosse in a freeking all star game. He is one continuing lying sack of crap.

 

[JIMSOULS]

Is there a Hall of Bad Haircuts? Pete would be perfect.

 

[Halldan1]

Hearing today from so many on TV that they feel it's worse for Rose betting on games as a player than a manager. That's puzzling to me.

The way I see it is that Rose can only affect a game so much as a player. You know he's going to play as hard as he can all the time so his impact will be the same regardless if he has money on the game.

But as a manager he can influence a game differently in the way he uses his pitchers. Maybe keeping a starter in too long. Or the opposite, pulling him to soon. Maybe bringing in a star reliever earlier than normal and having him throw too many pitches meaning his availability is decreased in the immediate future. Or even worse bring in his star reliever when clearly he needs a day of rest.

No doubt in my mind it's worse for a manager to bet on his team than a player. But of course with that said each is wrong and the punishment should be severe.

 

[JIMSOULS]

The media in Cincinnati used to crucify Rose for the way he wore out his bullpen.

 

[anon_4htvdezyfe7k9]

Hearing today from so many on TV that they feel it's worse for Rose betting on games as a player than a manager. That's puzzling to me.

The way I see it is that Rose can only affect a game so much as a player. You know he's going to play as hard as he can all the time so his impact will be the same regardless if he has money on the game.

But as a manager he can influence a game differently in the way he uses his pitchers. Maybe keeping a starter in too long. Or the opposite, pulling him to soon. Maybe bringing in a star reliever earlier than normal and having him throw too many pitches meaning his availability is decreased in the immediate future. Or even worse bring in his star reliever when clearly he needs a day of rest.

No doubt in my mind it's worse for a manager to bet on his team than a player. But of course with that said each is wrong and the punishment should be severe.

Agree. But I think it's another lie surfacing that is driving the sentiment. Ironic that we were debating his HOF worthiness last week. JIMSOULS, I concede. Uncle.

 

[JIMSOULS]

Agree. But I think it's another lie surfacing that is driving the sentiment. Ironic that we were debating his HOF worthiness last week. JIMSOULS, I concede. Uncle.

phi pirate, you had me changing my mind about ete. I was ready to let him, and would have written his induction speech if he asked.

I always had a difficult time believing Pete. I'm not calling him a liar, but it seems that so many times when people are caught doing something wrong they only admit to the bare minimum. Like when a husband is caught being unfaithful, and says it was just this one time. A few PED guys rubbed me that way too, with Andy Pettitte being one.