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Enough is Enough: The Leadership Failures at Seton Hall

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Hall91 said:
Can’t argue with HallX2 noting that a big part of our problem is an apathetic alumni base. But this is nothing new; it’s been this way ever since i remember being a student and then young alumni at SHU in the late 80s into the 90s. Unfortunately the school has done a poor job cultivating alumni engagement over the years, and then what’s become really obvious is a terrible job with fund raising with the high net worth alum. But you really can’t do the latter when you’ve done a historically poor job with alumni engagement and keeping a large commuter population feeling like they had a positive experience.

I’m sure the school has studied what Villanova does so well to have the level of engagement and alumni fund raising that they get. More importantly, they should be hiring more people from Villanova to help out situation here.
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Look at Onward Setonia's membership levels and then go look at Providence or Nova's NIL sites.

Onward Setonia's top level membership $89 month with limited benefits
Providence, Nova, and almost every other school's top level membership $1000 month with some attractive benefits depending on the school. $500 a month at Maryland you can attend a practice with a guest.

Its like SHU is on the corner begging for change and everyone is else is trying to cultivate new donors. I am not saying this is suddenly going to get hundreds of new donors giving $10K per year, but it seems like the admin is accepting their fate and they can only go to the same group of known donors.
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Marquette @ St. Johns tonight

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This should be a big game.

I hope it’s takes on a mini “event” theme today on local radio/tv etc

I think the BE needs a good game with legit teams in a rocking MSG…it’s something that differentiates the league

I have been upset recently when you watch B1G or SEC matchups..on tv the arenas and atmosphere is top notch than when you watch a BE game (some not all) it’s embarrassing

DePaul/SHU looked like a modified game.. gtown games have looked terrible, our games etc

This will be good for the league
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I still think revenue sharing can help (a little) I just haven’t seen anything released from the school about the idea

Of course our revenue is probably small BUT we offer so few sports compared to most if not all peer schools we should be able to supplement $$ towards or NIL and help the cause

I’ve been killed as a KW fanboy (even though I posted he should be fired after Marquette) and a sha hater..but I think legitimate criticism of Sha during NIL is he has a track record of being way way off on nil market values and talent evaluation.

There were several of us to point out when he scoffed at Tyreses number that it was actually very bargain based..there are a few of these examples out there
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Eads Named BIG EAST Freshman of the Week; Masonius Honor Roll

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Harty9 said:
If you're looking to pay someone to stay for next season, Jada Eads would be our best representative for NIL.
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It's important to support Tony's team. He is trying to get enough money to ensure she stays. She's only a freshman and many schools will be targeting her. Guessing her value will be in the $10-15,000 range. I have helped Tony. Hope you guys do. Send in your donations and mark them for the women's team.
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its haLL baLL said:
I don't see the NIL situation changing much regardless of who is the coach. I think success would bring in more fair-weather fans and $50-$100 donations, but I'm not sure there would ever be enough of them to really boost the budget into a competitive range.

I'm more concerned that this disaster of a season is going to make our bigger donors reassess how much they're contributing. I couldn't imagine giving tens of thousands of dollars, if not more, to the NIL and this being my return on investment. I certainly don't think I would be inclined to double down and give even more for next season.

If that's the case and the NIL budget shrinks I don't know how we get out of this hole with Sha's current philosophy. The program needs to reinvent itself and take on some sort of identity. I don't know what the best approach would be, but that's the only way I see the team being successful.

Run and gun and shoot 30+ 3's a game, play 40 minutes of full court pressure defense, or play a 1-3-1 zone like Beilein did back in the day. It's going to have to be something like that, IMO.
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I can think of 2.5 million ways Sha can save his job.
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I don't see the NIL situation changing much regardless of who is the coach. I think success would bring in more fair-weather fans and $50-$100 donations, but I'm not sure there would ever be enough of them to really boost the budget into a competitive range.

I'm more concerned that this disaster of a season is going to make our bigger donors reassess how much they're contributing. I couldn't imagine giving tens of thousands of dollars, if not more, to the NIL and this being my return on investment. I certainly don't think I would be inclined to double down and give even more for next season.

