Willard & Maryland 2nd Place In b1g…..

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Obviously. I mean we are talking about the top 75 players in all of college basketball. Clearly Big Mel fits into that category. SMH. Amazing what people believe was happening back in the day. Super competitive coaches with big salaries on the line had an unwritten rule about not buying players at a certain point. that’s logical. SMH again. You can’t make this stuff up.

SMH specific kids were getting money donations—top kids.

If you think Ro Gill and a plethora of other players including the ones I mentioned were getting paid to stay at the Hall, I don’t know what to tell you.

Could you point to anything at all that supports your assumption all players got some sort of payment???? Anything?

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

SMH specific kids were getting money donations—top kids.

If you think Ro Gill and a plethora of other players including the ones I mentioned were getting paid to stay at the Hall, I don’t know what to tell you.

Could you point to anything at all that supports your assumption all players got some sort of payment???? Anything?

All players and 75 players are 2 different things than what you and I said. I said over 500, not all.

Their cars. Their tattoos. Amazing how many kids show up with almost no tattoos and have sleeves when they leave and they don’t come from wealthy backgrounds. A poster claims Melvyn Oliver was bought. Not a top 75 player. Not a top 200 player in college basketball. Not a top 500 player in college basketball.

 

[TomD82]

All players and 75 players are 2 different things than what you and I said. I said over 500, not all.

Their cars. Their tattoos. Amazing how many kids show up with almost no tattoos and have sleeves when they leave and they don’t come from wealthy backgrounds.

Maybe the tatts were not as expensive as you think.

Pryor, 'Tattoo 5' want Ohio State records restored

Quarterback Terrelle Pryor and four other former Ohio State football players who were disciplined for receiving free tattoos and other impermissible benefits in exchange for memorabilia are asking for victories and individual records to be restored.

www.espn.com

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Maybe the tatts were not as expensive as you think.

Pryor, 'Tattoo 5' want Ohio State records restored

Quarterback Terrelle Pryor and four other former Ohio State football players who were disciplined for receiving free tattoos and other impermissible benefits in exchange for memorabilia are asking for victories and individual records to be restored.

www.espn.com

They got something. If you think players like Mamu, Rhoden and even guys like Molson weren’t getting bribes from other places and chose SHU for absolutely nothing I don’t know what to tell you. Recruiting is ugly and it always has been. If you think there was a code that schools stopped at some point. Chris Mack wanted Powell bad. If you think he wouldn’t offer him a few extra bucks to get him, you’re nuts.

 

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They got something. If you think players like Mamu, Rhoden and even guys like Molson weren’t getting bribes from other places and chose SHU for absolutely nothing I don’t know what to tell you. Recruiting is ugly and it always has been. If you think there was a code that schools stopped at some point. Chris Mack wanted Powell bad. If you think he wouldn’t offer him a few extra bucks to get him, you’re nuts.

Powell is just a different story. You keep calling his name. Ya gotta stop because I didn’t argue that. I actually supported that.

Outside of the known Amaker time period and some during the Gonzo era, the perks the players got were absolutely nothing compared to what it has become.

You think Donald Copeland got paid a lot of money? Karnishovas got paid? Andre Sweet from Duke? Paul Gause?

I don’t believe they did and they were well within some of the top players.

 

[TomD82]

They got something. If you think players like Mamu, Rhoden and even guys like Molson weren’t getting bribes from other places and chose SHU for absolutely nothing I don’t know what to tell you. Recruiting is ugly and it always has been. If you think there was a code that schools stopped at some point. Chris Mack wanted Powell bad. If you think he wouldn’t offer him a few extra bucks to get him, you’re nuts.

Even Bowen didn't get much back then and his father had to fight tooth and nail for it and get a billion dollar company involved. He got less than 20k. Now the going rate to get involved with almost any kid is 10 times the 100k Bowen's dad wanted. Don't let facts get in the way of your argument.

I swear you and the other gadfly ruin every freaking thread.

Brian Bowen: 'I didn't know anything' about alleged payment to play for Louisville

Louisville basketball parted ways with freshman wing Brian Bowen but allowed him to stay on scholarship and keep taking classes this year.

www.courier-journal.com

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Even Bowen didn't get much back then and his father had to fight tooth and nail for it and get a billion dollar company involved. He got less than 20k. Now the going rate to get involved with almost any kid is 10 times the 100k Bowen's dad wanted. Don't let facts get in the way of your argument.

I swear you and the other gadfly ruin every freaking thread.

Brian Bowen: 'I didn't know anything' about alleged payment to play for Louisville

Louisville basketball parted ways with freshman wing Brian Bowen but allowed him to stay on scholarship and keep taking classes this year.

www.courier-journal.com

And now the number of people contributing to paying is 100 times. Of course the cost went up but the principle of best offer still applied back then.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Powell is just a different story. You keep calling his name. Ya gotta stop because I didn’t argue that. I actually supported that.

Outside of the known Amaker time period and some during the Gonzo era, the perks the players got were absolutely nothing compared to what it has become.

You think Donald Copeland got paid a lot of money? Karnishovas got paid? Andre Sweet from Duke? Paul Gause?

