Women getting blown out 50-26 at half
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Here at game.
Team looks like they did not bother to show up to play.
Small and embarrassing fan showing.
I am pretty disgusted.
Team looks like they did not bother to show up to play.
Small and embarrassing fan showing.
I am pretty disgusted.
DePaul was red hot and we couldn't do anything right in the second and most of the third. The comeback was nice (got to within 7 late), but the hole was way too deep.
Blue and I were sitting literally across the arena with mirrored disgusted looks.
I will do a write up of what I saw... Whole team, including coach.
Don't know if it'll be today or tomorrow.
Hopefully @TheBluePirate will also do his usual right up.
I will do a write up of what I saw... Whole team, including coach.
Don't know if it'll be today or tomorrow.
Hopefully @TheBluePirate will also do his usual right up.
Could not be there but it was a pretty dismal crowd on TV..
We shot 31% at half, DePaul 57 %.
Gave it a very good run in the late stages but wasn't enough. The anncr said we were very disorganized until later in the game. She was right.
DePaul has all guards on the roster. Everyone can handle the ball and shoot. Interesting approach by Coach Doug Bruno - 30 years at DePaul. Older guy who has built an enduring program.
It's only one game. We'll be back . But it's the very tough Johnnies on Saturday in Queens. As Sinatra says: " the road gets rougher , it's lonely and tougher"...
We shot 31% at half, DePaul 57 %.
Gave it a very good run in the late stages but wasn't enough. The anncr said we were very disorganized until later in the game. She was right.
DePaul has all guards on the roster. Everyone can handle the ball and shoot. Interesting approach by Coach Doug Bruno - 30 years at DePaul. Older guy who has built an enduring program.
It's only one game. We'll be back . But it's the very tough Johnnies on Saturday in Queens. As Sinatra says: " the road gets rougher , it's lonely and tougher"...
Just got back from the game.
What a pathetic showing by SHU "fans." It was a top 25 matchup and there were only about 300-400 fans at Walsh.
More pathetic was the performance of the Pirates at home. During the the first half they looked liked they didn't even want to be there. The looks on the faces were these confused stares. The body language was that of a person who just awoke after a long night. WTF was that about?
Nobody on this team should complain again this season about lack of recognition from the AP or USA Today. Their two biggest challenges- Georgia and DePaul- have been major fails.
Unless they win the BE Championship, they don't belong in the rankings.
Then there was the help defense that left DePaul players wide open time after time after time after time after time... It was like a Cyndi Lauper song- Time After Time.
DePaul played like a team that has played a much tougher schedule than SHU.
The coaches must have been quit upset. The Pirates came out of the locker room very late during halftime. They didn't even warm up. They went straight into a huddle.
Yes, they were down by 32 and cut it to seven... and if they hit that three attempt they had a chance to cut it to four with lots of time left. But who cares? By that time the ladies were exhausted. DePaul hit two more wide open threes to extend the lead.
The most disappointing part of the game is that our Pirates are a very good team. They are good enough to play in the NCAA. The are good enough to beat DePaul at DePaul during the next game.
But you have to be ready to play. And you have to forget the help D and the Cyndi Lauper D.
I hope they get fired up because they will have to play their best game of the season if they plan to win at St. John's on Saturday.
What a pathetic showing by SHU "fans." It was a top 25 matchup and there were only about 300-400 fans at Walsh.
More pathetic was the performance of the Pirates at home. During the the first half they looked liked they didn't even want to be there. The looks on the faces were these confused stares. The body language was that of a person who just awoke after a long night. WTF was that about?
Nobody on this team should complain again this season about lack of recognition from the AP or USA Today. Their two biggest challenges- Georgia and DePaul- have been major fails.
Unless they win the BE Championship, they don't belong in the rankings.
Then there was the help defense that left DePaul players wide open time after time after time after time after time... It was like a Cyndi Lauper song- Time After Time.
DePaul played like a team that has played a much tougher schedule than SHU.
The coaches must have been quit upset. The Pirates came out of the locker room very late during halftime. They didn't even warm up. They went straight into a huddle.
Yes, they were down by 32 and cut it to seven... and if they hit that three attempt they had a chance to cut it to four with lots of time left. But who cares? By that time the ladies were exhausted. DePaul hit two more wide open threes to extend the lead.
