Wow Mets proved to be more competitive
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I hope Soto wants to be with the more competitive team too. Rather than watching his teammates dropping routine balls and the pitcher pointing to the first baseman to run to the bag! Soto says Yankees don't hold an edge in his free agency
Don’t disrespect the Little Leaguers like that. Gotta love the guts. of Dave Roberts to use his Game 7 starter who pitched 48 hours earlier.
Gerrit cole should be sprinting off the mound to cover...pfps, first day when camp opens in Feb
Stop with the nonsense. The guy pitched an absolutely gem despite absolutely abysmal defense by his CF and SS and not one Yankee at the steps to greet him. Thought that was very telling. If Cole should be sprinting on PFPs in February the rest of the team should report November 1st.
Ok let me clarify...pfps start day 1 when pitchers report to camp...not sure why he did not cover the bag there
He screwed up. Just like the entire yankee team did all series. Dodgers got guys on moved them over and got them in all series. Yankees got guys on and struck out all series. Looking at one play is missing the big picture of what went wrong. In big moments one team put the ball in play, the other tried to go big and ended up being small. Cole should be the last yankee to be criticized. 2 very good games.
7 players who are now eligible for free agency in Soto, Torres, Holmes , Kahnle , Verdugo, Hill and Loaisga and 4 players with opt outs in Cole, Rizzo Trivino and Weaver the Yankee roster will need major restructuring if they are to be competitive.next season.
Yikes, to think they were not competitive is ridiculous. They played stupidly and there were some ill advised managerial moves. They did win the American League Pennant considering how they played throughout most of the summer I was ok with their outcome.,
Not competitive?
How are these scores not competitive?
Dodger 25 runs
Yankees 24 runs
Yankees blew two late leads in game 1
Won game 4 by 7 runs
And blew a 5-0 lead in game five.
Give the Dodgers credit they played cleaner baseball and did what the had to do. The Yankees, especially in game five, fell apart in that one inning. But the series was competitive and if not for a play here, or a play there they could have had a 3 - 2 game lead. Bad baseball when it counted.
Game 1: Dodgers 6, Yankees 3 (10 innings)- Game 2: Dodgers 4, Yankees 2
- Game 3: Dodgers 4, Yankees 2
- Game 4: Yankees 11, Dodgers 4
- Game 5: Dodgers 7, Yankees 6
How are these scores not competitive?
Dodger 25 runs
Yankees 24 runs
Yankees blew two late leads in game 1
Won game 4 by 7 runs
And blew a 5-0 lead in game five.
Give the Dodgers credit they played cleaner baseball and did what the had to do. The Yankees, especially in game five, fell apart in that one inning. But the series was competitive and if not for a play here, or a play there they could have had a 3 - 2 game lead. Bad baseball when it counted.
Yankees are built to win over the course of 162. Built to pound 4th and 5th guys in rotations. You don’t see those guys in the playoffs and it shows. Mookie Betts went into his last at bat just looking get a pitch he could drive to the outfield to score the runner. Yankees look to murder the ball every swing when so many key situations just require shortening up and putting the ball in play.
Kudos to the big fall season by Stanton otherwise they might have been home sooner.
The Mets were absolutely not more competitive.
The Dodgers simply pummeled them into oblivion four times. Absolutely non competitive in all of those games.
Let’s not go crazy here
The Dodgers simply pummeled them into oblivion four times. Absolutely non competitive in all of those games.
Let’s not go crazy here
Mets swept all four games against the Yankees during the season. A subway series would have been great but the Dodgers were just better versus both NY teams.
Those regular season results are meaningless in context. Markedly different rosters, health, etc. then vs. October, for both teams.
All of the Mariners, Rays and Indians swept the Mets this year.
Does that mean they were better than the Mets overall? I certainly don't think so.
Yankees are so top heavy.
The Dodgers are fun to watch. They’ve got guys that go with pitches, they take bases, play good defense, guys like Kiki and Edman.
Such a nice way of saying they play old school baseball and not just home run derby.
Understand [original] poster's frustration but "disgrace" is too emotional; disappointment is more accurate.
Too much criticism for bottom of the lineup; not enough for Cole and Judge.
Dodgers just better ... team and organization by 4 to 1. That applies to Roberts over Boone, too.
Less than 50-50 Soto signs with them.
Too much criticism for bottom of the lineup; not enough for Cole and Judge.
Dodgers just better ... team and organization by 4 to 1. That applies to Roberts over Boone, too.
Less than 50-50 Soto signs with them.
Remember—the Mets had the best regular season record since June 1 of any team.
It’s hard to know how the Mets and Yankees would have done against each other.
It would have been fun to see though.
We were talking about the Mets, Yankees and Dodgers. The Yankees played the Royals, Tigers and Cleveland. The Mets had to get past the Braves then played the Brewers and Phillies and took the Dodgers to six games.
This isn’t at all responsive to my point - which is frankly unsurprising since there really is no credible response.
You suggested that the fact that the Mets swept the Yankees in the regular season was indicative of the relative strength of the two teams.
