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A case to dump electoral college

Looking forward to ShoreGuy's predictable next post: Expanding the Supreme Court to 12 Justices. It will be a must-read, I'm sure.

If republicans push through a nomination before the election and Biden wins, I think they should expand to 13. Democrats nominate 3 to even the balance and let the 12 pick the last justice.

At some point we should recognize a flaw in the design. If a justice is confirmed this will mean in the last 20 years, 70% of justices were appointed by a president who won the popular vote 20% of the time.

Is that really operating as intended?
 
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There is no reason for that other than sour grapes, petty, short sighted politics.

Republicans made up their own rules in 2016 and now want to change them in 2020.

It’s not petty. Why should democrats be expected to play by a different set of rules?
 
Republicans made up their own rules in 2016 and now want to change them in 2020.

It’s not petty. Why should democrats be expected to play by a different set of rules?

Those "rules" are not binding or enshrined in law. It's politics, that's all.
 
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Republicans made up their own rules in 2016 and now want to change them in 2020.

It’s not petty. Why should democrats be expected to play by a different set of rules?
Their own rules??? Democrats didn’t have the senate! What’s so hard to understand?
 
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Republicans made up their own rules in 2016 and now want to change them in 2020.

It’s not petty. Why should democrats be expected to play by a different set of rules?
I am not in agreement with packing the Court. The Republican are hypocrites and their word means absolutely nothing. However, if the Dems start the movement to pack the court then the Dems are no better than the Republicans. One party has to stand faithful to what this country means even if it means that Republicans win this battle. Let the Dems be the party that stands for principles and for the institutions of this country. Otherwise, we just devolve into a never ending series of politics and the country will quickly will become worse and worse.

Here is what I say. Let this be a lesson to all Americans that the Republicans cannot be trusted especially with Trump at the head of the party. Go out and vote. Get Trump, McConnel and Lyndsay Graham out of office. That is the only way top preserve this institutions of the United States. Do not get sucked down the rabbit hole of that these parties are all about power and influence.
 
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I am not in agreement with packing the Court. The Republican are hypocrites and their word means absolutely nothing. However, if the Dems start the movement to pack the court then the Dems are no better than the Republicans. One party has to stand faithful to what this country means even if it means that Republicans win this battle. Let the Dems be the party that stands for principles and for the institutions of this country. Otherwise, we just devolve into a never ending series of politics and the country will quickly will become worse and worse.

Here is what I say. Let this be a lesson to all Americans that the Republicans cannot be trusted especially with Trump at the head of the party. Go out and vote. Get Trump, McConnel and Lyndsay Graham out of office. That is the only way top preserve this institutions of the United States. Do not get sucked down the rabbit hole of that these parties are all about power and influence.

While we're at it, let's get McCarthy, Scalise, Grassley, Schumer, Pelosi, AOC, Booker, Waters, Schiff etc. out of there too.
 
No defense against one party rule if Dems adopt open borders and provide all immigrants
welfare benefits which they obviously plan to do.The road to socialism and we can be as poor
as other socialist countries.Got to keep electoral college to have any hope of keeping America
as we have known it.
This is absolutely not going to happen whether Trump wins or Biden wins.
 
same as the size of the court.
its comical that Dems may lose a seat on bench fair and square and their response is add more seats that we’ll fill with lefties. not surprised as it’s consistent with illegal immigration for more votes. You know, since we couldn’t beat creighton last year we should have ran them 6 v 5. babies.
 
its comical that Dems may lose a seat on bench fair and square and their response is add more seats that we’ll fill with lefties. not surprised as it’s consistent with illegal immigration for more votes. You know, since we couldn’t beat creighton last year we should have ran them 6 v 5. babies.
Don’t like the result, change the rules. Rather than look in the mirror and do a little self reflection.
 
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its comical that Dems may lose a seat on bench fair and square and their response is add more seats that we’ll fill with lefties. not surprised as it’s consistent with illegal immigration for more votes. You know, since we couldn’t beat creighton last year we should have ran them 6 v 5. babies.

“Fair and square”

No one here actually believes that republicans blocking consideration of any nominee in 2016 was fair and square.

Its more like if Creighton put 6 people on the floor and we kept saying “but we’re Seton Hall, we play by the rules”
 
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If republicans push through a nomination before the election and Biden wins, I think they should expand to 13. Democrats nominate 3 to even the balance and let the 12 pick the last justice.

At some point we should recognize a flaw in the design. If a justice is confirmed this will mean in the last 20 years, 70% of justices were appointed by a president who won the popular vote 20% of the time.

Is that really operating as intended?


Its not a fault its a feature of the Republic. The founders were smart enough to know that just because something is popular it does not make it right.
 
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“Fair and square”

No one here actually believes that republicans blocking consideration of any nominee in 2016 was fair and square.

