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It’s nothing new either. 30+ years ago this football thing was obvious and BE tried. But
Now the cork is blown off forever with this money, good God. For college football. Damn.

Everyone is going to love watching these behemoths try to get knocked off in the NCAAT. Well, assuming it doesn’t become a football P5 invitational.
 
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And UCONN is still losing money. Can't afford to go to Maui holiday tourney in future.

What are our numbers?
 
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It's absurd. I must get hit up for a donation to one thing or another at least ten times a week. The fundraising industry has gotten totally out of control. In most cases, you have no idea where your money is going or how it's being spent (similar to our NIL).
 
It’s nothing new either. 30+ years ago this football thing was obvious and BE tried. But
Now the cork is blown off forever with this money, good God. For college football. Damn.

Everyone is going to love watching these behemoths try to get knocked off in the NCAAT. Well, assuming it doesn’t become a football P5 invitational.
i think they've been trying to make it a P5 invitational for the last few years. the money is shadowing the entire point of why people are interested .
 
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anyway i was a big apacolyptic doomer when this NIL stuff started happening a few years ago.

and unfortunately it's looking just as fatal as i expected. i really think college sports as we know it is done. at least for a long while.
 
anyway i was a big apacolyptic doomer when this NIL stuff started happening a few years ago.

and unfortunately it's looking just as fatal as i expected. i really think college sports as we know it is done. at least for a long while.
What do you mean by this
 
And UCONN is still losing money. Can't afford to go to Maui holiday tourney in future.

What are our numbers?
Clearly, we can't afford to because we did. I think what's confusing you is Dan. Hurley said that MTE tournaments are a thing of the past. in this new environment, it makes more sense for teams to host Home and Away or neutral sites that allow for revenue to be made by the teams playing the games, rather than event organizers.

For what it's worth, I would take that CBS list with a grain of salt because there's a lot of circular reasoning in there. In essence, they've concluded that P4 have a higher value because they receive higher media contracts, thus TV partners should pay them more, which in turn will give them a higher value, which in turn mean they should be paid more....
 
Clearly, we can't afford to because we did. I think what's confusing you is Dan. Hurley said that MTE tournaments are a thing of the past. in this new environment, it makes more sense for teams to host Home and Away or neutral sites that allow for revenue to be made by the teams playing the games, rather than event organizers.

For what it's worth, I would take that CBS list with a grain of salt because there's a lot of circular reasoning in there. In essence, they've concluded that P4 have a higher value because they receive higher media contracts, thus TV partners should pay them more, which in turn will give them a higher value, which in turn mean they should be paid more....
Yea I don't read much into Hurley's comments. The new environment seems to incentivize teams to do the home/away games at neutral sites (big time arenas, as he said) or join things like the "players invitation tournaments" that exposure you to the same big time competition as the better MTEs but also provide NIL sources.

On top of that, Hurley was likely speaking off the cuff out of frustration or to just F with people. Again, I liken a lot of the stuff he says to stuff you hear from Cal, Pitino, and other coaches like that who are lightning rods for their programs. Sometimes they are sending a message to someone. Sometimes they are just venting publicly because they are who they are and don't care who doesn't like it. Sometimes it's a combination of both. And sometimes is just trolling to have fun.
 
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Means nothing most of these programs have negative cash flow.
If I live in a 3 million dollar house but owe 4 million am I successful?
 


I thought I'd threw this in here just because it speaks to the value, a basketball generally and women's basketball in particular. Pretty sure that wasn't taken into account in the valuations above.
 
I don’t think it’s necessarily over for the Big East. I think some in our conference will be able to raise enough money to stay competitive, and good coaching/culture still means something in college basketball.

Basically, I look at schools like Marquette and Gonzaga as a model for how the Big East can continue to remain relevant.
 
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I thought I'd threw this in here just because it speaks to the value, a basketball generally and women's basketball in particular. Pretty sure that wasn't taken into account in the valuations above.
All sports were included in the valuations including women's. The softball program at Oklahoma was cited as part of their valuation of $928MM and gymnastics and softball were cited for Alabama and other sports that are top notch at Nebraska.
 