I don’t believe they did and they were well within some of the top players.

A lot of money is never what you said. You said only the top 75 got paid.

 

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A lot of money is never what you said. You said only the top 75 got paid.

Yes. Do you think any of those player I mentioned got paid any money?

I said they got perks.

And those were stars of the a top 50 or so team. Not even the 3rd, 4th or 5th STARTER. Obviously not a bench player.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Yes. Do you think any of those player I mentioned got paid any money?

I said they got perks.

And those were stars of the a top 50 or so team. Not even the 3rd, 4th or 5th STARTER. Obviously not a bench player.

LOL so getting a car isn't getting paid. LMAO

Yes Sweet. He didn't go to Duke for nothing and when he left I'm sure he got something like his HS teammate Andre got, not as much but something

 

[TomD82]

Powell is just a different story. You keep calling his name. Ya gotta stop because I didn’t argue that. I actually supported that.

Outside of the known Amaker time period and some during the Gonzo era, the perks the players got were absolutely nothing compared to what it has become.

You think Donald Copeland got paid a lot of money? Karnishovas got paid? Andre Sweet from Duke? Paul Gause?

I don’t believe they did and they were well within some of the top players.

And today the kids, their parents or their handlers don't even have to shake down anyone to get today's amounts.

 

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LOL so getting a car isn't getting paid. LMAO

Yes Sweet. He didn't go to Duke for nothing and when he left I'm sure he got something like his HS teammate Andre got, not as much but something

How about this:

How many kids that didn’t play at a power conference got money? None. Not McCollum at Lehigh or Dame at Weber St, Steph at Davidson or Morant at Murray St.

And those were bonafide stars.

Randomly if you selected 2 stars per every power team—give or take some like Duke giving to everyone and Wash St giving to probably no one—and it isn’t as many as you think.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

How about this:

How many kids that didn’t play at a power conference got money? None. Not McCollum at Lehigh or Dame at Weber St, Steph at Davidson or Morant at Murray St.

And those were bonafide stars.

Randomly if you selected 2 stars per every power team—give or take some like Duke giving to everyone and Wash St giving to probably no one—and it isn’t as many as you think.

Gonzaga continually getting top talent for free over big boys? Wichita State funded by the Koch brothers? I trust Gregg Marshall was an honest guy there. LOL

According to NYShoreGuy we paid Melvyn Oliver the 8th man, 9th man in our rotation. And if we did it so did every one did it. In the world of recruiting Seton Hall comparatively is saints compared to what Boheim, Calhoun, K, Izzo, Williams, Wright, Pearl etc did. I just named 7 coaches who probably had 40 players in a season paid really well and more who got smaller amounts. And you got 75 in all of college basketball with 60+ P5 college teams not even mentioned.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Gonzaga continually getting top talent for free over big boys? Wichita State funded by the Koch brothers? I trust Gregg Marshall was an honest guy there. LOL

According to NYShoreGuy we paid Melvyn Oliver the 8th man, 9th man in our rotation. And if we did it so did every one did it. In the world of recruiting Seton Hall comparatively is saints compared to what Boheim, Calhoun, K, Izzo, Williams, Wright, Pearl etc did. I just named 7 coaches who probably had 40 players in a season paid really well and more who got smaller amounts. And you got 75 in all of college basketball with 60+ P5 college teams not even mentioned.

Shame on me, how could I ever forget Pitino and Calipari. That Calipari team that as 38-1, that was 10 deep, only paid 3-4 guys. LOL Towns, Cauley-Stein, Johnson, Booker, Lyles, Harrison brothers, Ulis, Lee. Most of them were McD AA's. Nobody went to school for nothing.

 

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Gonzaga continually getting top talent for free over big boys? Wichita State funded by the Koch brothers? I trust Gregg Marshall was an honest guy there. LOL

According to NYShoreGuy we paid Melvyn Oliver the 8th man, 9th man in our rotation. And if we did it so did every one did it. In the world of recruiting Seton Hall comparatively is saints compared to what Boheim, Calhoun, K, Izzo, Williams, Wright, Pearl etc did. I just named 7 coaches who probably had 40 players in a season paid really well and more who got smaller amounts. And you got 75 in all of college basketball with 60+ P5 college teams not even mentioned.

Again—top 20 programs when Wichita and Gonzaga were getting top 40/50 players.

And all the coaches you named—in addition to the two perennial second weekend teams—supports my theory.

Thank you.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Again—top 20 programs when Wichita and Gonzaga were getting top 40/50 players.

And all the coaches you named—in addition to the two perennial second weekend teams—supports my theory.

Thank you.

We bought an 8th man in our rotation. And we're Seton Hall, literally a weak link if not the weak link in the world of buying players from a power conference. There was 70 power conference schools. 70x8=560. players, not 75 players. That doesn't support your theory.

And do you think Gregg Marshall when he stopped being top 20 said, yeah this being top 20 thing is overrated let me stop paying players? Or maybe they kept paying and just weren't good enough despite it? Or nobody in the conference said Gregg's paying people let's do the same. Nobody had that competitive itch to advance their career by getting involved the same game. Everyone else found religion. LOL