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hallgrad80 · Nov 17, 2024

Played 17 minutes had 14 points on 3 - 7 shooting and was 6 - 6 from the free throw line and tied for the team lead with 6 rebounds for Mamu

hallstorm · Nov 17, 2024

With the climate of college basketball at such a ridiculous stage of free agency, the selection committee has to change its criteria for the tournament. It has to weigh games later in the season heavier as opposed to these early November games.

Teams are completely different now vs. where they will be in March.

NYShoreGuy · Nov 17, 2024

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Yes let us remove fluoride from water as I suck down a coke, and some fast food...look how jolly jr looks with the mickey Ds

Piratz · Nov 17, 2024

dehere23 said:
I think it would depend who that third loss is to - Oklahoma State doesn't seem like they are any good, so I don't know what we are getting if we win that game (and it is must win now IMO) and a loss might hurt too. I suppose if it was someone that projects to be solid like VCU in Charleston it wouldn't be an issue if we win at Rutgers, but then we need to do real serious damage in the Big East.

Last year we didn't have any horrific OOC losses. We didn't have any good OOC wins, either, but we had no losses like these past 2. And look what it took for us to do in conference play to even get where we ultimately landed on the bubble.

Getting ahead of myself though, because with this group it will literally be one game at a time IMO.

We need to beat VCU on Thursday. That at least gets us a Q2 win as idk if they're good enough to be Top-50 (Q1). Start from there on this long road back.

I'm wondering how the basketball metric will work (KenPom stuff) because we lost 2 awful games by only 1 point, but at least played excellent defense statistically. In the 4 losses last year to power teams by double-digits we did nothing well. But the resume/NET metric that weights results/opponent more will be a mess. Fordham will end up Q4 loss, Hofstra Q3 loss. Hofstra was #112 in the NET last year, I guess it's possible that could slide to Q2 if they do well in-conference.

Quadrant 1: Home games vs. RPI teams ranked in the top 30; neutral games vs. 1-50; away games vs. 1-75.
Quadrant 2: Home vs. 31-75 teams; neutral vs. 51-100; away vs. 76-135.
Quadrant 3: Home vs. 76-160 teams; neutral vs. 101-200; away vs. 136-240.
Quadrant 4: Home vs. 161-plus teams; neutral vs. 201-plus; away vs. 241-plus.

Piratz · Nov 17, 2024

Well, we have long history of working guards into PGs going back to when Holloway was here with Willard so here we are again. Sigh. Here's hoping he can work some magic with Addae-Wusu and Jenkins.

sami · Nov 17, 2024

dehere23 said:
I think it would depend who that third loss is to - Oklahoma State doesn't seem like they are any good, so I don't know what we are getting if we win that game (and it is must win now IMO) and a loss might hurt too. I suppose if it was someone that projects to be solid like VCU in Charleston it wouldn't be an issue if we win at Rutgers, but then we need to do real serious damage in the Big East.

Last year we didn't have any horrific OOC losses. We didn't have any good OOC wins, either, but we had no losses like these past 2. And look what it took for us to do in conference play to even get where we ultimately landed on the bubble.

Getting ahead of myself though, because with this group it will literally be one game at a time IMO.

The good news is our metrics should be… wait, forget it

Piratz · Nov 17, 2024

I hope I’m wrong but this matchup looks bad for us. They’re very good. 9th in defensive efficiency and 11th in defensive turnover rate. Granted they’ve only played a SOS of #316, but they’ve won every game by 20+ and defense is defense. Our SOS isn’t much better at #273 and we’re 10th in DE.

They also move the ball well and take a lot of 3’s. Have much better continuity.

⬆️ All things that usually kill us. But a neutral win over them would be a good one and begin the climb back for The Hall.

hallwins · Nov 17, 2024

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NYShoreGuy · Nov 17, 2024

3 of their kids just put up over 20 in their last win. 2 strong, explosive older guards. They have a big 6 foot 10 inch who was a freshman in 2018.

It would be a strong effort by shu upcoming if they make the champ or 3rd place game. I feel 5th place game is the reality.

SHallguy2 · Nov 17, 2024

HallLine69 said:
#! Sha is likely to stay very long with DAW.
#2 Felton is more of a 2 than a 1 as I recall.

Dual has a shoulder issue, per previous comments. Harmon is another story; no reason has been given for his lack of playing time.

Only guessing but maybe Harmon is falling behind in his classes. We forget they actually take classes.

