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[Halldan1]

More than 500 athletes tell NCAA to move championships out of states with anti-trans sports bans

More than 500 college athletes sent a letter to the National Collegiate Athletic Association on Wednesday demanding immediate action against states with bans on transgender athletes. The letter, wh…

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More than 500 athletes tell NCAA to move championships out of states with anti-trans sports bans
By MURI ASSUNÇÃO
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

More than 500 college athletes sent a letter to the National Collegiate Athletic Association on Wednesday demanding immediate action against states with bans on transgender athletes.

The letter, which was spearheaded by two runners from Washington University in St. Louis, Aliya Schenck and Alana Bojar, was addressed to the organization’s president, Mark Emmerts, and the NCAA Board of Governors.

A total of 545 athletes from at least 85 schools from every region of the country are urging the institution to speak out for transgender athletes, stand by its nondiscrimination policy “and publicly refuse to host championships in states with bans against trans athletes.”




“We, the undersigned NCAA student-athletes, are extremely frustrated and disappointed by the lack of action taken by the NCAA to recognize the dangers of hosting events in states that create a hostile environment for student-athletes,” the athletes wrote.

“You have been silent in the face of hateful legislation in states that are slated to h

Bills targeting transgender athletes are currently being discussed by state politicians across the country as the latest iteration of the political fight against LGBTQ equality.

On Monday, South Dakota’s House Bill 1217, which bans transgender girls and women from participating in sports teams that correspond to their gender identity, passed by the state Senate, weeks after passing through the House, and it’s now headed to Gov. Kristi Noem’s desk.

“I’m excited to sign this bill very soon,” Noem tweeted after the vote.

Last week, the Republican governor of Mississippi, Tate Reeves, announced that he’d sign Senate Bill 2536 into law, after the legislation passed through both legislative chambers.

In the letter, written in collaboration with the LGBTQ advocacy organizations GLAAD and Athlete Ally, students refer to Idaho’s House Bill 500, which bans transgender athletes from women’s sports, and was signed into law by governor Brad Little last year, but currently faces a legal review in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.

“Even with the current injunction, [HB 500] still is an incredibly harmful bill that sets a dangerous precedent of subjecting all women athletes to potential invasive gender verification tests while also effectively banning transgender women athletes from competition,” the letter said.

“The harm these bills will cause will be felt by generations of athletes to come. Trans youth will not be able to play and excel at the sports they love, causing a ripple effect that will eventually remove an integral element of the diversity of college sport. Failure to speak up now will harm current and future athletes – perhaps irreparably,” they wrote.

Earlier this month, The Associated Press published a report in which two dozen state lawmakers who had sponsored similar bills were asked whether the participation of trans girls in sports teams in accordance to their true gender had ever been problematic.

The AP reached out to legislators in more than 20 states, but “in almost every case, sponsors cannot cite a single instance in their own state or region where such participation has caused problems.”

“All athletes deserve to compete. All athletes are worthy of protection. No athlete should feel unsafe being who they are,” the students wrote. “Please show us that your practices align with your priorities.”

 

[SHUSA]

a whole 0.1% of student athletes signed this?

 

[shu09]

What do I think? I think people should stop being offended and mind their own business. Respect the laws of the states.

 

[Halldan1]

Mississippi governor signs bill to ban transgender athletes from women’s sports

JACKSON, Miss. — Mississippi Republican Gov. Tate Reeves signed a bill Thursday to ban transgender athletes from competing on girls or women’s sports teams. Mississippi is the first state…

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Mississippi governor signs bill to ban transgender athletes from women’s sports
By Associated Press

JACKSON, Miss. — Mississippi Republican Gov. Tate Reeves signed a bill Thursday to ban transgender athletes from competing on girls or women’s sports teams.

Mississippi is the first state this year to enact such a ban, after a federal court blocked an Idaho law last year. Mississippi’s Senate Bill 2536 is set to become law July 1, although a legal challenge is possible.