I pointed out that by your very same logic the regular season indicated that SEA, TB, and CLE were stronger than the Mets.
And I noted that if both weren’t true, that your logic was flawed.
Which it was.
Your response very clearly avoids any of this.
And we can go in circles forever about this.
LA had two bullpen games against the Mets and only one against NYY.
The Yankees scored 24 runs to LAD 25, while the Mets were blown off the field in all four of their losses.
The Braves were gutted by injuries and still managed to hang with the Mets all year.
This whole comparison thing is pointless.
Not sure why Mets fans feel compelled to start threads like this given the irrelevance of it all.
The Mets had two bullpen games because they were able to win a Game 5, started by Flaherty, something the Yankees couldn’t do. And the dodgers best player was running around with 1 arm for the majority of the World Series.
I don't think " not competitive" is true at all.
Runs: Dodgers 25, Yankees 24
Average: Dodgers .206, Yankees .212
Home Runs: Dodgers 7, Yankees 9
Avg w/ RISP: Dodgers .184, Yankees .200
What cost the Yankees this series was questionable coaching decisions, sloppy defense, and their best player pulling a Houdini act. This series was far closer than it looked, but unfortunately it won't be viewed that way.
Boone lets his ace pitch past 88 pitches in Game 1, and Judge can make a little league level catch in the OF in Game 5, it's 3-2 with the Dodgers up against the wall. Dodgers won, they deserve it, but the Yankees gave it away as much as anything else. Was definitely competitive IMO.
He didn't just "not cover the bag". He took off at a bad angle and realized he was burnt. You can see him come off the mound and start pointing when he realized he was cooked. There's no catching Mookie Betts if you don't play it properly off contact.
Rizzo, FWIW, definitely took all the time in the world fielding that ball and had zero situational awareness. He simply expected Cole to be there and was not observant. Both deserve blame in the error, but from my position I felt like Rizzo should have picked his teammate up there and was clueless.
Because Mets fan historically have this inferiority complex lol
Grasping at straws trying to find anything to appear better than the Yankees at.
The same thing will happen with the Soto sweepstakes. Should the Yankees land him, the fanbase will (mostly) be happy and they will move on. Should the Mets spend more to land him, they will talk about how they "won" Soto from the Bronx for the rest of civilization's existence.
The Yankees ran into trouble once they ran out of AL Central teams to play.
The playoffs are a different animal, though. You have to be built to win these series, and you also have to be hot. The Yankees got hot, but they don't have the depth of starting pitching, their bullpen is bad, their defense is horrendous, they aren't athletic, and they have low baseball IQ.
But it's something how far a couple big bats rolling at the right time can carry a team despite that all. Imagine if Aaron Judge were still alive...
I didn’t start the thread. Just pointing out a few facts. As noted above, the Yankees had some great players this year— Judge and Soto, they carried the team. Stanton got hot in the playoffs. But they were terrible in most ever other phase— defense, speed, situational awareness and a leaky bullpen. Those things matter more the further a team gets in the playoffs.
1. Sorry, stating that the Yankees bullpen is bad is utter nonsense and just lessens your credibility here. Tim Hill, Clay Holmes, Mark Leiter Jr., Tommy Kahnle and Luke Weaver combined for 14.2 innings of shutout baseball going into Game 5. It's not the bullpen's fault that it inserted Nestor Cortes in to blow Game 1, that is squarely on the shoulders of Aaron Boone for running through everyone in that game too early. Derek Jeter said it himself, there would be a price to be paid for it and it was. Tommy Kahnle finally had an off night in Game 5 and, instead of getting pulled timely, Aaron Boone opted to leave him in to languish in a do or die game and load the bases up before finally pulling him.
2. Stating the Yankees didn't have the depth of starting pitching is questionable. I guess you opine to knowing more than analysts and pundits, who deemed it a strength going into the WS. Unfortunately, they didn't produce at the worst time. Hindsight is always 20/20, but they didn't walk into the WS as it being a weakness they failed to address.
3. The comment about defense is interesting. Verdugo is known as a high-quality defender. Judge is known as a high-quality defender (the error was his first all year). Volpe is a gold glove winning SS. Rizzo is a 4-time gold glove winning 1B. Half of their position players are know quantities defensively. The players are undisciplined which, along with what is perceived is "low baseball iq" rests fairly on the shoulders of the managerial staff IMO. For several seasons now, Boone has enabled a culture of lax fundamentals, excusing errors and poor decision making in the field. Quality players have lost form and substance out in the field because it's clear he isn't enforcing fundamentals the way other managers are. The results are in fact the results, but I strongly beg to differ on the root of the problem.
4. Lastly, for all your talk about how the playoffs are "a different animal". I won't disagree, however let's not pretend the Dodgers were some juggernaut in all these areas that the Yankees were not. Their rotation and bullpen gave up nearly an identical amount of runs, more home runs, allowed for a marginally higher batting average and RISP average. This means their offense and pitching performed equally as well (or as bad) as the Yankees did.
At the end of the day, the organization beat themselves as much, if not more, than the Dodgers beat them. They'd still be playing right now if they had a better manager IMO.
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