knowknow456 said:

Your career will span decades. Most of these players have a career of 4-6 years. They are not making it up later on. Richmond and Davis are possibly fringe NBA players and even for them it would be better to take the short term money. The players will do exactly what you did; they will act in their best interest. More times than not, taking the money is in their best interest.

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I hear you, and I don't stand in their shoes or understand their individual situations. All are different. It's an individualized choice and scenario. I just don't think it is out of the realm of possibility that some will not chase the absolute highest dollar. Some will view their choice as a career investment -- even if that career is limited to 4-6 years, you can perhaps set yourself up better professionally, whether that is domestic or overseas, to earn more throughout that period if you choose somewhere for somewhat less $$ that has other attractive aspects.

catholicman said:

Being McCarrick's secretary is something different than what it sounds like. A bishop's secretary is more like a flunkie or gopher. He brings the bishops vestments, miter, staff to public Masses and may drive him around. But the bishop's srcretary has nothing to do with policy decisions, scheduling appointments, or anything like that. It's usually a very young priest too.

Did he run the seminary during McCarrick's tenure? I dont think so.

You're points are based on bad information.

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The points about what McCarrick did are right on. Whether our new Pres spent a lot of time with him and did not handle things at the Seminary correctly I do not know for sure and never said I did. It still sounds like a big problem unfortunately. If he was with McCarrick and later ran the Seminary and brushed something under the rug, it is not a good look. The BORs should have vetted that and steered clear. I'm blaming the BORs not our new President. There are lots of good priests who have been accused that are innocent. Lots that are guilty too. Unfortunately the church continues to screw this up and opens itself up to this scrutiny. BORs should have avoided the scrutiny if there was any question when they chose a new President. Can't mess up two Presidents in a row but it seems that may be the case. Hoping it gets settled soon and we move on to the business of running Seton Hall. I wish we weren't talking about this as our University doesn't need continued bad press.

Shaheton said:

1983 is forty years ago and life expectancy is but one factor- why shouldn’t the age be increased? Anything the GOP does is wrong, racist, ageist, whatever-that’s all I hear from democrats these days. ZERO substance

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Plus one. It’s simple math.

In addition, reproduction rates have slowed, so fewer people to pay in to Social Security

Players have right to go for more money. I don’t blame them if it is in best interests. I blame system for this chaos. Fans have right to not contribute, not attend games or follow college athletics as much due the new environment. I know that my interest has gone down significantly in past few years. Hate the transfer portal rules and not having same players for more than a year or two. Sha has not done good job coaching this year and situation with NIL will not help next year. Slim chance our best player returns. Probably 8 or more new players yet again on limited dollars Seton Hall has compared to other schools.

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Halldan1 said:

They blew out Creighton who then beat Nova. So for now I say who else?

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Good point and Creighton gave us all we could handle.

They blew out Creighton who then beat Nova. So for now I say who else?

Hard to know what to think about Georgetown. They really don't have quality wins, except for beating that Canadian team that was formally in the big east, which probably doesn't count as one.

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Week 7


1. UConn 10-3 2-0
Marquette nipping at their heels

2. Marquette 11-2 2-0
And conversely the Pitino's are nipping at their heels

3. SJU 10-2 2-0
Almost slipped against Providence

4. Georgetown 10-2 2-0
Say what? But who else?

5. Creighton 8-5 1-1
Back on track after beating Nova

6. Nova 8-5 1-1
5 game streak over after close loss to Creighton

7. Xavier 8-5 0-2
3 tough losses in a row with injuries being a factor

8. Providence 7-6 1-1
Barely over Butler

9. Butler 7-6 0-2
5 L's in a row

10. DePaul 8-4 0-2
Now that the schedule is no longer ridiculous the real Blue Devils are rearing their ugly heads

11. Seton Hall 5-8 0-2
Watch out DePaul, SHU is lurking. LOL

ivyhillparkk1963 said:

Means nothing most of these programs have negative cash flow.
If I live in a 3 million dollar house but owe 4 million am I successful?

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If you're making your payments, probably.

dehere23 said:

I had various points in my career where I turned down a short term gain of 5 figures and even possibly low six figures because in the long run I thought it was best for my career development and financial situation down-the-road. At that point in my life, I was certainly "well off" by most standards but far, far from rich (and no, I don't come from money either).

I liked my present circumstances, and thought it was a better move for my future financial earnings and career development to stay at my current employer, betting it would position me to make more money down the line.

And it did.

Not everyone thinks this way, but I think there are folks who look at potential career earnings that come with development and being in the right situation rather than simply grabbing the most $ in front of you, especially when you account for taxes and such.

I don't come from a background where my family was struggling, so there's that.

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Your career will span decades. Most of these players have a career of 4-6 years. They are not making it up later on. Richmond and Davis are possibly fringe NBA players and even for them it would be better to take the short term money. The players will do exactly what you did; they will act in their best interest. More times than not, taking the money is in their best interest.

