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dehere23 said:
I think it would depend who that third loss is to - Oklahoma State doesn't seem like they are any good, so I don't know what we are getting if we win that game (and it is must win now IMO) and a loss might hurt too. I suppose if it was someone that projects to be solid like VCU in Charleston it wouldn't be an issue if we win at Rutgers, but then we need to do real serious damage in the Big East.

Last year we didn't have any horrific OOC losses. We didn't have any good OOC wins, either, but we had no losses like these past 2. And look what it took for us to do in conference play to even get where we ultimately landed on the bubble.

Getting ahead of myself though, because with this group it will literally be one game at a time IMO.
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We need to beat VCU on Thursday. That at least gets us a Q2 win as idk if they're good enough to be Top-50 (Q1). Start from there on this long road back.

I'm wondering how the basketball metric will work (KenPom stuff) because we lost 2 awful games by only 1 point, but at least played excellent defense statistically. In the 4 losses last year to power teams by double-digits we did nothing well. But the resume/NET metric that weights results/opponent more will be a mess. Fordham will end up Q4 loss, Hofstra Q3 loss. Hofstra was #112 in the NET last year, I guess it's possible that could slide to Q2 if they do well in-conference.

  • Quadrant 1: Home games vs. RPI teams ranked in the top 30; neutral games vs. 1-50; away games vs. 1-75.
  • Quadrant 2: Home vs. 31-75 teams; neutral vs. 51-100; away vs. 76-135.
  • Quadrant 3: Home vs. 76-160 teams; neutral vs. 101-200; away vs. 136-240.
  • Quadrant 4: Home vs. 161-plus teams; neutral vs. 201-plus; away vs. 241-plus.
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Not even a game thread…

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dehere23 said:
I think it would depend who that third loss is to - Oklahoma State doesn't seem like they are any good, so I don't know what we are getting if we win that game (and it is must win now IMO) and a loss might hurt too. I suppose if it was someone that projects to be solid like VCU in Charleston it wouldn't be an issue if we win at Rutgers, but then we need to do real serious damage in the Big East.

Last year we didn't have any horrific OOC losses. We didn't have any good OOC wins, either, but we had no losses like these past 2. And look what it took for us to do in conference play to even get where we ultimately landed on the bubble.

Getting ahead of myself though, because with this group it will literally be one game at a time IMO.
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The good news is our metrics should be… wait, forget it
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VCU will be quite tough

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I hope I’m wrong but this matchup looks bad for us. They’re very good. 9th in defensive efficiency and 11th in defensive turnover rate. Granted they’ve only played a SOS of #316, but they’ve won every game by 20+ and defense is defense. Our SOS isn’t much better at #273 and we’re 10th in DE.

They also move the ball well and take a lot of 3’s. Have much better continuity.

⬆️ All things that usually kill us. But a neutral win over them would be a good one and begin the climb back for The Hall.
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HallGuy23 said:
It’s embarrassing that Coleman isn’t putting up AT LEAST 15 against these scrub teams.
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You can't score if you don't shoot and we play at a glacial pace. We're averaging under 54 ppg.

Coleman is averaging seven shots per game and only Jenkins, Aligbe and Addae-Wusu have taken more shots total. So it's not like he's not shooting the ball. You're basically asking him to make every shot he takes to get to 15 ppg. Unrealistic, no?

As a team we've averaged 48.7 shots per game in the three games he's played. Overall it's 47.5 in four games.
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Hall Is Life said:
May not have a choice. With the question marks surrounding Dual and Harmon, other than Jenkins, nobody can handle the position. How long is Sha gonna make believe that Wusu can play the point? We have no idea how Felton looks in practice but I too would like to see him get some more burn. Unfortunately the cupcake games haven’t gone as planned so his minutes have been severely limited.
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#! Sha is likely to stay very long with DAW.
#2 Felton is more of a 2 than a 1 as I recall.

Dual has a shoulder issue, per previous comments. Harmon is another story; no reason has been given for his lack of playing time.
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MooneyHall07 said:
I think you are correct. From the SHU Record Book:

FEWEST POINTS ALLOWED

1. 12 vs. Saint Peter’s, 1/21/42
2. 15 vs. Maryland, 12/30/41
3. 16 vs. Cathedral, 11/27/15
4. 18 vs. Rutgers, 1/9/43
5. 19 vs. West Chester State, 12/2/40
6. 20 vs. Rider, 2/17/47
7. 22 vs. St. Francis (PA), 2/5/41
9. 22 vs. Loyola (MD), 2/2/40
9. 23 vs. Scranton, 1/23/42
10. 26 vs. Rider, 1/6/41, 26 vs. Illinois Wesleyan, 1/4/41
11. 3 games tied at 27
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Going back to the knee pad days!
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Piratz said:
I can see the upside from Okorafor. He’s very athletic and moves well for his size; recovers really well on defense, key for the type of switching and ball pressure Sha likes. With him, Erheriene, and Yalden that spot may be OK, we’ll see if can be league average combined.

And it definitely frees up Toumi to give us offense.

Funny, I’m now more concerned about PG than center. There’s no PG play on this team and here I was thinking we’d be better there with Dual and Harmon, neither of whom played today. 🤷‍♂️
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Agree 3 headed center works and frees up Tourmi to play PF while PG looks like Wasu which is far from ideal but all we have at present.
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LBP43 said:
I would like to see Felton a bit --admit I am leaning desperate
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May not have a choice. With the question marks surrounding Dual and Harmon, other than Jenkins, nobody can handle the position. How long is Sha gonna make believe that Wusu can play the point? We have no idea how Felton looks in practice but I too would like to see him get some more burn. Unfortunately the cupcake games haven’t gone as planned so his minutes have been severely limited.
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CaptBob said:
The acid test against VCU. They have height up front, good guard play & they put up a load of points. They are a balanced scoring team with 3 or 4 players who can hurt you. We have another 50 point game & we have another loss. Sha cannot screw around with them--not a MAAC team. (Have a relative that lives a few blocks from their campus) If we can somehow find 65-75 points we win--where those points come from???????????
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Points are largely a function of tempo. Merrimack held VCU to 63 (and scored 42 themselves).

My guess is they tried to put VCU through the grinder just as we will.

If we score more than 70 in a game this year, I'd bet we'd lose -- maybe by double digits -- because we weren't able to play our style.
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