Trump border patrol

[Seton75]

On Morning Joe, he was asked where Muslims would be screened to make sure they do not enter the country. He said the details could be worked out, but said eventually, someone would ask them if they are Muslim...Oh, you are a Seventh Day Adentist, here is your visa Mr. Atta...You can't make it up. He is Father Coughlin on steroids.

I told you he wasn't going away this time.

 

[Section112]

He needs to go away. I think he is secretly in cahoots with Hillary and its all a grand scheme.

 

[HALL85]

My thought is that when the others drop out their votes will gravitate to Rubio, who will get the nomination.

 

[Seton75]

Rubio makes Obama look like the definition of gravitas. I cannot imagine him getting the nomination. If it isn't Trump, it will be someone not running now, probably Mitt. But if that happens, Don may say he was mistreated and run 3rd party and gift wrap it for Hillary. 20 people are running and I don't want any of them to win.

 

[Muggsy Blue]

Seton75

Who could run that would get your support?

 

[SPK145]

And his poll numbers will probably rise, SMH!

Both presumptive leaders for the presidency are lying, say anything and see if it sticks, shameful slugs.

 

[Seton75]

Seton75

Who could run that would get your support?

Maybe Mike Blumenthal. I liked kasich before this campaign but he seems like a lightweight to me now. I didn't like bill Clinton and have never been a hillary fan. I could support elizabeth warren. But I don't think things will get better. Too partisan. I blame fox news for making the news so partisan and now msnbc for doing the same thing.. this feeds right into the hands of a guy like trump. If I had to mention one instance of this brokenness, I think of the shit Christie still gets for thanking Obama for helping us deal with the greatest natural disaster in recent history.

 

[Section112]

This election on both sides so far is very sad to me. Again I feel like I will be forced to choose between two evils that I do not like and its really early. Hope it changes but I doubt it. Very few candidates that are authentic will have a chance. The political money machines are just too powerful and the public is not paying attention or doesn't care or both.

 

[Seton75]

On the other hand...

As simple minded as Trump's proposal is, as counter productive it is cause it tells Muslims ISIS is right, we do hate Muslims, a guy on TV who had some credentials said by most accounts, no more that 5-7 percent of Muslims hold these radical beliefs. That is a pretty damned high percentage.

And go to the map and pick a country not at peace, most seem to be countries dominated by a Muslim population. You will probably see the video of the crotchety old guy (probably three years younger than me lol) at a gas pump saying it aint Christian or Jews or Buddhists doing this... These beliefs held by radical islamo-fascists are not new, they are about 100 years old at least (maybe they go back way further than that). And they are growing.

 

[Section112]

On the other hand...

As simple minded as Trump's proposal is, as counter productive it is cause it tells Muslims ISIS is right, we do hate Muslims, a guy on TV who had some credentials said by most accounts, no more that 5-7 percent of Muslims hold these radical beliefs. That is a pretty damned high percentage.

And go to the map and pick a country not at peace, most seem to be countries dominated by a Muslim population. You will probably see the video of the crotchety old guy (probably three years younger than me lol) at a gas pump saying it aint Christian or Jews or Buddhists doing this... These beliefs held by radical islamo-fascists are not new, they are about 100 years old at least (maybe they go back way further than that). And they are growing.

Unfortunately true. Countries with higher percentages of Muslims are having the most trouble because they want to impart their will on everyone else. That is how they are educated and what they believe. The moment of silence at the soccer match in Europe was horrible and many fans were jeering at the moment of silence for France which signals their approval of what occured.

Quran 8:12 which says, “When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.” While the bible has some parts that are also violent, you don't see too many Christians acting on that today. Unfortunately beheading and torture is part and parcel of the Muslim religion and is being carried out by the fanatics everyday in Iraq and Syria and many other places. You cannot escape that fact, so folks are rightfully scared of increasing our Muslim population but its happening and Bush and Obama have helped that happen significantly for different reasons. You can't make statements like Trump is making because it is helping ISIS and its wrong. You also can't argue that what he is saying is exactly what a lot of folks are thinking.

 

[Bobbie Solo]

Seton75, what sucks about it is that a very long term approach is what is needed most to fix the problem. A large culture change (for lack of a better word) that involves reducing the role of these radical madrasas, increasing mainstream education options for both boys & girls in these countries, and reducing the poverty rate/increasing newer,better job opportunities is what will get rid of these radical groups and their support network. It's the hardest thing to do, and will take decades, but it's the only way. Bombing these countries into oblivion isn't working. Even when we finally get rid of Isis' power through military means in the next few years, there will just be another group to come up in the vacuum afterwards.