JTSHU said:

He had to look for diamonds in the rough because we couldnt afford better talent

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Dual and Middleton are not "diamonds in the rough". I'd argue Yalden isn't even a "diamond in the rough". I'm not sure Manny's profile, coming from Louisville, is a diamond in the rough. I don't think Felton or Godswill based on HS/prep rankings are "diamonds in the rough". I don't even think some of the other transfers were "diamonds in the rough".

Ro Gill was a diamond in the rough.

JTSHU said:

What word are u living in? When in your life did u turn down hundreds of thousands of life changing dollars to be loyal to your job?

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I had various points in my career where I turned down a short term gain of 5 figures and even possibly low six figures because in the long run I thought it was best for my career development and financial situation down-the-road. At that point in my life, I was certainly "well off" by most standards but far, far from rich (and no, I don't come from money either).

I liked my present circumstances, and thought it was a better move for my future financial earnings and career development to stay at my current employer, betting it would position me to make more money down the line.

And it did.

Not everyone thinks this way, but I think there are folks who look at potential career earnings that come with development and being in the right situation rather than simply grabbing the most $ in front of you, especially when you account for taxes and such.

I don't come from a background where my family was struggling, so there's that.

Means nothing most of these programs have negative cash flow.
If I live in a 3 million dollar house but owe 4 million am I successful?

JTSHU said:

Willard left us pretty bare. Did u see his last recruiting class. He mailed it in. If not for NIL wed still have dre and kadary. They left because of NIL, period. 1st years never count against any coach. The school needs to adjust tp the new landacape. If we cant afford most talent this is what we are left with. Did he whiff on some players, yes. Does dual deserve what hes paid, no. School needs to go back to the drawimg board. If we dont get a 3 mil NIL budget then we are finiahed. Even that may not be enough moving forward. Dont u think shaheen tried to get better options? Most of these guys were not his 1st option at each position. Get ready fpr coleman to ask for high 6 figures in a few months. Will that be shas fault when he leaves forthe $?

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LOL his last recruiting year was no different than the previous few classes. Class of 2018 was Nelson and Rhoden. Class of 2019 was Tyrese Samuel. Class of 2020 was Long and Stevens. He was winning in the transfer portal not high school players. Did he mail it in back in 2018 too? Or did he keep winning despite mailing it in.

hallstorm said:

I think Sha is caught in his own hubris this year and can’t see the forest.

I think he thought he could coach up the young kids to another level. To find “diamonds in the rough” and prove his coaching acumen.

He’s getting severely burned by not having at least one truly strong alpha player. Two is really needed at this level.

This year is done.

But I believe that this waking nightmare is teaching him a bit more than he thought about having an idea of how players actually fit into a winning team scenario.

He has to make a sniper or two his no. 1 priority next year bar none. Over spend if you need to or pay for it yourself.

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He had to look for diamonds in the rough because we couldnt afford better talent

SHUSA said:

i thought life expectancy has dropped to where it was 20 years ago

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1983 is forty years ago and life expectancy is but one factor- why shouldn’t the age be increased? Anything the GOP does is wrong, racist, ageist, whatever-that’s all I hear from democrats these days. ZERO substance

dehere23 said:

I'm not a a point where I'll say "never". I understand the "NIL" issue and disadvantages, actual or perceived (or some combination of both). I also think that there will be kids who will want to stay for reasons beyond purely $. It is the HC's job to sell those kids on why staying benefits them on various levels.

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What word are u living in? When in your life did u turn down hundreds of thousands of life changing dollars to be loyal to your job?

Hall Is Life said:

Dude look at this team. And please don’t bring up the NIT. 3 years, 0 tournaments. We’ve gone from respectable to doormats. That’s not on Sha? Let me guess— NIL!

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Willard left us pretty bare. Did u see his last recruiting class. He mailed it in. If not for NIL wed still have dre and kadary. They left because of NIL, period. 1st years never count against any coach. The school needs to adjust tp the new landacape. If we cant afford most talent this is what we are left with. Did he whiff on some players, yes. Does dual deserve what hes paid, no. School needs to go back to the drawimg board. If we dont get a 3 mil NIL budget then we are finiahed. Even that may not be enough moving forward. Dont u think shaheen tried to get better options? Most of these guys were not his 1st option at each position. Get ready fpr coleman to ask for high 6 figures in a few months. Will that be shas fault when he leaves forthe $?

LeftCoastPirates said:

How do you know that he would have had higher than average turnover? Based on what?

My counterpoint is the following:
For example, If he would target a guy like Middleton he would have to sit out one year, get the practice reps for a year in Sha’s system and then play with 3 years of eligibility remaining.

For the first two there would be no threat to leave because no player wants to sit a full year a second time.

The player at risk of leaving would be the 5th year grad eligible transfer. So maybe you do or don’t get that 3rd year.

We forget a player like Quincy McKnight, who we loved, had to sit a year, struggled at times in his first full year and became a much better BE player in his second season. Essentially his 3rd under Willard in real time.

Sha will NEVER have the window to develop a player in that manner EVER again.

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I'm not a a point where I'll say "never". I understand the "NIL" issue and disadvantages, actual or perceived (or some combination of both). I also think that there will be kids who will want to stay for reasons beyond purely $. It is the HC's job to sell those kids on why staying benefits them on various levels.