More than 20 states are proposing restrictions on athletics or gender-confirming health care for transgender minors this year. Conservative lawmakers are responding to an executive order by Democratic President Joe Biden that bans discrimination based on gender identity in school sports and elsewhere. Biden signed it Jan. 20, the day he took office.

“But for the fact that President Biden as one of his first initiatives sat down and signed an executive order — which, in my opinion, encourages transgenderism amongst our young people — but for that fact, we wouldn’t be here today,” Reeves said during a ceremony in the Mississippi Capitol, where he was joined by legislators who supported the bill.

Alphonso David, president of the LGBTQ civil rights organization Human Rights Campaign, said in a statement Thursday that the Mississippi law could lead to more bullying of transgender people.

“This law is a solution in search of a problem, and legislators in Mississippi have not provided any examples of Mississippi transgender athletes gaming the system for a competitive advantage because none exist,” David said.

Reeves has three daughters who play sports and he said March 4 on Twitter that Mississippi’s bill would “protect young girls from being forced to compete with biological males for athletic opportunities.”

Chase Strangio, a transgender-rights attorney with the national ACLU, said the Mississippi bill “is very vague and seemingly unenforceable.”

“Unfortunately, there is already rampant discrimination against trans youth in Mississippi, which means people are already driven out of sport,” Strangio said.

Alliance Defending Freedom is a conservative group defending the Idaho law and representing three cisgender girls in a Connecticut lawsuit that seeks to prevent transgender athletes from competing in girls sports. In a statement Thursday, Alliance Defending Freedom attorney Christiana Holcomb praised the Mississippi law.
“When we ignore science and biological reality, female athletes lose medals, podium spots, public recognition, and opportunities to compete,” Holcomb said.

The Mississippi Senate passed the bill Feb. 11, and the House passed it March 3. The votes were largely along party lines, with most Republicans supporting the bill and most Democrats either opposing it or refraining from voting.

Republican legislators who pushed the bill gave no evidence of any transgender athletes competing in Mississippi schools or universities.

“The coaches have told me that this is an imminent problem in Mississippi, and that’s basically all the details that they were willing to give me,” Republican Sen. Angela Hill of Picayune said in response to questions Thursday. “I can’t tell you that they don’t know any examples. I believe they do know examples. I think that they wanted to leave it in general terms. But they told me that this is an urgent matter.”

Supporters of bills such as the one in Mississippi argue that transgender girls, because they were born male, are naturally stronger, faster and bigger than those born female. Opponents say such proposals violate not only Title IX of federal education law prohibiting sex discrimination, but also rulings by the U.S. Supreme Court and 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

 

[Abbo71]

What do I think? I think people should stop being offended and mind their own business. Respect the laws of the states.

I think that this

What do I think? I think people should stop being offended and mind their own business. Respect the laws of the states.

I also think that this entire argument is absurd. Biological men should not be competing against biological women in sports. Just look what's going on where this is allowed, listen to what the biological girls competing against biological men have to say. Where it's allowed it's ruining girls' sports. Just dumb.

 

[cams555]

The whole thing is absurd. Women want equality and transgender want to feel comfortable in their skin why not flatten the pool and let the best person win. That will shut everybody up.

Title 9 people will be happy because there will be one budget

You wont have to worry about where trans people associate with

 

[flconticello]

The whole thing is absurd. Women want equality and transgender want to feel comfortable in their skin why not flatten the pool and let the best person win. That will shut everybody up.

Title 9 people will be happy because there will be one budget

You wont have to worry about where trans people associate with

Is not fair to women in any way. Women want equality yes but having a man dressed like a woman competing with women is no different than having a 15 yr old boy play down against 10 year olds. No league allows that. You can play up, not down. Same applies here. If a woman chooses to play against men so be it but women should not be forced to compete against men. There is a safety issue, same as the age limits in youth sports. Want to solve it? Create a co-ed team that anyone is free to compete on, otherwise you compete with your genetic gender. End of story. Anyone disagreeing, picture your 5'5" 130# 15 yr old daughter competing with a 6'2" 225# "trans girl" in say softball. Your daughter is pitching and this "girl" hits a 125mph line drive at her head, 40 ft away. Hershel Walker recently spoke on this subject and put it in perspective. He said right now at 59 if he decided to associate as a woman and enter the Olympics there are many events he win the gold hands down. How is that fair? What it does is make a mockery of women's sports. One more thought, if Ike and Jared Rhoden decided tomorrow that they want to compete with women at went to the women's team, does anyone doubt SHU would be national champs?