The most disappointing part of the game is that our Pirates are a very good team. They are good enough to play in the NCAA. The are good enough to beat DePaul at DePaul during the next game.
But you have to be ready to play. And you have to forget the help D and the Cyndi Lauper D.
I hope they get fired up because they will have to play their best game of the season if they plan to win at St. John's on Saturday.
I could only listen to the game on WSOU and it's hard to give a good opinion
on our first half play. A couple of points:
To The Blue Pirate, Don't get too down on the lack of a crowd tonight. It was just bad luck
of the draw on when this game was played. No students on campus, right after a very long
holiday weekend and freezing cold. In addition there was no real buildup so early in the BigEast season. I'd bet there would have been well over a 1000 if this was played on a Sunday later in the season. The crowd seemed to be making a lot of noise in the 2nd half.
To be down by 32 to anyone this side of UConn at home is inexcusable for where this program is. Lack of focus, desire and a late wakeup call. Our stars seemed to lay an egg
in the first half.
The good part was the comeback. Hey that was a long way back and they had a real chance
to cut it to 4. That shows that they have fortitude and that the coaching staff had finally reached them at halftime. In addition they at least made it look like a close game on the scoreboard. You don't want a 20+ loss at home on your resume if an at large bid to the NCAA"s comes into question.
I would not burn the tape on this. Study, study, study on the way DePaul exploited you
in the first half.
on our first half play. A couple of points:
To The Blue Pirate, Don't get too down on the lack of a crowd tonight. It was just bad luck
of the draw on when this game was played. No students on campus, right after a very long
holiday weekend and freezing cold. In addition there was no real buildup so early in the BigEast season. I'd bet there would have been well over a 1000 if this was played on a Sunday later in the season. The crowd seemed to be making a lot of noise in the 2nd half.
To be down by 32 to anyone this side of UConn at home is inexcusable for where this program is. Lack of focus, desire and a late wakeup call. Our stars seemed to lay an egg
in the first half.
The good part was the comeback. Hey that was a long way back and they had a real chance
to cut it to 4. That shows that they have fortitude and that the coaching staff had finally reached them at halftime. In addition they at least made it look like a close game on the scoreboard. You don't want a 20+ loss at home on your resume if an at large bid to the NCAA"s comes into question.
I would not burn the tape on this. Study, study, study on the way DePaul exploited you
in the first half.
Plus virtually high school team in the state was playing tonight. The high school girls hoops crowd comprises a large chunk of the people who'll attend a women's college game. And they were all occupied tonight. Maybe that was a good thing.
Stayed until the last 30 seconds.
DePaul is a very well coached team. We will not beat them playing straight up M/M basketball. They shredded that defense with motion and sharing the ball. In the first half I don't think they took one low quality shot. Major kudos to their coach. I was tremendously impressed.
In the second half we cut a 32 point lead to 7 but could get no closer. We did that by pressuring the ball all over the court and then falling back into a zone at times. IMO that's the only way we will beat this team.
We are more athletic but they are more disciplined with better skill sets including shooting.
Tony must have really gotten into the ears of the girls at halftime, they barely came out in time for the tip-off and when they did come back on the floor surprisingly they walked out of the locker room instead of running.
That lack of passion turned into an immediate 8-0 run by DePaul to begin the 3rd quarter.
From there the real Bozzella team showed up and the Hall dominated the rest of the game. But it was too late.
Regarding the crowd...they were loud and deserved major credit for inspiring the team to come back, but the attendance was dismal.
SHU fans clamor for BB success but when we get it the support isn't always there and that's disappointing.
DePaul is a very well coached team. We will not beat them playing straight up M/M basketball. They shredded that defense with motion and sharing the ball. In the first half I don't think they took one low quality shot. Major kudos to their coach. I was tremendously impressed.
In the second half we cut a 32 point lead to 7 but could get no closer. We did that by pressuring the ball all over the court and then falling back into a zone at times. IMO that's the only way we will beat this team.
We are more athletic but they are more disciplined with better skill sets including shooting.
