This from one of the GOATs at SHU
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He must have missed some classes, as he doesn't know the role of SCOTUS. But Twitter is cool.
Nice but misguided/incorrect thoughts. And all the while he's wearing a Herbalife shirt. They pay less than a 5% U.S. income tax rate.
Yeah, soccer teams advertise on their uniforms. Go figure, he wore it right after the game.
And I'm certain they're not the only company taking advantage of tax laws.
But, yeah, let's diminish his initial thoughts/feelings of the day bc yea guns...
When he blames all 9 Supreme Court justices for rulings on guns and abortion, well, let's just say I hope nobody takes him seriously.
More hot air from another spoiled athlete who just wants to catch a ride on the current political wave in order to enhance his brand. Also quite clear he has no idea what the role of the Supreme Court is. Making decisions based on popularity/majority opinion? LOL!
That athletes and entertainers have a platform on topics they have little knowledge of is a depressing commentary on our society. The cult of celebrity lives on.
Well considering we just gave the star of a reality show a platform to do far more than just pontificate on topics he remains uneducated on, can you blame any athlete or entertainer?
Well he had far more than just a reality show AND he was duly elected.
But he did pontificate on topics he was uneducated on.
Fair. But his political platform was borne out of birtherism while being a fake board room executive. So can you really blame any athlete or celebrity trying to "catch a ride on the current political wave". It's a now proven formula.
Frankly, I wish some NRA bought pol would just stand up and tell the truth...we really dont give a shit how many tragedies this causes if the law makes it harder for anyone to buy a gun
So you hear a car backfire, not a bad idea to run for cover.
Oh right, I forgot, this is a mental health issue.
Come to think of it, it kinda is. Believing that the way we have guns in America is good for anyone is batshit crazy.
So you hear a car backfire, not a bad idea to run for cover.
Oh right, I forgot, this is a mental health issue.
Come to think of it, it kinda is. Believing that the way we have guns in America is good for anyone is batshit crazy.
It's absolutely a mental health issue. This has only been a thing since Columbine and it has exploded during the social media era. That said, if you want to change the Constitution, have at it. There is a process for amending it, another part of the beauty of the document. Sadly, too many in our society today have no respect for it. That's the biggest threat to the Republic moving forward - citizens who outright hate it and don't respect the Constitution - not the number of guns floating around.
are we the only country with mental health issues? do other countries (and their universal healthcare) really do it better? nothing about their gun laws are related to their success?
why does everyone go out of their way to avoid the easiest answer? maybe guns are a big issue with all the gun related deaths. just maybe.
I really couldn't care less about other countries. I see a lot of messed up people in America.
That’s then best you have? The uninformed celebrity class have been pontificating for the last 50 years.
america is so insanely off the spectrum compared to other countries it may help to take a look. or nah just completely ignore it
Every part of society is effected by mental health issues. Funny how worldwide, only our sick people (and most do not of course) shoot anyone.
IMO, if you think I deserve the right to buy an assault rifle, you need your head handed to you.
IMO, if you think I deserve the right to buy an assault rifle, you need your head handed to you.
Because our Constitution (the law of the land) specifically says the rights of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed.
I don't want to take away the rights of 99.999% of legal gun owners because of the actions of a few bad seeds any more than I want to judge the actions of all Muslims based on the actions of a few bad seeds.
I dont expect to get rid of the second amendment. bUT I cant yeLL fire on the movie theater, yet the first amandment EXISTS, BUT logic showed not all words are protected. BUT ALL GUNS ARE.
And I fear the guys with guns on the Capitol steps WAAAAY more than I fear the govt coming and taking away my guns
And I fear the guys with guns on the Capitol steps WAAAAY more than I fear the govt coming and taking away my guns
The first amendment protects your right to free speech from government sanctions or restrictions. A private movie theater owner can do what he or she wants.
As to your second statement, I don't agree. I fear a too powerful, bloated and aggressive government more than most everything else. I value freedom. I wish more did.
how did ammendments ever come to exist? perhaps theres interpretation to what "bear" and "arms" could mean in the 21st century.
perhaps those rights need to be evaluated
Not sure what debate point you're trying to make here. Have uninformed people with a platform historically given their opinion, yes? It's become a lot more mainstream these days to be egregious with the power across the political spectrum. And I think that's largely driven by a post-2008-ish world.
I'm not here to change hearts and minds, because I think that's a lost cause in our current political environment. I'm actually in agreement that it's in large part a mental health issue, for the reasons you say. Where I think we would disagree is in our action. There's a significantly longer term arc in focusing on fixing our national mental health problems than there is with restricting gun ownership. We should do both, but there's clearly one that is a more immediately value add.
RE: the Constitution. I'm sure I'm in the minority here but I don't believe in its ability to hold up to modern life and standards. It was a very well crafted document for the time (and many decades after that). There are reasons that it was amended several times and laws were put in to place (and adjudicated on) that limited/clarified its scope. I think the Constitution is largely used by most people to virtue signal. Do I respect it? Yes, 100%. Do I believe it should be interpreted for original intent, no. It should be interpreted in a 1700's context.
I really can't believe you posted this. Ever hear of the The Federalist Papers? They should be taught and studied just as much as anything else in regards to our nation's founding.
this times 1,000. We act like God came down to write the constitution and it should never change. Yet it was written by people who felt that other humans should be treated like cattle.
No mention of the process that allowed the change in the Constitution to correct that horrible wrong?
Why does everything come back to 45? That was my point. Celebrity policy pronouncements really got going in the 60s and have picked up speed ever since.
After intense protest, the two biggest wrongs were corrected. Many others were corrected because times changed. That doesn't necessarily mean it's remains fit to govern a completely different society.
This is essentially the problem. There are people who think that the Constitution must be interpreted as originally intended. Unfortunately, most of the Supreme Court are made up of those who believe that way.
They have altered the way of really what our founding fathers knew at the time. The founding fathers realized that as times will change, laws and the constitution must change with it as well as the interpretation of it. No founding father foresaw this better than Thomas Jefferson who presciently said:
"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as a civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."
You think taking away their guns, they're just going to say oh well can't do that anymore? Let's pretend in your magical world where there's no guns, there will be absolutely no gun deaths. Mission accomplished. If you got rid of guns, you think these mentally disturbed people won't turn to pipe bombs or another way to cause harm. More Boston bombing type events, more stabbings, etc will only take their place. These people aren't gun lovers, they're mentally disturbed. That's not ending. People who want to cause suffering to others aren't going to stop because there will be no guns. And just because there's no assault rifles won't end mass killings. There will just be other ways they get done because these people are sick in the head.
thats not my world im saying we should look at what other countries do since ours is so laughably, depressingly awful with gun deaths.
It won’t completely stop but it will be reduced. The assault weapons ban has proved that. Just because it won’t end all killings does it not count that we can drastically reduce it by banning assault weapons?
I'm just glad a reasonable post made its way here. That's all I got.
Yes, there is a process for amending the Constitution.
Too many people want to shred over two centuries of precedent and American norms in order to suit their short term political agendas and ambitions without regard for the potential consequences. That can't be allowed to happen or we won't have a country anymore.
So because somebody says something stupid it’s OK for you to say something stupid? That doesn’t sound like a winning strategy to me.