 

[mikewalsh]

There are 480,000 athletes competing in the NCAA each year, 550 signatures is pretty damn small.

Trans females have a physical advantage when competing against biological females, save for just a few sports. Allowing trans females to compete against women only hurts biological females, counter to the objectives of Title 9. It would be interesting to know how many of the signers are biological females.

Simple solution is to allow trans females to compete in male sports, perhaps they are allowed already.

CT has been allowing trans females to compete in female sports on the high school level, many records are being shattered by trans females in track and field. Biological females have voiced opposition in CT. I've got no problem with trans females competing, just feel that they should compete against athletes with the same biological makeup.

 

[SHUSA]

noooo go with the woke mob. let them sleep in their beds. cant wait till mens sports are all men, and womens sports are all men. heads will explode. woke computer does not compute.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

I say good for them. And then when those states come out with a law they don't like they'll narrow it down to a smaller pool of states they can play in. Before you know it they'll be playing NCAA events in China, that'll teach the USA.

 

[SHUisNJsTeam]

They need to be careful what they wish for! You’ll have men’s teams made up of men and women’s teams made up of men who couldn’t make the men’s team. Women’s football will be the newest craze! Women will no longer be able to compete.

Men and women are biologically different! You can cut parts off and add new parts anyway you like but that does not change the base model!

 

[SHUSA]

They need to be careful what they wish for! You’ll have men’s teams made up of men and women’s teams made up of men who couldn’t make the men’s team. Women’s football will be the newest craze! Women will no longer be able to compete.

Men and women are biologically different! You can cut parts off and add new parts anyway you like but that does not change the base model!

nope! equality! la la la la la.

better yet, just make one non gender league and then take the best. perfect

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

better yet, just make one non gender league and then take the best. perfect

You’re just speeding things up to get to the inevitable. One league for all humans. What about the animals? Why don’t they get to play?

 

[mikewalsh]

I've been watching this movement for years and the biggest opponent is the Feminist Movement, they get it.

 

[SHUSA]

You’re just speeding things up to get to the inevitable. One league for all humans. What about the animals? Why don’t they get to play?

let em play. it will still be men that are the best. thats just how it works.

 

[flconticello]

There are 480,000 athletes competing in the NCAA each year, 550 signatures is pretty damn small.

Trans females have a physical advantage when competing against biological females, save for just a few sports. Allowing trans females to compete against women only hurts biological females, counter to the objectives of Title 9. It would be interesting to know how many of the signers are biological females.

Simple solution is to allow trans females to compete in male sports, perhaps they are allowed already.

CT has been allowing trans females to compete in female sports on the high school level, many records are being shattered by trans females in track and field. Biological females have voiced opposition in CT. I've got no problem with trans females competing, just feel that they should compete against athletes with the same biological makeup.

Let me correct one thing. These are not females. They is no such thing as a trans female. Trans gendered person. This only accounts for appearance. Doesn't change the inside. Bottom line is if you analyze their DNA it will confirm male.

 

[HallBall02]

What do I think?

I think this thread will end up life off the ship in less than 2 days. 🤡

More than 500 athletes tell NCAA to move championships out of states with anti-trans sports bans

More than 500 college athletes sent a letter to the National Collegiate Athletic Association on Wednesday demanding immediate action against states with bans on transgender athletes. The letter, wh…

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More than 500 athletes tell NCAA to move championships out of states with anti-trans sports bans
By MURI ASSUNÇÃO
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

More than 500 college athletes sent a letter to the National Collegiate Athletic Association on Wednesday demanding immediate action against states with bans on transgender athletes.