Tony must have really gotten into the ears of the girls at halftime, they barely came out in time for the tip-off and when they did come back on the floor surprisingly they walked out of the locker room instead of running.
That lack of passion turned into an immediate 8-0 run by DePaul to begin the 3rd quarter.
From there the real Bozzella team showed up and the Hall dominated the rest of the game. But it was too late.
Regarding the crowd...they were loud and deserved major credit for inspiring the team to come back, but the attendance was dismal.
SHU fans clamor for BB success but when we get it the support isn't always there and that's disappointing.
You are obviously not invested in this team and what our program should be like.
That how I read your comments (and yes, the loss smarts, but so does the lack of expectations and support).
It was reported that coach DeFalco said at halftime to SOU: "They are not following the offensive game plan. They are not following the defensive game plan. I don't know what they're doing." And that she was majorly pissed off.
We could tell within five minutes that they were a half-step slow.
Basically - whatever it was, they did not show up. When they finally went to the game plan, they showed what they can do - but too little, too late.
The thing that Pat and I talked about is that if they stray from the game plan, they finally met a team where they were individually overmatched at many positions. This is a way to understand just how much coaching impact has in the success of the team so far. Great preparation overcomes individual matchup issues versus the opponent.
In that sense, since they take their "willpower direction" from how Tabatha and Tiffany play or do not play, this is why they fell apart in the second quarter. I don't want to go into an individual report because that only emphasizes the failures last night.
Last shot again at attendance: I've watched ball in the Mangina years, the Donovan years and now the Bozzella years. Only in Bozzella's years have we been watching games where Top 10 / Top 15 / Top 25 aspirations are realistic and where the play has been many times more exciting than watching typical men's basketball.
We could tell within five minutes that they were a half-step slow.
Basically - whatever it was, they did not show up. When they finally went to the game plan, they showed what they can do - but too little, too late.
The thing that Pat and I talked about is that if they stray from the game plan, they finally met a team where they were individually overmatched at many positions. This is a way to understand just how much coaching impact has in the success of the team so far. Great preparation overcomes individual matchup issues versus the opponent.
In that sense, since they take their "willpower direction" from how Tabatha and Tiffany play or do not play, this is why they fell apart in the second quarter. I don't want to go into an individual report because that only emphasizes the failures last night.
Last shot again at attendance: I've watched ball in the Mangina years, the Donovan years and now the Bozzella years. Only in Bozzella's years have we been watching games where Top 10 / Top 15 / Top 25 aspirations are realistic and where the play has been many times more exciting than watching typical men's basketball.
SHUATHLETLE your thoughts do not show that you truly support the Women's team.
The Girls performance last night reminded me of last years Men's team at this time. Last year at this time the Men's team thought they were better than they really were. And didn't need to give the effort day in and day out. This being said knowing how hard this coaching staff works and its dedication to blue and white, this stuff and this attitude will not continue to exist in the women's locker room and on the court! Go All.
The Girls performance last night reminded me of last years Men's team at this time. Last year at this time the Men's team thought they were better than they really were. And didn't need to give the effort day in and day out. This being said knowing how hard this coaching staff works and its dedication to blue and white, this stuff and this attitude will not continue to exist in the women's locker room and on the court! Go All.
Sami, I'm not retired - many people there are not retired. Unfair comment.
I am not calling out individuals. Not demanding anyone to add a rooting interest that does not work for them.
Just frustrated because I care so much for this particular program.
I am not calling out individuals. Not demanding anyone to add a rooting interest that does not work for them.
Just frustrated because I care so much for this particular program.
Well I would think that if we weren't "fans", the support would be even less. The fact that there were 400 people there with school on break on a cold Tuesday in January, with multiple threads on a message board, and people talking about watching on tv and listening is a pretty incredible uptick in support for the program.
As bad as it sounds, some the biggest of men's SHUBB fans have minimal interest in womens basketball. They all want the team to do well, but its really really tough for a team that isnt a perennial powerhouse to pack a stadium (esp over winter break as mentioned). Yes, it would be great to have as much support we can for every team, but its difficult enough to pack the house for our favorite sport. So its not really surprising. Its just a tough sport to watch.
As for the blowout, like 90% of womens bball games are blowouts.
As for the blowout, like 90% of womens bball games are blowouts.
