Of course. You'd be a fool not to see that.
Valparaiso dropping Crusaders name, mascot, logos
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Of course. You'd be a fool not to see that.
We need balance and moderation looking at the big picture. So I agree no big deal if that particular school wants to change the name. Also, good point made about the the majority of the Valpo community is on board to do it. If that's their vote I'm good with it. On the other hand I totally agree with the sentiment that we are wasting very valuable time on nonsense(My Opinion). I believe you learn from history and try to improve moving forward. There is no way you can erase everything that has happened so everyone can feel "Comfortable" in the present.
By and large, who is running universities now? And what do many of them have in common?
If I may add...there is troubling trend on college campuses around the country to inculcate the "progressive" agenda to its students and faculty. So, no, in a vacuum, these decisions are not significant, however, when only one side is being taught to our future leaders, then it is a troubling trend that one side of an argument is being marginalized or worse, demonized. An education should not be about indoctrinating your morals and ideals on your students, but instead should be to provide a well-round perspective offering both sides in its teachings.
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The same can be said to justify bias against other groups. So, Crusader is offensive because Christians had a holy war in the middle east 1000 years ago. I can use the 9/11 attacks from 20 years ago to be offended by the Muslim religion. Are we gonna ban mosques and anything muslim related in the country because of that?
Slippery slope my friend......
I work at an institution of higher learning, and was privy to the interview process when a new director of our department was hired. One of the prospectives came for an interview. He was pretty milquetoast, but one of our more radical colleagues made it a point to check out this guy's entire social media presence, and determined that he was.....a conservative! The detective then went to the highest levels of governance at the school, to ensure that he would not be hired, because credentials be damned, think of the harm he would cause to the fringe groups at the University. Some of my more moderate-left colleagues, FWIW, in reaction to the hub-bub, looked at his posts too, and found nothing radical or offensive that stood out.
Anyone who thinks this is about Valparaiso University and/or believes that it's purely a SJW ploy, with all due respect to the esteemed SHUSource, is incorrect.
Anyone who thinks this is about Valparaiso University and/or believes that it's purely a SJW ploy, with all due respect to the esteemed SHUSource, is incorrect.
I'm not going to respond as "personally" as you did. My opinion is that an institution can make its own choices as it did in this case. I do not find such actions as threats to anyone's freedom and I find that getting worked up about stuff like this is pointless, silly and no one's business other than the institution in question. And no I do not see this happening "everywhere". There are plenty of other things going on in this country that are worth getting angry about. This one is way, way down the list.
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Well just one point here: 9/11 was not planned and executed by the heirarchy of the Muslim Faith. The Crusades were planned and executed by the heirarchy of the Church. Pretty clear difference there.
In response to the pillaging of Christian civilization, monasteries, and holy places in the Holy Land!
How do you know? Most of the perpetrators were from Saudi Arabia, the home of Mecca. (However, a great amount of evidence points elsewhere.)
Not a very intelligent counter-argument on your part. (ad hominem type argument).
You need to read some history. What caused Christians to go the Holy Land?
Do you realize that MLK Jr. was a crusader? Anyone with passion for a cause and takes action is a crusader.
I'm not denying that there are times when a mascot, a statue or building name is offensive and should be changed, but, we've gotten to the point where the most innocuous things have become offensive to certain groups. Do we cancel everything that offends anyone?
How MLK JR hasnt gotten cancelled yet is the shocker of all shockers.....he wasnt a big fan of the gays, and I cant believe ye hasn't suffered the beatdown. The liberals must be so conflicted .....
This is where you're wrong.
Two of my children just graduated from college, so, I've witnessed the indoctrination first hand. Thought police have infiltrated colleges telling our children they should be ashamed of their upbringing because they had it easier than others, their opinion doesn't count because of who they are. Should they utter a conservative thought, they become outcasts at their schools. Dialog between opposing opinions have disappeared on most college campuses. There's no longer give and take.