The letter, which was spearheaded by two runners from Washington University in St. Louis, Aliya Schenck and Alana Bojar, was addressed to the organization’s president, Mark Emmerts, and the NCAA Board of Governors.

A total of 545 athletes from at least 85 schools from every region of the country are urging the institution to speak out for transgender athletes, stand by its nondiscrimination policy “and publicly refuse to host championships in states with bans against trans athletes.”

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“We, the undersigned NCAA student-athletes, are extremely frustrated and disappointed by the lack of action taken by the NCAA to recognize the dangers of hosting events in states that create a hostile environment for student-athletes,” the athletes wrote.

“You have been silent in the face of hateful legislation in states that are slated to h

Bills targeting transgender athletes are currently being discussed by state politicians across the country as the latest iteration of the political fight against LGBTQ equality.

On Monday, South Dakota’s House Bill 1217, which bans transgender girls and women from participating in sports teams that correspond to their gender identity, passed by the state Senate, weeks after passing through the House, and it’s now headed to Gov. Kristi Noem’s desk.

“I’m excited to sign this bill very soon,” Noem tweeted after the vote.

Last week, the Republican governor of Mississippi, Tate Reeves, announced that he’d sign Senate Bill 2536 into law, after the legislation passed through both legislative chambers.

In the letter, written in collaboration with the LGBTQ advocacy organizations GLAAD and Athlete Ally, students refer to Idaho’s House Bill 500, which bans transgender athletes from women’s sports, and was signed into law by governor Brad Little last year, but currently faces a legal review in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.

“Even with the current injunction, [HB 500] still is an incredibly harmful bill that sets a dangerous precedent of subjecting all women athletes to potential invasive gender verification tests while also effectively banning transgender women athletes from competition,” the letter said.

“The harm these bills will cause will be felt by generations of athletes to come. Trans youth will not be able to play and excel at the sports they love, causing a ripple effect that will eventually remove an integral element of the diversity of college sport. Failure to speak up now will harm current and future athletes – perhaps irreparably,” they wrote.

Earlier this month, The Associated Press published a report in which two dozen state lawmakers who had sponsored similar bills were asked whether the participation of trans girls in sports teams in accordance to their true gender had ever been problematic.

The AP reached out to legislators in more than 20 states, but “in almost every case, sponsors cannot cite a single instance in their own state or region where such participation has caused problems.”

“All athletes deserve to compete. All athletes are worthy of protection. No athlete should feel unsafe being who they are,” the students wrote. “Please show us that your practices align with your priorities.”

 

[mikewalsh]

Let me correct one thing. These are not females. They is no such thing as a trans female. Trans gendered person. This only accounts for appearance. Doesn't change the inside. Bottom line is if you analyze their DNA it will confirm male.

I understand that. The best way to solve this issue is for biological females to refuse to compete against the transgender athletes. The only people being harmed are female athletes.

 

[Abbo71]

You’re just speeding things up to get to the inevitable. One league for all humans. What about the animals? Why don’t they get to play?

Do the animals have to be transgender?

 

[TrueBlue1989]

Since we are politicizing everything, we should ban states with permissive abortion laws and legalized marijuana.

 

[Halldan1]

OK, this is now Life on the Ship worthy. I will transfer it there in a short while as I want those involved above to know where it is.

 

[cernjSHU]

Let me correct one thing. These are not females. They is no such thing as a trans female. Trans gendered person. This only accounts for appearance. Doesn't change the inside. Bottom line is if you analyze their DNA it will confirm male.

I am sure you have never met a transgendered female by the way you are talking. You think that they are men dressed as women. I have met a few. First, I saw many that you would have no clue that they were born male and probably better looking than any girl you ever been with. Two, I have also seen a preteen kid who was trans and also acted and appeared to be a girl. Whatever their genitalia was born with, it didn’t match them. So I have no issue with people being trans and living a life they thought they should be.

