Vax Mandate Coming to NJ
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Mandate? Whose mandated? 100% of citizens?
That lady is a consultant by the way. I dont think she speaks for Murphy.
If he holds off something like that until after he’s re-elected he’s even more of a fraud than most other lying politicians, assuming it’s as broad as the post implies. Have the guts to make it a campaign issue your constituents can vote on. And this coming from someone who is vaccinated.
He's already laid the ground work for it. His "excuse" is that not enough minorities have taken it. It will be put in after the election, especially if he wins. Wouldn't even be surprised to see him do it if he loses too, just like the lame duck DeBlasio in NY.
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Agreed but a project veritas video of an "adviser" is pretty weak.
Honestly, I wouldn't be that surprised if he did it and it would be incredibly weak to not have it on the ballot but these videos seem like lip service to a constituent who is asking about the vaccine mandate from the angle that she wants it here.
Murphy MUST be voted out! https://savejersey.com/2021/10/o-ke...XW_kKsTt00pc80YGvGbEO0DYOtqlPC-zyNraMV7Q1d1dg
Between project veritas and rolling stone there's serious competition for weak sources providing the news.
Wake up people! Murphy will make things a million times worse if he is re-elected!
No doubt. But if he drops a vaccine mandate for kids to attend public school, especially under 12, without running on that issue, he's even more despicable than my worst views on politicians.
I am so happy we moved to PA....it's not perfect, but at least in most places, you can still make your own decisions.
I'm surprised, given the executive branch in PA. Wolf's administration is very left wing at the top with Fetterman and Shapiro behind him.
Wolf is an idiot. But not anywhere as bad as Murphy. Fortunately he knows he can’t get away with half of the stuff that Murphy does.
Republicans have held Senate and House control in PA for over a decade....this probably limits the executive branch in some ways
Showdown coming soon the effects of which could be worse than the virus itself.
OCTOBER 28, 2021 / 7:44 AM / CBS NEWS
A Staten Island judge denied a police union's request to temporarily halt the implementation of the city's vaccine mandate that is set to take effect November 1.
The Police Benevolent Association, New York City's largest police union, had argued in their request for a temporary restraining order on Monday that the policy does not make clear potential exceptions for medical or religious reasons, and does not give unvaccinated officers sufficient time to apply for such exemptions, as those appeals must have been submitted by Wednesday — one week after the mandate was announced.
Additionally, they noted that the department's "Vax or Test" program has been effective in ensuring public health while simultaneously providing privacy to individual medical decisions.
"Today's ruling sets the city up for a real crisis. The haphazard rollout of this mandate has created chaos in the NYPD," PBA President Patrick J. Lynch said in a statement. "City Hall has given no reason that a vaccine mandate with a weekly testing option is no longer enough to protect police officers and the public, especially while the number of COVID-19 cases continues to fall."
The union plans on filing an immediate appeal to the ruling. The NYPD could not immediately be reached for comment.
The union called the mandate "arbitrary and capricious" in court documents. It is the first such legal action taken against the mandate since it was announced last week by Mayor Bill de Blasio.
The policy requires police officers, firefighters and other municipal workers get at least their first dose of the COVID-19 vaccine by Friday or be placed on unpaid leave. Correctional officers on Rikers Island — a New York City prison that has been grappling with staffing shortages and unsafe conditions — will be subject to the mandate on December 1.
The NYPD's vaccination rate has lagged behind the rest of the city — as of Tuesday, the NYPD's vaccination rate is 73%, compared with the 78.2% of adults who have been vaccinated in New York City. The PBA, which represents over 24,000 current NYPD officers, contends that getting the vaccine is a personal medical decision.
The NYPD has about 36,000 officers and about 19,000 civilian staff employees.
Judge denies NYPD union's bid to halt COVID vaccine mandate
BY CLARE HYMESOCTOBER 28, 2021 / 7:44 AM / CBS NEWS
A Staten Island judge denied a police union's request to temporarily halt the implementation of the city's vaccine mandate that is set to take effect November 1.
The Police Benevolent Association, New York City's largest police union, had argued in their request for a temporary restraining order on Monday that the policy does not make clear potential exceptions for medical or religious reasons, and does not give unvaccinated officers sufficient time to apply for such exemptions, as those appeals must have been submitted by Wednesday — one week after the mandate was announced.
Additionally, they noted that the department's "Vax or Test" program has been effective in ensuring public health while simultaneously providing privacy to individual medical decisions.
"Today's ruling sets the city up for a real crisis. The haphazard rollout of this mandate has created chaos in the NYPD," PBA President Patrick J. Lynch said in a statement. "City Hall has given no reason that a vaccine mandate with a weekly testing option is no longer enough to protect police officers and the public, especially while the number of COVID-19 cases continues to fall."
The union plans on filing an immediate appeal to the ruling. The NYPD could not immediately be reached for comment.
The union called the mandate "arbitrary and capricious" in court documents. It is the first such legal action taken against the mandate since it was announced last week by Mayor Bill de Blasio.
The policy requires police officers, firefighters and other municipal workers get at least their first dose of the COVID-19 vaccine by Friday or be placed on unpaid leave. Correctional officers on Rikers Island — a New York City prison that has been grappling with staffing shortages and unsafe conditions — will be subject to the mandate on December 1.