If that's the case and the NIL budget shrinks I don't know how we get out of this hole with Sha's current philosophy. The program needs to reinvent itself and take on some sort of identity. I don't know what the best approach would be, but that's the only way I see the team being successful.

Run and gun and shoot 30+ 3's a game, play 40 minutes of full court pressure defense, or play a 1-3-1 zone like Beilein did back in the day. It's going to have to be something like that, IMO.
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Enough is Enough: The Leadership Failures at Seton Hall

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Can’t argue with HallX2 noting that a big part of our problem is an apathetic alumni base. But this is nothing new; it’s been this way ever since i remember being a student and then young alumni at SHU in the late 80s into the 90s. Unfortunately the school has done a poor job cultivating alumni engagement over the years, and then what’s become really obvious is a terrible job with fund raising with the high net worth alum. But you really can’t do the latter when you’ve done a historically poor job with alumni engagement and keeping a large commuter population feeling like they had a positive experience.

I’m sure the school has studied what Villanova does so well to have the level of engagement and alumni fund raising that they get. More importantly, they should be hiring more people from Villanova to help out situation here.
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Enough is Enough: The Leadership Failures at Seton Hall

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shu67 said:
All of these gripes are pure nonsense and anger over the reality that SHU will perhaps never be able to compete at the same level as just about every other BE school because the NIL money may never be there. There is NO sugar daddy waiting in the wings to donate the millions needed.

So we blame everyone we can from the coach and his staff, the administration etc..

Look in the mirror and face the ugly truth. No matter who is replaced from the coach to the school president the NIL money will never be there in the numbers needed.

The landscape has changed for the worse and we are not going to fix it by changing people.
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Wrong. If the university had even the slightest clue about fundraising, how to do it and how to do it properly we would not be in the situation we are currently in.

When is the last time we had a capital campaign? We’ve been in a perpetual “quiet phase” since the failed campaign under Sheeran. Not exactly a recipe for success. You cannot keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results.
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Enough is Enough: The Leadership Failures at Seton Hall

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All of these gripes are pure nonsense and anger over the reality that SHU will perhaps never be able to compete at the same level as just about every other BE school because the NIL money may never be there. There is NO sugar daddy waiting in the wings to donate the millions needed.

So we blame everyone we can from the coach and his staff, the administration etc..

Look in the mirror and face the ugly truth. No matter who is replaced from the coach to the school president the NIL money will never be there in the numbers needed.

The landscape has changed for the worse and we are not going to fix it by changing people.
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nutterforthree said:
It did- our NIL is around 2 million this year- I don't think it was that last year. The reason we are so terrible is poor coaching decisions and very poor talent recruitment. Shaheen obviously thought these players were much better than they are.

It seems pretty logical that a good year would generate more money, and a bad year would generate less. Again, for the average donor no one is giving to this team a dime when they are so bad; its just the reality of the situation.
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No the NIL for SHU’s team this year is around $1.5-1.7mm (it’s been printed many, many times on here); not nearly enough to truly compete with.

If you think it’s all about coaching and just want blood, I have to tell you that it would be minimally better with a different coach. It is what it is with what you can buy.

Is some of this season on Sha? Of course it is. He shifted away from dependence on 3 players and thought a more balanced approach would work. It’s been a disaster.

But his performance in his first two seasons has earned him a longer leash.

What new coach will come in and get donors excited to give money??

Seton Hall has never had a power conference established winning coach jump ship to coach here. Isn’t gonna happen.
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Enough is Enough: The Leadership Failures at Seton Hall

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hallgrad80 said:
If you agree with the premise that for many universities the principal asset its president needs is the ability to raise monies ,,especially in the NIL / Play for Pay era we are in then you must find one with a strong business sense and a flair for raising money something that doesn’t stand out with our newly appointed president.
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We need to do away with this Priest nonsense. it is akin to a DEI hire. You hire the best president for the job not one who MUST be a priest. This is super antiquated thinking. Think small at Seton Hall!
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