Now, with regard to trans women competing in female sports. That’s a tough question because you treat them as being female. But I don’t think if you are taking estrogen for a year that makes you female in the sense that you do not have a significant physical advantage. I don’t think they should be able to compete against women and take a ship away from someone born biologically a girl.

Now by the same token, if a trans man can play with biological boys then so be it. It is a bit hypocritical. But in the same time it’s not. You can live your life the way you want. But it does not give you the right to compete at a physical advantage.

 

[cernjSHU]

Since we are politicizing everything, we should ban states with permissive abortion laws and legalized marijuana.

Uhm?? This makes no sense

 

[SHUisNJsTeam]

Uhm?? This makes no sense

It absolutely does! Everyone wants to pick and choose what gets to be done where because someone hurt their feelings!

Should religious based colleges and universities get to tell the NCAA where they should or should not hold competitions based on how that state aligns with their religious beliefs? If everyone else can make these types of demands then why not?

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

wouldn’t the simplest answer be for all transgender athletes to compete in men’s sports? Once a dude always a dude as far as sports go.

 

[cams555]

Is not fair to women in any way. Women want equality yes but having a man dressed like a woman competing with women is no different than having a 15 yr old boy play down against 10 year olds. No league allows that. You can play up, not down. Same applies here. If a woman chooses to play against men so be it but women should not be forced to compete against men. There is a safety issue, same as the age limits in youth sports. Want to solve it? Create a co-ed team that anyone is free to compete on, otherwise you compete with your genetic gender. End of story. Anyone disagreeing, picture your 5'5" 130# 15 yr old daughter competing with a 6'2" 225# "trans girl" in say softball. Your daughter is pitching and this "girl" hits a 125mph line drive at her head, 40 ft away. Hershel Walker recently spoke on this subject and put it in perspective. He said right now at 59 if he decided to associate as a woman and enter the Olympics there are many events he win the gold hands down. How is that fair? What it does is make a mockery of women's sports. One more thought, if Ike and Jared Rhoden decided tomorrow that they want to compete with women at went to the women's team, does anyone doubt SHU would be national champs?

It sounds like you want your cake and eat it too.

The only point I am making is that some women are fighting for equality some transgender want to play sports against who they feel comfortable with.

There is no way to please everybody and creating more and more divisions isn't going to help it. To your 10 your old 15 year old example... I would challenge you the reverse. If somebody wanted to play in the 15 year old division when they were 10 and they are good enough they should be allowed.

If you flatten the playing field the best players will play for the best teams and get the best funding, the second best players will play for lower grade teams and get less funding and so on and so forth. If one gender is good enough to play with the other gender let it happen this way there are no complaints about funding or inequality. If you don't get to play then well I guess you weren't good enough.

Personally I think my idea is dumb but I am a traditionalist. I just cant identify another way for girls to get the funding they deserve without the revenue of the men and allow for transgender to compete. Where would the funding come for this third league you propose? Eventually we would have to come up with title 9a for this new unisex league you are proposing.

There is also the problem of players getting paid for their likeness in college sports and that will cause another hurdle for funding, and all of this is going on while "some schools" are saying they cant afford to keep their facilities up with other schools ... Do you see how this is all a slippery slope ?

 

[SHUSA]

Let me correct one thing. These are not females. They is no such thing as a trans female. Trans gendered person. This only accounts for appearance. Doesn't change the inside. Bottom line is if you analyze their DNA it will confirm male.

nope, its how you identify as one of the 300 genders!

 

[flconticello]

It sounds like you want your cake and eat it too.

The only point I am making is that some women are fighting for equality some transgender want to play sports against who they feel comfortable with.

There is no way to please everybody and creating more and more divisions isn't going to help it. To your 10 your old 15 year old example... I would challenge you the reverse. If somebody wanted to play in the 15 year old division when they were 10 and they are good enough they should be allowed.