I'd like to us to remove ourselves from the region completely so that the next generation of poor, easily brainwashed Muslims don't grow up hating us, and start efforts to defeat terrorism with education and economic help, not just bombing the bad guys. Sadly, we all know the military industrial complex that really runs these types of decisions in the U.S. won't let that happen.

 

[SnakeTom]

Maybe Mike Blumenthal. .

Maybe it is time for a serious third party candidate though I don't think it would work. If so I would be fine with Mike Blumenthal. Hell he's been both a Democrat and a Republican and a pretty good mayor in a very difficult city to govern.

Tom K

 

[Seton75]

Seton75, what sucks about it is that a very long term approach is what is needed most to fix the problem. A large culture change (for lack of a better word) that involves reducing the role of these radical madrasas, increasing mainstream education options for both boys & girls in these countries, and reducing the poverty rate/increasing newer,better job opportunities is what will get rid of these radical groups and their support network. It's the hardest thing to do, and will take decades, but it's the only way. Bombing these countries into oblivion isn't working. Even when we finally get rid of Isis' power through military means in the next few years, there will just be another group to come up in the vacuum afterwards.

I'd like to us to remove ourselves from the region completely so that the next generation of poor, easily brainwashed Muslims don't grow up hating us, and start efforts to defeat terrorism with education and economic help, not just bombing the bad guys. Sadly, we all know the military industrial complex that really runs these types of decisions in the U.S. won't let that happen.

IMO, the problem is deeper. They live in countries whose borders were arbitrarily drawn up by the west. Iranians had their pres overthrown by the CIA. The despicable way the UK treated middle east countries earlier in the 20th century. And the recent wars.

We used to be comforted cause neither the USSR or the USA wanted destruction. The destruction of the world is their endgame. We don't understand this fervor. Bill Maher is one of the few libs who sees clearly on this.

The Saudi royals, our supposed friends, fund many of those madrassas. We give them a pass cause we need them to be our friend in other ways. And the American public doesn't help either, with our insatiable appetite for the biggest car we can get.

While my heart agrees that bombing into oblivion doesn't work, it worked vs an old enemy our ours who had soldiers willing to fly planes to their death for the good of their nation. I am not saying we Nagasaki anyone, but that did work.

I don't get why a Muslim politician doesn't say, "while I may hate Israel, in 60 years they have created a prosperous nation and after centuries, most of us live in poverty. Maybe we are doing something wrong...duh"

And I don't know what the answer is. Obama has failed us here. Bush's decisions were disastrous. Hopefully someone knows the right path to follow.

 

[SPK145]

Maybe it is time for a serious third party candidate though I don't think it would work. If so I would be fine with Mike Blumenthal. Hell he's been both a Democrat and a Republican and a pretty good mayor in a very difficult city to govern.

Tom K

Who the heck is Mike Blumenthal??

 

[Muggsy Blue]

Maybe they mean Bloomberg.

 

[SPK145]

Maybe they mean Bloomberg.

Hopefully not, he's the worst. Nanny-stater that thinks he knows what best for you.

 

[Seton75]

Maybe they mean Bloomberg.

Lol. Uh, yes I did mean him...lol...sorry.

 

[SnakeTom]

Yes, I was copying seton75's misspelled name. I assume he was referring to Michael Bloomberg and yes I would support him. A practical politician not chained to either party's agenda & does what he views as right whether we agree with everything he does or not. However it is a pipe dream as no third party candidate will ever be successful in our system.

PS: you'll just have to forgive us aging Pirate fans who tend to screw up names every now and then.

Tom K

 

[Seton75]

Yes, I was copying seton75's misspelled name. I assume he was referring to Michael Bloomberg and yes I would support him. A practical politician not chained to either party's agenda & does what he views as right whether we agree with everything he does or not. However it is a pipe dream as no third party candidate will ever be successful in our system.

PS: you'll just have to forgive us aging Pirate fans who tend to screw up names every now and then.

Tom K

I was going to say I was supporting the sec of treasure under carter who later became ceo of Burroughs Corp and spearheaded the merger with Sperry into unisys, but he may be dead.... (and given my memory his name may not be mike, tho I think it is...)

 

[Section112]

Yea if Mike Blumenthal was Pres noone could drink soda ever again. But he'd be better than the two at the top right now that is for sure. I was wondering the same thing who is Blumenthal - funny stuff!