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I think my post was unclear. What I meant to say is they didn't take into account that the women's basketball program outdrew college football playoffs games. we hear over and over that all the value is in football, but, if a playoff game is getting beaten in ratings by a women's basketball game, maybe that's not as certain as they make it out to be.
Who’s playoff game?

What?!
 
I think my post was unclear. What I meant to say is they didn't take into account that the women's basketball program outdrew college football playoffs games. we hear over and over that all the value is in football, but, if a playoff game is getting beaten in ratings by a women's basketball game, maybe that's not as certain as they make it out to be.
That would stun me if accurate.
 
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I think my post was unclear. What I meant to say is they didn't take into account that the women's basketball program outdrew college football playoffs games. we hear over and over that all the value is in football, but, if a playoff game is getting beaten in ratings by a women's basketball game, maybe that's not as certain as they make it out to be.
I'm not sure your information is correct. If you have something to substantiate your statement, I'm all ears.

According to the attached, the UConn Women's game delivered 1/7th of the audience that the Tennessee-Ohio State football game did in the same timeslot (2.2 million vs 14.3 million). In fact, given the basketball game's peak audience was in the first quarter-hour, I could conclude people switched out to the football game.

More so, the 2.2 million is more than four million viewers shy of the least watched CFP matchup, the SMU-Penn State game on TNT which went head-to-head with the NFL.

That said, 2.2 million is a very good number although having an NFL game lead-in (there's your first quarter-hour number) certainly didn't hurt.

 
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I'm not sure your information is correct. If you have something to substantiate your statement, I'm all ears.

According to the attached, the UConn Women's game delivered 1/7th of the audience that the Tennessee-Ohio State football game did in the same timeslot (2.2 million vs 14.3 million). In fact, given the basketball game's peak audience was in the first quarter-hour, I could conclude people switched out to the football game.

More so, the 2.2 million is more than four million viewers shy of the least watched CFP matchup, the SMU-Penn State game on TNT which went head-to-head with the NFL.

That said, 2.2 million is a very good number although having an NFL game lead-in (there's your first quarter-hour number) certainly didn't hurt.

Yeah, I read that in a tweet that must've been wrong. If I can find it, I'll post it, but the numbers you posted above are correct. Still I agree the 2.2 million number is good especially going up against the Tennessee Ohio State game.
 
Yeah, I read that in a tweet that must've been wrong. If I can find it, I'll post it, but the numbers you posted above are correct. Still I agree the 2.2 million number is good especially going up against the Tennessee Ohio State game.
It got beat pretty bad by every college playoff game and they were horrible games

Also in the 2 media articles I found as much or even more credit was given to USC and Watkins than UConn…stretch much?

Also it had a direct nfl lead in..not too bad
 
It got beat pretty bad by every college playoff game and they were horrible games

Also in the 2 media articles I found as much or even more credit was given to USC and Watkins than UConn…stretch much?

Also it had a direct nfl lead in..not too bad
Yeah, I don't disagree. Still, bringing in over 2 million viewers is notable. And that's for a woman's college basketball game, though, granted, for two top 10 programs.

The point I was trying to make, but failed, was that we are told football is the be all and the end all in terms of value, but college basketball has a lot of eyes on it and a lot more games. I think it's value is being underrated. If the NCAA weren't funding itself and non-revenue sports and DII and DIII playoffs off of March madness, basketball would be valued much higher.
 
Yeah, I don't disagree. Still, bringing in over 2 million viewers is notable. And that's for a woman's college basketball game, though, granted, for two top 10 programs.

The point I was trying to make, but failed, was that we are told football is the be all and the end all in terms of value, but college basketball has a lot of eyes on it and a lot more games. I think it's value is being underrated. If the NCAA weren't funding itself and non-revenue sports and DII and DIII playoffs off of March madness, basketball would be valued much higher.
I disagree…a lot..I think now more than ever bball is shown to not move the needle

I think the Belichick move shows this in a weird way too
 
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how does nielsen count their ratings? if i tune in for a few mins am i a viewer? if thats the case then how good the game is doesn't really matter.
 
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