It was one very bad game. Even the great teams have them. But the team did not quit and made it a little exciting at the end. We are however a gaudy 13-2 but perhaps Tony's fast success has made us expect too much.
Let's see how we do against a very aggressive Johnnies team on Saturday. It will be tough.
Secondly, 6 years ago, hell 3 years ago- very few of us gave a damn about women's basketball. We now have a team we care about, talk about, argue about, criticize, and praise.
More fans go to the games then ever before. We are ranked- our name is in the listings. We are on TV a lot There are 349 D-I womens programs and ours is in the top 10%. This should make all Pirate fans very proud.
Blue Pirate has said" this is a team to love". So let's not lose faith, hope or charity because of one bad game.
Let's see how we do against a very aggressive Johnnies team on Saturday. It will be tough.
Secondly, 6 years ago, hell 3 years ago- very few of us gave a damn about women's basketball. We now have a team we care about, talk about, argue about, criticize, and praise.
More fans go to the games then ever before. We are ranked- our name is in the listings. We are on TV a lot There are 349 D-I womens programs and ours is in the top 10%. This should make all Pirate fans very proud.
Blue Pirate has said" this is a team to love". So let's not lose faith, hope or charity because of one bad game.
Women's college Basketball has arrived in South Orange and on the Pirate crew message board. Years ago no one would care if we lost a game at home. Now we have over 20 posted comments and posters bickering Just like they do after a men's loss. To me it shows that people now care and that is a good thing. DePaul came out on fire but we did a great job fighting back. They could have folded up but instead fought back very hard and had Bruno and crew worried. A sign of a good team is how they respond to adversity.
Some of these responses are ridiculous and seem to have a certain level of engrained chauvinism in them - but that part of the conversation, I guess, is for another day... "that's what women's basketball is".
Sorry, but this is not like your local HS girl's bball team. These are high level D1 athletes. We are much closer to a high level team then a "typical women's team"... Whatever that means.
BTW, Sami... Idk your work situation... But I left work at 6:30 last night and was in the gym by 7:02... No traffic, anywhere.
Sorry, but this is not like your local HS girl's bball team. These are high level D1 athletes. We are much closer to a high level team then a "typical women's team"... Whatever that means.
BTW, Sami... Idk your work situation... But I left work at 6:30 last night and was in the gym by 7:02... No traffic, anywhere.
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I totally agree with this. The fans that attended were frustrated by the performance and the attendance. Your point is spot on.
We've come so far and this was just temporary roadblock.
Some perspective I hope: Several years ago I took the train to go watch SHU play in a tournament at LIU. There were only a handful of Hall fans there including the AD Quinlan. Although the gals tried hard it was like watching a high school team. In addition about once a year they would televise one of the games on MSG or an outlet like that. If you recall the offensive sets were problematic at best and they could go long stretches without even getting a decent shot attempt. That was "Old School" women's basketball, especially for teams like Seton Hall. It was hard to watch and quite boring. The fan interest was minimal and almost zero discussion on the message boards except for the usual bashing of the coach and criticism of the Athletic Department.
A few years ago I watched SHU play a game at South Carolina who were ranked at the time. For much of the game SHU competed like I had not witnessed before. The level of play had been elevated to another level. We had players that could score and their seemed to finally be a system in place. From that point forward the SHU has become a program that could probably compete against just about any team in the country except for the real elite schools. I think SHU could beat most teams if they were to play at Walsh. We have players with high basketball IQ, we have players that can take the ball to the basket, players that can shoot the 3 on a respectable level and players that can score in the paint. This coaching staff has put a system in place and are recruiting "Quality" players from all over the country.
What I would say is that SHU is not good enough where they can just show up. Not many teams can either. I guess we can say that the lack of attendance was disappointing for a crucial game, but Walsh has been drawing bigger crowds the last few years and they have become a factor.
Now they have to get back to work. The goal still has to be both an automatic bid or an at large bid to the NCAA tournament. Both are realistic. That's how far this program has come. They will have some good crowds this year if they can maintain a high level of play. No doubt about it.
Last night was just a bad night. That's all
No we arent. The top 5 are always miles ahead of the next 20-50 teams.