The NYPD's vaccination rate has lagged behind the rest of the city — as of Tuesday, the NYPD's vaccination rate is 73%, compared with the 78.2% of adults who have been vaccinated in New York City. The PBA, which represents over 24,000 current NYPD officers, contends that getting the vaccine is a personal medical decision.
The NYPD has about 36,000 officers and about 19,000 civilian staff employees.
The courts are completely in the pocket of Big Pharma and authoritarian politicians. Very disturbing.
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This is a true sore loser rant. Judges are supposed to be impartial, it's a staple of our society. They rule in a way you disagree with and you say they're in someones pocket?
Every challenge to a vaccine mandate has been rejected by a court from what I've read. That tells me they are NOT being impartial. If they were impartial, I'd expect a handful of decisions favoring each side.
Funny how that works for liberals when it comes to abortion but not a vaccine mandate.
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I'm pretty sure there was precedence from a case in 1905 for a vaccine mandate.
Precedent is the word you're looking for. People who refused the vaccine in Cambridge, Massachusetts, where the case stemmed from, were fined $5. That's about $160 today. They didn't lose their jobs. They weren't banned from going places. And this was for Smallpox, a FAR more deadly disease than what we're dealing with today.
That's the difference and why I believe these mandates are so far out of bounds.
Are you guys the same people who told us that Covid would disappear after the 2020 Presidential Election?
Or sometimes the established precedent is clear and not on your side.
A recent example would be like Trump’s lawsuits about election fraud. They all failed. Not because some judges were corrupt, but because the law is clear.
That's just silly. If judges are 100% impartial why the uproar over Garland, Kavanaugh, and Barrett. Judges definitely have a lean.
How many true mob stories are out there where the judges got paid off? Were they being impartial? Or is society now 100% clean now?
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anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0
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You cant just claim a judge is in someones pocket because you dont like their decision. That's a 3rd grade sore loser act.
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anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0
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Yes precedent. I'm not a legal scholar, nor are you, that case has been cited for precedent.
Murphy should be voted out for the high taxes for the working class and retirees in NJ, not bc he follows CDC guidelines on covid.
The propaganda on him wanting to mandate vaccinating everyone when not everyone is even approved is funny.
I think the benefits out way the risk to vaccinate everyone currently approved. He left it up to counties to make kids (did not mandate it)
Silly to use what is best for the far majority (follow cdc recommendations) as a reason to vote someone out.
The propaganda on him wanting to mandate vaccinating everyone when not everyone is even approved is funny.
I think the benefits out way the risk to vaccinate everyone currently approved. He left it up to counties to make kids (did not mandate it)
Silly to use what is best for the far majority (follow cdc recommendations) as a reason to vote someone out.
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anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0
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Way to ignore the substance of the discussion.
Your substance is irrelevant, you're not a judge nor a legal expert, so your novice opinion is irrelevant really.
LOL. So by that stupid logic, your opinion is meaningless too. Same with your opinions on vaccines, Seton Hall basketball and pretty much anything else.
GTFO.
Another crazy comment. Are you a doctor? Are you a nurse? Does that make your opinions on the shot irrelevant if you're not. Whose opinion is more relevant the doctors and nurses for the shot or the doctors and nurses who are willing to lose their job to not get it?
The problem is that some of his executive orders on COVID are ambiguous and left to the County’s or school district’s interpretation. This is by design. A school district like mine, which is small, will feel compelled to take the most conservative interrogation to risk running afoul of the state. We had this debate at a school board meeting recently involving one of Murphy’s EOs. It can be interpreted as indicating that unvaccinated parents that are school volunteers are no longer allowed to volunteer at school events until they get vaccinated. About half the parents in my town that volunteer as class moms or to perform other volunteer activities for the school are no longer allowed to do so under his EO because they are unvaccinated. Mind you these same parents can still coach rec sports in my town and participate in many other activities. So now our schools are searching for people to fill the void. We advocates against this interpretation but the school board is simply taking the safe approach not because of COVID concern but because they are afraid of running afoul of Murphy’s EO.
If post election Murphy decides to mandate vaccination for kids to attend public school, especially the 5-12 range, that is going to be a real problem for many parents in my town. Or if he issues some ambiguous EO designed to have that outcome. Same with a compromise that requires unvaccinated kids to be wearing masks whereas others do not have to, since they shouldn’t have to do that at all.
If this is where he is going, he should have the integrity to run on it.
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anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0
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You claiming a judge is paid off is hysterical and really follows your line of conspiracy thinking.
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anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0
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Everyone can have an opinion but I would defer to doctors, they agree the shot is a good thing.
Who cares about unvaccinated adult volunteers? Is this a joke?
Kids safety and ability to stay in school should be #1 priority.
If kids are deemed better protected if vaccinated, ie benefits > risks, i wouldn’t mind mandates like all the other vaccines, however you are assuming Murphy would do that.
If he didn’t even mandate masks in all schools why would he do it for vaccines for kids?
Kids safety and ability to stay in school should be #1 priority.
If kids are deemed better protected if vaccinated, ie benefits > risks, i wouldn’t mind mandates like all the other vaccines, however you are assuming Murphy would do that.
If he didn’t even mandate masks in all schools why would he do it for vaccines for kids?
Small minority dude. Open your eyes.
Overwhelming majority of healthcare providers think the vaccine is great.
Overwhelming majority of healthcare providers think the vaccine is great.