Noone likes Rand Paul but he is a guy who thinks differently and wants us out of the Middle East and has been saying so for years. He believes that the last bunch of Presidents have not gotten the permission they needed for all of these foreign wars from Congress and he really understands the budget and healthcare. I wish America had some balls and would look to an actual thinker for Pres instead of the same old same old. But sadly when you put him on stage he is not impressive and does not stand out. Same as Bill Bradley who I would have voted for years ago when he ran - had good ideas but could bore the crap out of anyone trying to listen. But he had very solid ideas.

 

[cernjSHU]

On Morning Joe, he was asked where Muslims would be screened to make sure they do not enter the country. He said the details could be worked out, but said eventually, someone would ask them if they are Muslim...Oh, you are a Seventh Day Adentist, here is your visa Mr. Atta...You can't make it up. He is Father Coughlin on steroids.

I told you he wasn't going away this time.

Ah! The solution I would suggest to Trump is go back to the Spanish Inquisition. One of the ways that the Inquisitors would test to see if Muslims actually converted to Catholicism was to see if they would eat Serrano Ham. Which by the way is very delicious!

 

[Seton75]

Yea if Mike Blumenthal was Pres noone could drink soda ever again. But he'd be better than the two at the top right now that is for sure. I was wondering the same thing who is Blumenthal - funny stuff!

Noone likes Rand Paul but he is a guy who thinks differently and wants us out of the Middle East and has been saying so for years. He believes that the last bunch of Presidents have not gotten the permission they needed for all of these foreign wars from Congress and he really understands the budget and healthcare. I wish America had some balls and would look to an actual thinker for Pres instead of the same old same old. But sadly when you put him on stage he is not impressive and does not stand out. Same as Bill Bradley who I would have voted for years ago when he ran - had good ideas but could bore the crap out of anyone trying to listen. But he had very solid ideas.

I thought after 911 that since we have no clue who is a sleeper and who is a person who wants to enter America for good reason, that we should severely limit immigration from various middle east countries that are a hotbed for terrorists. Paul's Dad had the nerve to say the same thing when he ran a few years ago (was that 2004?). Remember when Rudy went ballistic cause Ron said we go into other countries and bomb, them, they are gonna strike back somehow. We don't think we deserved the WTC attack, but the other guys did cause we were in their holy land.

 

[Section112]

I thought after 911 that since we have no clue who is a sleeper and who is a person who wants to enter America for good reason, that we should severely limit immigration from various middle east countries that are a hotbed for terrorists. Paul's Dad had the nerve to say the same thing when he ran a few years ago (was that 2004?). Remember when Rudy went ballistic cause Ron said we go into other countries and bomb, them, they are gonna strike back somehow. We don't think we deserved the WTC attack, but the other guys did cause we were in their holy land.

Instead under Bush we agreed to increase immigration from the ME so we could "build the coalition" and under Obama for some reason (which is widely debated) they have increased immigration numbers as well from the ME. Common sense and what we do has little in common. Under Carter he stopped taking anyone from Iran for a time. That made sense to me as a temporary measure. Now we are caught in the stop Iran at all costs foreign policy and that has us hot to stop Assad and make a regime change and allying with the Saudis while they fund Isis from the back door and on and on. Just a quagmire that will never end it seems (backed by Dems and Republicans) and more trouble to come.

 

[HALL85]

And CBS just released poll results that show his support skyrocketing....and a majority of voters supporting his immigration position. Go figure.

On another front, I would love to check out Obama's stock portfolio. Gun sales have skyrocketed under his Presidency. I work out in PA and every time he comes out with his gun control public statements, the parking lot at Cabella's is packed. He has done more for gun sales than the mass shootings have contributed.

There is a segment of the law abiding gun owner segment that has no confidence in the government to protect them from criminals and terrorists. I have no data to support it (but more prevalent in PA), but I get the sense there are a lot of folks stock-piling (or adding to their collection) just in case the bad guys show up in their neighborhood.

 

[Section112]

And CBS just released poll results that show his support skyrocketing....and a majority of voters supporting his immigration position. Go figure.

On another front, I would love to check out Obama's stock portfolio. Gun sales have skyrocketed under his Presidency. I work out in PA and every time he comes out with his gun control public statements, the parking lot at Cabella's is packed. He has done more for gun sales than the mass shootings have contributed.

There is a segment of the law abiding gun owner segment that has no confidence in the government to protect them from criminals and terrorists. I have no data to support it (but more prevalent in PA), but I get the sense there are a lot of folks stock-piling (or adding to their collection) just in case the bad guys show up in their neighborhood.

Absolutely true.