Just look at the scoreboard the day before. This is why only the top teams will maintain interest.
http://scores.espn.go.com/womens-college-basketball/scoreboard/_/date/20160104
It was really the second quarter that was a disaster. (The second quarter was also bad at Creighton.) It was a combination of non-existing defense and the fact that most of the starters could not hit the ocean.
I checked the Gametracker during a TO in the second half and three starters were something like 1-17.
Lost in the disappointment was Tiffany Jones with 14 points and 16 rebounds. Unfortunately, she was also afflicted with offense issues. She was 0-5 on threes when she normally hits 2-3 shots.
Shakeena Richardson was seriously off. I wouldn't be surprised if she was playing while under the weather. She was not herself. It was the earliest I've seen Smith come in for her.
This team, however, is capable of going on a 10-game winning streak. Hopefully, they will shake it off, correct their mistakes and be ready for the short trip to Jamaica.
I checked the Gametracker during a TO in the second half and three starters were something like 1-17.
Lost in the disappointment was Tiffany Jones with 14 points and 16 rebounds. Unfortunately, she was also afflicted with offense issues. She was 0-5 on threes when she normally hits 2-3 shots.
Shakeena Richardson was seriously off. I wouldn't be surprised if she was playing while under the weather. She was not herself. It was the earliest I've seen Smith come in for her.
This team, however, is capable of going on a 10-game winning streak. Hopefully, they will shake it off, correct their mistakes and be ready for the short trip to Jamaica.
The step function for WBB is similar in structure but has different cutoff points.
- UConn - in another galaxy
- Notre Dame and Stanford (because of all-world coaches)
- Then 5-7 elite programs
- Then the next 20 - but not really much more
- And then a huge waste land
That's the thing - this is only the second time our program has flown up in that top stretch.
Hey I thought last night was my fault. LoL I have two season tickets and last night was my first game..,
Don't get frustrated blue and all the rest of you diehards. Tony is building at great speed but games like this along the way will happen while getting there.
There is much passion in this program and we will be a preeminent power for future to come.
Don't get frustrated blue and all the rest of you diehards. Tony is building at great speed but games like this along the way will happen while getting there.
There is much passion in this program and we will be a preeminent power for future to come.
WBB to me is boring, I hope they win every game they play, but I would rather watch Prov/Marq over watching that game.
I'm glad we have a great coach who has turned around the program.
I'm glad we have a great coach who has turned around the program.
It was obvious that they were not following the offensive gameplan in the first half. But the offense is pretty frenetic to begin with, so without focus it doesn't take much from a high-quality team to knock it off the rails.
I don't think the team was a step too slow last night, I just don't think they were prepared for DePaul using Podkowa as a decoy and the DePaul offense flowing the way that it did. The team panicked, a frenetic offense quickly turned to out of control, and nothing went right for the Pirates for the whole second quarter and a good portion of the third.
Athletically, I think SHU is every bit as good as DePaul, if not better. A game like this shows the value of somebody like Didi Simmons and shows potential pitfalls of tossing random pieces onto a team and have them face off against a veteran team that has been playing together under a great coach.
With this team's talent and Tony's coaching, I think we will have a very good season. Last night gave the team a lot of things to work on. Hopefully the team will get back on the winning track and have the winning continue when they head out to Chicago at the end of the month.
6711, I really like your point on Podkowa - that she was a decoy - and she thus had 0 points by design - in the first half. However, I remain unsure that Tony would not have prepared for that possibility since I think they really were - to my eyes seeing them every game - SLOW.
Here's where they were slow from the onset:
Anyway - the above was not to get down on them - it was to try to confirm observations.
Here's where they were slow from the onset:
- getting back to set the defense in time - over and over again, they were just beginning to turn around to face DePaul as DePaul was already infiltrating past the perimeter.
- inbounder after a basket frequently stuck without an immediately available PG to receive the pass - lapsed on this quite a number of times
- defender getting back to the wrong position on the floor because she had not marked her man from the instant of the turnover of possession
- tending to "lope" (that graceful but relaxed stride) versus "burning it up" during movement up and down the floor - contributed to a ton of deflections / lack of outlet options
Anyway - the above was not to get down on them - it was to try to confirm observations.
