SOpirate said:

I think 8-3 with a win @ Rutgers would be enough to keep post season hope alive. Good news is there should be plenty of opportunities for quality wins in conference play.

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I think it would depend who that third loss is to - Oklahoma State doesn't seem like they are any good, so I don't know what we are getting if we win that game (and it is must win now IMO) and a loss might hurt too. I suppose if it was someone that projects to be solid like VCU in Charleston it wouldn't be an issue if we win at Rutgers, but then we need to do real serious damage in the Big East.

Last year we didn't have any horrific OOC losses. We didn't have any good OOC wins, either, but we had no losses like these past 2. And look what it took for us to do in conference play to even get where we ultimately landed on the bubble.

Getting ahead of myself though, because with this group it will literally be one game at a time IMO.

PJVegas said:

Good D or just playing offensively challenged teams?

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Today was outstanding D very active rotation and filling in the gaps. Quick hands and length. Every shot was challenged. Yes it will probably be a different story with better teams but let's give the D props today..

dehere23 said:

Nice to bounce back with a double digit win over an opponent that we should do that too. Vegas isn’t stupid and there is a reason we were 15+ point favorites. The team and staff needed this after the last two debacles.

As far as the remainder of the OOC, we need to run the table IMO to have any chance of having a semblance of a season. Unless we are going to surprise in the conference even more than last year.

Today was the first step in hopefully righting the ship.

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I think 8-3 with a win @ Rutgers would be enough to keep post season hope alive. Good news is there should be plenty of opportunities for quality wins in conference play.

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TheHall87 said:

He doesn't have to take these games over. The competition ramps up on Sunday and Kadary will be challenged. I'd bet he looks more for his then.

It shouldn't escape notice that he made a big defensive play that sparked SJU's game-changing 18-0 run against Wagner. Another instance that, as often happened here, he makes plays that don't necessarily show up in a box score.

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You are right, but honestly there is little point trying to be objective on this topic with some. Which I get. This topic is like the recent election on steroids. I said before the season it is going to rival some of the past Rutgers stuff, Posh-stuff, Hurley at Uconn pre-title, etc, for the level of delusion.

PJVegas said:

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Probably something of a combination. We've clearly forced teams to play our tempo.

We're allowing 46.75 ppg over four games (53, 57, 49, 28).

Our opponents against their non-SHU opponents.

Fordham 71.3 in three games

Hofstra 89.5 in two games (one against a non D-I team) 90 against their lone D-I opp.

St. Peter's 69.5 in two games prior to Saturday afternoon.

Wagner 63.6 in three games (one against a non D-I team) 48.5 in their two other D-I games.

IronKaz1 said:

Whats up with DUAL

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I believe he was in sweatpants, not in uniform.

I don think either Dual or Harmon suited up today

JTSHU said:

Do we wana see more of dual?

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If this team is to reach anything close to its ceiling, he probably has to be an important part of it.

We essentially played without a PG today.

Piratz said:

Not a coincidence he comes off the bench the last game and then this story comes out. Pitino is living the KR Experience. He beats to his own drum. It's not that he's a malcontent, he's simply in his own world.

They want him to be the 15-7-5 player he was at The Hall to open things up for everyone. Their ceiling is much lower if he's a 7-6-6 guy.

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He doesn't have to take these games over. The competition ramps up on Sunday and Kadary will be challenged. I'd bet he looks more for his then.

It shouldn't escape notice that he made a big defensive play that sparked SJU's game-changing 18-0 run against Wagner. Another instance that, as often happened here, he makes plays that don't necessarily show up in a box score.

JTSHU said:

Do we wana see more of dual?

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Yes, we do. There is a reason so many of us were excited about him.

I wasn't that excited about Harmon, to be honest, but then Dan got me excited lol.

DIMEDISHA13 said:

Glad for the win but offense needs to catch up. Too many last second shots at the end of the clock; a lot of standing around and no entry passes to the paint or drive and kicks.

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Why is Addae-Wusu playing the point, even when Jenkins is on the floor? Not his fault be he has no idea how to run an offense. Shaheen said we are down 2 point guards - who are they and will they rescue Addae? Can’t score 60 points or shoot free throws, so defense is not going to do it with better competition. That said, defense was very good and Toumi should start. 2nd most talented guy on the team.

First off, he doesnt have to score in these games. Theres enough options on st johns.
Secondly kadary would go missing.for us so its nothing new. He can fill a stat sheet though. If he got a million he better drop a min 12 ppg

Do we wana see more of dual?

ivyhillparkk1963 said:

That's got to be big east era

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I think you are correct. From the SHU Record Book:

FEWEST POINTS ALLOWED

1. 12 vs. Saint Peter’s, 1/21/42
2. 15 vs. Maryland, 12/30/41
3. 16 vs. Cathedral, 11/27/15
4. 18 vs. Rutgers, 1/9/43
5. 19 vs. West Chester State, 12/2/40
6. 20 vs. Rider, 2/17/47
7. 22 vs. St. Francis (PA), 2/5/41
9. 22 vs. Loyola (MD), 2/2/40
9. 23 vs. Scranton, 1/23/42
10. 26 vs. Rider, 1/6/41, 26 vs. Illinois Wesleyan, 1/4/41
11. 3 games tied at 27

The Crows Nest said:

I think we’ve found a team more offensively challenged then us.

The name is Wagner.

They were brutal

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Hall D had everything to do with that . Let's give them credit

Point guard play is concerning, but the defense was really good. The rotations are about as fast as I’ve ever seen and they really move their feet to get into position. The call against Wusu was a bang-bang play.

And as weird as it sounds—the defensive rotations seemed to have sparked better offensive spacing and getting to places on the floor that create shots.

Whats up with DUAL

IRON tried to get Kurtz's contact information to share with him my SHU story of my single strapped for cash mother who still made the sacrifice and let me go to SHU cause I wanted to and just shoot the sh-t with him, but I was told no

The Crows Nest said:

I think we’ve found a team more offensively challenged then us.

The name is Wagner.

They were brutal

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Wagner scored more pts vs RU and SJU so

Piratz said:

I can see the upside from Okorafor. He’s very athletic and moves well for his size; recovers really well on defense, key for the type of switching and ball pressure Sha likes. With him, Erheriene, and Yalden that spot may be OK, we’ll see if can be league average combined.

And it definitely frees up Toumi to give us offense.

Funny, I’m now more concerned about PG than center. There’s no PG play on this team and here I was thinking we’d be better there with Dual and Harmon, neither of whom played today. 🤷‍♂️

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In a blowout why wouldn’t Dual or Harmon see court time. Hopefully Jerry C. ask Coach Sha that question.

28 pts is very very good D, still cant store though, but a good sign, now will anybody here answer WHERE is Dual and Harmon?

SOpirate said:

The offense is still ugly frankly for lack of a better term. On the other end holding any D-1 opponent under 30 points is extremely impressive. Have to give this group credit for regrouping after two brutal losses.

Need to win at least two down in Charleston if there’s any legitimate chance of salvaging this season.

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Nice to bounce back with a double digit win over an opponent that we should do that too. Vegas isn’t stupid and there is a reason we were 15+ point favorites. The team and staff needed this after the last two debacles.

As far as the remainder of the OOC, we need to run the table IMO to have any chance of having a semblance of a season. Unless we are going to surprise in the conference even more than last year.

Today was the first step in hopefully righting the ship.

MooneyHall07 said:

Per Fox sports broadcast 28 points allowed is a SHU program record.

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I think we’ve found a team more offensively challenged then us.

The name is Wagner.

They were brutal