Its more like if Creighton put 6 people on the floor and we kept saying “but we’re Seton Hall, we play by the rules”
that last game vs them it did seem like they had 6 guys on the floor
 
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“Fair and square”

No one here actually believes that republicans blocking consideration of any nominee in 2016 was fair and square.

Its more like if Creighton put 6 people on the floor and we kept saying “but we’re Seton Hall, we play by the rules”
it is exactly that lol. Dems (including me!!!!) didn’t have the senate. President nominates (you get that obviously) and SENATE confirms (you obviously don’t get that). Or you don’t realize that senate was R in 16ish ? Would like to know what you knew
 
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it is exactly that lol. Dems (including me!!!!) didn’t have the senate. President nominates (you get that obviously) and SENATE confirms (you obviously don’t get that). Or you don’t realize that senate was R in 16ish ? Would like to know what you knew

But in 2016 the repubs Senate didn’t do anything to consider the nomination. If they considered and rejected, that would have been OK.
 
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it is exactly that lol. Dems (including me!!!!) didn’t have the senate. President nominates (you get that obviously) and SENATE confirms (you obviously don’t get that). Or you don’t realize that senate was R in 16ish ? Would like to know what you knew

... I’mfully aware of the process.
The job of the senate is to advise and consent. Not advise and consent only if the president is of the same party.

Bush Sr appointee 2 justices with a democratic senate.
No one should accept party division as an excuse why the senate shouldn’t do its job.

Don’t excuse what happened in 2016. Obama nominated Garland because democrats didn’t have the senate and Garland was not a controversial pick and someone who had/would have republican support. Garland should have received consideration and the senate would have confirmed him if we had followed political norms and precedent.
 
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it is exactly that lol. Dems (including me!!!!) didn’t have the senate. President nominates (you get that obviously) and SENATE confirms (you obviously don’t get that). Or you don’t realize that senate was R in 16ish ? Would like to know what you knew

The senate provides advice and consent. That doesn't mean that a Democratic president only appoints justices when their party controls the senate or a Republican president only appoints justices when their party controls it. When a vacancy on the court arises, the president has a duty to nominate someone to fill it. Both Obama and Trump have fulfilled that duty. The senate failed miserably in its duty in 2016. Hopefully it won't yet again.

There used to be this thing called compromise. Now it's a dirty word in DC apparently.
 
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The senate provides advice and consent. That doesn't mean that a Democratic president only appoints justices when their party controls the senate or a Republican president only appoints justices when their party controls it. When a vacancy on the court arises, the president has a duty to nominate someone to fill it. Both Obama and Trump have fulfilled that duty. The senate failed miserably in its duty in 2016. Hopefully it won't yet again.

There used to be this thing called compromise. Now it's a dirty word in DC apparently.
I agree with this. But tough politics have played a part in this stuff for a while and that’s what happened in 16, it’s what will happen now and it will happen in the future. Bork, Garland, Kavanaugh and to quote Bill Maher the “(f word) catholic” Barret
 
But in 2016 the repubs Senate didn’t do anything to consider the nomination. If they considered and rejected, that would have been OK.
Agree with this. It also shows in Obama's second term he was not a strong President at all and miscalculated badly on Garland and his ability to get a vote. There should have been a vote IMO. Politics were just as divided then as they are now. It is a sad state of affairs really and it is not getting any better and we are not doing a good job of holding our elected officials responsible.

I understand if people do not like Coney-Barrett because she is a textualist. The attacks on her Catholicism though are unwarranted but will continue from the left that loves to espouse respecting differences. And Bill Maher is a douche of major proportions - just sayin...
 
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I understand if people do not like Coney-Barrett because she is a textualist. The attacks on her Catholicism though are unwarranted but will continue from the left that loves to espouse respecting differences. And Bill Maher is a douche of major proportions - just sayin...

I think the attack in her religion is a loser argument. What I find more troubling is that she has only practiced law for 3 years then became a professor. She has only been a judge on the Appeals Court for 3 years. All her experience is in academia with little real world experience.

That type of resume results in rigidity because they never practiced and dealt with the real world. She may be the most inexperienced Supreme Court Justice I am not particularly impressed with people who have no practice experience. Quite frankly, if you haven’t had sufficient practice experience in the real world, you really should not even be a judge nevertheless a Supreme Court Justice.
 
I agree that bench experience should matter, however I believe William Rehnquist and Whizzer White had zero experience as a judge.
 
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I agree that bench experience should matter, however I believe William Rehnquist and Whizzer White had zero experience as a judge.
I think it is preferable that a SC justice have bench experience. However, it isn’t necessary as long as they have an abundance of practice experience. Practicing law is very different than being in academia.
 
I understand if people do not like Coney-Barrett because she is a textualist. The attacks on her Catholicism though are unwarranted but will continue from the left that loves to espouse respecting differences. And Bill Maher is a douche of major proportions - just sayin...

Hnag on to your hat. They are going to be ripping Catholics left and right over the next 4 weeks. Yet in 5 weeks they are going to be asking the American people to vote for a Catholic. Idiot Liberals at their finest. Grouping people only when they want to.