TheHall87 · Nov 17, 2024

HallGuy23 said:
It’s embarrassing that Coleman isn’t putting up AT LEAST 15 against these scrub teams.

You can't score if you don't shoot and we play at a glacial pace. We're averaging under 54 ppg.

Coleman is averaging seven shots per game and only Jenkins, Aligbe and Addae-Wusu have taken more shots total. So it's not like he's not shooting the ball. You're basically asking him to make every shot he takes to get to 15 ppg. Unrealistic, no?

As a team we've averaged 48.7 shots per game in the three games he's played. Overall it's 47.5 in four games.

HallGuy23 · Nov 16, 2024

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HallGuy23 · Nov 16, 2024

JTSHU said:
A kid blows up and hes gone. Coleman somehow averages 12ppg hes testing the waters

It’s embarrassing that Coleman isn’t putting up AT LEAST 15 against these scrub teams.

MichiganStoleTitle · Nov 16, 2024

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NYC Pirate · Nov 16, 2024

ShuBall said:
I don think either Dual or Harmon suited up today

Since they don't have "General Soreness" maybe they have the lower ranked "Major Soreness"??

Gohall129 · Nov 16, 2024

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Gohall129 · Nov 16, 2024

DIMEDISHA13 said:
Sad fan base. 2 bad losses after a surprising run last year!

Kind of glad there isn’t one since there was enough whining on this board over the last 2 games.

The only surprise was that a team that started 5 seniors didn’t make the NCAA tournament.

A surprise run is not 5 seniors winning the NIT when half the field elected not to partake

HallLine69 · Nov 16, 2024

Hall Is Life said:
May not have a choice. With the question marks surrounding Dual and Harmon, other than Jenkins, nobody can handle the position. How long is Sha gonna make believe that Wusu can play the point? We have no idea how Felton looks in practice but I too would like to see him get some more burn. Unfortunately the cupcake games haven’t gone as planned so his minutes have been severely limited.

#! Sha is likely to stay very long with DAW.
#2 Felton is more of a 2 than a 1 as I recall.

Dual has a shoulder issue, per previous comments. Harmon is another story; no reason has been given for his lack of playing time.

Gohall129 · Nov 16, 2024

NYC Pirate said:
So, I think the NIT could be possible. Yes, one game at a time. How will we beat a team with length that pushes our offense out to the perimeter? The defense has been relatively solid except for a few plays in the late stages of the two losses. We will still root, but we have to be realistic too.

That would require a minimum of 8 big east wins. No shot

jack 1970 · Nov 16, 2024

King of S said:
Here we go again with this nonsense of not disclosing any information.

They are out indefinitely until they announce what school they are transferring to!

jack 1970 · Nov 16, 2024

MooneyHall07 said:
I think you are correct. From the SHU Record Book:

FEWEST POINTS ALLOWED

1. 12 vs. Saint Peter’s, 1/21/42
2. 15 vs. Maryland, 12/30/41
3. 16 vs. Cathedral, 11/27/15
4. 18 vs. Rutgers, 1/9/43
5. 19 vs. West Chester State, 12/2/40
6. 20 vs. Rider, 2/17/47
7. 22 vs. St. Francis (PA), 2/5/41
9. 22 vs. Loyola (MD), 2/2/40
9. 23 vs. Scranton, 1/23/42
10. 26 vs. Rider, 1/6/41, 26 vs. Illinois Wesleyan, 1/4/41
11. 3 games tied at 27

Going back to the knee pad days!

jack 1970 · Nov 16, 2024

Piratz said:
I can see the upside from Okorafor. He’s very athletic and moves well for his size; recovers really well on defense, key for the type of switching and ball pressure Sha likes. With him, Erheriene, and Yalden that spot may be OK, we’ll see if can be league average combined.

And it definitely frees up Toumi to give us offense.

Funny, I’m now more concerned about PG than center. There’s no PG play on this team and here I was thinking we’d be better there with Dual and Harmon, neither of whom played today. 🤷‍♂️

Agree 3 headed center works and frees up Tourmi to play PF while PG looks like Wasu which is far from ideal but all we have at present.

Hall Is Life · Nov 16, 2024

LBP43 said:
I would like to see Felton a bit --admit I am leaning desperate

May not have a choice. With the question marks surrounding Dual and Harmon, other than Jenkins, nobody can handle the position. How long is Sha gonna make believe that Wusu can play the point? We have no idea how Felton looks in practice but I too would like to see him get some more burn. Unfortunately the cupcake games haven’t gone as planned so his minutes have been severely limited.

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