If you flatten the playing field the best players will play for the best teams and get the best funding, the second best players will play for lower grade teams and get less funding and so on and so forth. If one gender is good enough to play with the other gender let it happen this way there are no complaints about funding or inequality. If you don't get to play then well I guess you weren't good enough.

Personally I think my idea is dumb but I am a traditionalist. I just cant identify another way for girls to get the funding they deserve without the revenue of the men and allow for transgender to compete. Where would the funding come for this third league you propose? Eventually we would have to come up with title 9a for this new unisex league you are proposing.

There is also the problem of players getting paid for their likeness in college sports and that will cause another hurdle for funding, and all of this is going on while "some schools" are saying they cant afford to keep their facilities up with other schools ... Do you see how this is all a slippery slope ?

With the 10 year old v 15 yr old your are proving my point. They ARE allowed to play up. You can choose to play up against older more physically advantaged competition if you feel you can compete. You CANNOT play down. Women should not be forced to play against men in a women's league. I could not for example play in a 15 year old's baseball league. It would be a huge competitive advantage due to my physical development over a young teenager. It's also not safe for those children. A man dressing like a woman competing against actual women is no different. We test athletes for drugs, test for genetic gender. They play on the team their genetics say they qualify for, not what you self identify as. The whole argument is ridiculous.

 

[flconticello]

I am sure you have never met a transgendered female by the way you are talking. You think that they are men dressed as women. I have met a few. First, I saw many that you would have no clue that they were born male and probably better looking than any girl you ever been with. Two, I have also seen a preteen kid who was trans and also acted and appeared to be a girl. Whatever their genitalia was born with, it didn’t match them. So I have no issue with people being trans and living a life they thought they should be.

Now, with regard to trans women competing in female sports. That’s a tough question because you treat them as being female. But I don’t think if you are taking estrogen for a year that makes you female in the sense that you do not have a significant physical advantage. I don’t think they should be able to compete against women and take a ship away from someone born biologically a girl.

Now by the same token, if a trans man can play with biological boys then so be it. It is a bit hypocritical. But in the same time it’s not. You can live your life the way you want. But it does not give you the right to compete at a physical advantage.

I never said they should not be allowed to live their lives as they like and feel comfortable. I am saying women in a women's league should not be forced to compete with what can't be argued, is a male. If a trans male (female) wants to compete with men, so be it. It's their choice to put themselves at a disadvantage. I don't care how you color it, how they look, etc. The science says they are men. Period. A boob job and sex reassignment surgery doesn't change that.

 

[Pirata]

Some related history:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1978/01/01/opposition-to-richards-apparently-growing/c248f8ce-0798-4e42-afd9-5c48003ab80b/

 

[HALL85]

To me the key differentiator is that it’s not a matter of what you identify. People are certainly free to do that as they wish. But there is a DNA/genetic difference and eligibility should be based solely on that. No different than age restrictions. Little League, for instance, has an age limit. You can’t compete against these kids if you are over that age (although some cheat!)

 

[SHUSA]

To me the key differentiator is that it’s not a matter of what you identify. People are certainly free to do that as they wish. But there is a DNA/genetic difference and eligibility should be based solely on that. No different than age restrictions. Little League, for instance, has an age limit. You can’t compete against these kids if you are over that age (although some cheat!)

my comments identify as 13 yrs old

 

[SPK145]

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

All I see is equality. Shame on the rest of you.

 

[ed odowd]

The whole thing is kinda of silly.The outstanding women’s soccer team that won the goal medal played a 15 year old boys team in Dallas prior to the Gold Cup and lost 5-1.Texas has girls wrestling so an average male wrestler declared himself and won back to back state championships I wonder if the father of the second place girl thought it was fair.I will go out on a limb and say he didn’t.Want to see if women tennis stars want to play their male counterparts doubt it because they would lose and say goodbye to the money.I know come on man Joe Biden is all for it to show his progressive side or maybe he simply doesn’t understand the implications kinda of like his new border policy that is working so well NOT.