I hope Trump asks Joe in the first debate, how has he been able to avoid being ripped for being Catholic while Amy is getting ripped by all of them.
 
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Hnag on to your hat. They are going to be ripping Catholics left and right over the next 4 weeks. Yet in 5 weeks they are going to be asking the American people to vote for a Catholic. Idiot Liberals at their finest. Grouping people only when they want to.

I hope Trump asks Joe in the first debate, how has he been able to avoid being ripped for being Catholic while Amy is getting ripped by all of them.

Only idiots like Maher will make it about Catholicism.
Democrats should question her legal opinion on certain items that are likely to be in front of the court but they have public opinion on their side about filling the seat after the election and their agreements should be about process.
 
Democrats should question her legal opinion on certain items that are likely to be in front of the court

She should refuse to answer such stupid questions like that. Questions she should be asked should be on how she reached legal conclusions in her prior rulings.
 
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Only idiots like Maher will make it about Catholicism.
Democrats should question her legal opinion on certain items that are likely to be in front of the court but they have public opinion on their side about filling the seat after the election and their agreements should be about process.
Her religion will be brought up by the opposition in almost every instance. Keep me posted on all articles and opposition that do not include her religion. Can you imagine if the opposition brought up Kamala Harris' race time?
 
She should refuse to answer such stupid questions like that. Questions she should be asked should be on how she reached legal conclusions in her prior rulings.

Sorry I wasn't clearer. Of course you wouldn't expect an answer on how she would rule a hypothetical case. The questions should be framed around her opinions and public statements.
 
Her religion will be brought up by the opposition in almost every instance. Keep me posted on all articles and opposition that do not include her religion. Can you imagine if the opposition brought up Kamala Harris' race time?


You play the hand you are dealt. Attacking her religion at this point will only hurt democrats.
 
Only idiots like Maher will make it about Catholicism.
Democrats should question her legal opinion on certain items that are likely to be in front of the court but they have public opinion on their side about filling the seat after the election and their agreements should be about process.
I actually like Maher. His opinions are not really far left. He and I aré probably very close on the political spectrum. He however is an atheist. And he is anti religion. It’s his opinion. I think the Dems will actually tread very lightly on whether her religious views a d legal precedent conflicts, what will she do. It’s a losing argument. The Dems need to realize that this is a lost battle. But don’t go swinging at windmills when the war is right here.

Winning the election is of utmost importance. Don’t offend Catholics or Christians on a matter u can’t win. The manner in which the Republicans should be criticized.
 
I actually like Maher. His opinions are not really far left. He and I aré probably very close on the political spectrum. He however is an atheist. And he is anti religion. It’s his opinion. I think the Dems will actually tread very lightly on whether her religious views a d legal precedent conflicts, what will she do. It’s a losing argument. The Dems need to realize that this is a lost battle. But don’t go swinging at windmills when the war is right here.

Winning the election is of utmost importance. Don’t offend Catholics or Christians on a matter u can’t win. The manner in which the Republicans should be criticized.
I agree that going after Barret would be a dumb strategy. There is no way they are going to stop the confirmation and can only do damage with the suburban female vote if they go after her. Cut your losses and focus on winning the election.
 
I actually like Maher. His opinions are not really far left. He and I aré probably very close on the political spectrum. He however is an atheist. And he is anti religion. It’s his opinion. I think the Dems will actually tread very lightly on whether her religious views a d legal precedent conflicts, what will she do. It’s a losing argument. The Dems need to realize that this is a lost battle. But don’t go swinging at windmills when the war is right here.

Winning the election is of utmost importance. Don’t offend Catholics or Christians on a matter u can’t win. The manner in which the Republicans should be criticized.
A while back Maher wanted to film a hit piece on the Catholic church. So he lied to a former Bishop about his true intent and they allowed him to film the piece in a church. He did an interview with one of the Bishops that was a fluff piece to get the gig and then went on and basically hit the church very hard with his opinions while in the church. Agree or disagree with what he says but the guy is a scumbag first and foremost and always will be one IMO. The bishop was certainly naive but Maher knew exactly what he was doing.
 
A while back Maher wanted to film a hit piece on the Catholic church. So he lied to a former Bishop about his true intent and they allowed him to film the piece in a church. He did an interview with one of the Bishops that was a fluff piece to get the gig and then went on and basically hit the church very hard with his opinions while in the church. Agree or disagree with what he says but the guy is a scumbag first and foremost and always will be one IMO. The bishop was certainly naive but Maher knew exactly what he was doing.
This. Maher is an arrogant a-hole
 
I agree that going after Barret would be a dumb strategy. There is no way they are going to stop the confirmation and can only do damage with the suburban female vote if they go after her. Cut your losses and focus on winning the election.
There is also the other side of the coin where they can't just roll over and look weak. That could hurt morale.
 
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