Valparaiso, like many schools, has students who are taught that they are responsible for righting the sins of their parents and grandparents. Activism is their form of contrition, it gives their lives meaning. Valparaiso's students forced the hand of the University and it's not accidental that this is happening everywhere. There are many occasions where it is necessary to change mascot names, however, Crusaders isn't one of these occasions.
Next up - names to be erased: Pirates, Vikings, Colonels, Buccaneers, Saints, Pioneers, Patriots, Minutemen, Trojans, Spartans, Blue Devils, Volunteers, Rangers, the list goes on.
The Crusaders (Christians) and Muslims were fighting over a piece of land, each thought that it was sacred to their religion. Were the Muslims less culpable for the these events? Miriam Webster: Crusader - a person who makes an impassioned and sustained effort to bring about social or political change.
Soft served! Participation trophies for last place. Mommy n daddy said so
And, apparently, hands off the Klan?
Regardless, of all the active concerns in this country, this is DEFINITELY the one to get fired up about. Very, very important stuff.
Guys, this is now going off track as would be expected with a subject as explosive as this one.
Now that we have veered off sports I will be transferring this to Life off the Ship later this morning. I am keeping it here for now so those that want to continue to address the situation will know where to find this thread.
Now that we have veered off sports I will be transferring this to Life off the Ship later this morning. I am keeping it here for now so those that want to continue to address the situation will know where to find this thread.
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Now the minimizing stage happens, where they try and say it's you that's the problem for pointing out their woke BS. After canceling Crusaders now the heavy lifting can begin, like rooting out the white supremacy in mathematics, LOL Oregon Dept of Ed.
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The Oregon Department of Education (ODE) recently encouraged teachers to register for training that encourages “ethnomathematics” and argues, among other things, that White supremacy ma…
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There was an article before the super bowl eluding to the Buccaneers name being offensive.
We'll soon be the Seton Hall Sailors.... unless of course sailors are offensive to anyone..
Sailors have captained boats that have killed many fish over our lifetime and those of our ancestors. It would not be right to allow these murderers to be our mascot.
I am sure these threads complicate your day and make extra work for you. I admire the way you fairly and objectively step in and calmly move the thread to LOS. As one of the offending parties in this thread, I apologize for allowing myself to be seduced by the subject. We are fortunate to have you moderating this site.
Thank you.
The subjects are very important and should be discussed. When we stay on target and comment as they pertain to sports the thread stays here. But if the subject becomes political or religious or too contemptuous then the decision to move them to LOTS is an easy one.
The subjects are very important and should be discussed. When we stay on target and comment as they pertain to sports the thread stays here. But if the subject becomes political or religious or too contemptuous then the decision to move them to LOTS is an easy one.
Two years ago, LIU merged their Brooklyn based D1 athletic program (Blackbirds) with their Long Island DII athletic program (Pioneers). New name, Dolphins I think, was chosen for the then merged programs. I don't recall any mention of changing the name because of some misguided perception of what Blackbirds means.
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It makes sense now that a whole generation of college graduates dont understand the simpe value of investing, or a simple cost analysis before pursuing a degree. Now they want bailouts for their stupid decisions. They spent all their time huddled in their safe spaces figuring out how to rid the world of evil college mascots.
I hope Hallline69 knows this,since he went to SHP and SHU. So many people disparage Christians (some of them also Christians) wrongly pointing to the crusades as some kind of unwarranted attack on non-Christians. You don’t have to do much Googling to learn the actual history and climate of the time.
Yep! Watch my guy TOOLE’s squad last night. Bobby Mo is the Colonials. Guess they will get renamed. I’ll never throw away my colonial gear or my Redskins gear! Soft!
Take a vote of the schools students and alumni and I guarantee you 85 to 90% would say no to a name change. People need to get a life.
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These people who crusade against nicknames like Crusaders get off from tearing things down, both literally and figuratively. They have no real accomplishments to be proud of.
can we erase shu history from like 2009-2014? it was offensive. id feel much more comfortable.
