Americans now are in George Orwell's 1984

[cernjSHU]

Actually, it was not a good look for all three today. That’s not a news flash.

Remains to be seen how this plays out. I wonder how the public feels about this and continuing to fund a war after this.

But cern let’s be honest. The war could end tomorrow and you wouldn’t give Trump an ounce of credit.

Can you just stop defending Trump at the indefensible. What we saw today was JD and Trump bullying Z. And then Trump throws him out

It’s like a woman who was raped going to the police station looking for help. And the police then badgering her to grovel on her knees for their help. Then the police throw her out because she refuse to give them oral sex. Remember Ukraine is the victim here and that is how you treat a victim?? It’s absolutely horrendous.

 

[shu09]

Ukraine has every right to fight, but does the U.S. have an obligation to fund it with an open check book and support the continued military and civilian casualties?

I’m rooting for peace also with a solution that ends up being acceptable for all parties. I’m pretty sure you’ll be unhappy with any solution, even if it means that criteria. That’s pretty sad.

This, well said. If Ukraine wants to keep "fighting to the death" (as their generals have said), go ahead. They have every right to do that. Just don't come to us anymore for weapons and money. This has gone on long enough and there needs to be a peaceful end.

 

[shu09]

Tell us you've never read the book or at least understood it without telling us. My goodness.

Biden had a direct censorship line with Facebook , Twitter , etc to shutdown memes and any dissent of the government directives.
Biden had 52 intelligence agents swear that the Hunter Biden laptop story was Russian Psyops. Anyone who said otherwise was banned on social media. Same went for anyone who stated that Covid was a lab leak.
Biden's handlers had a media team gas light anybody who though he wasnn't sharp as a tack until the debate when they couldn't cover for him.
Telling Americans that Trump was colluding with Russia for years.

All right out of Orwell. Did you forget that.

That was Orwellian. Not calling someone a dictator. FFS!

The scariest thing is you have actual heads of state in Europe and prominent people in a major political party (US Democrats) constantly parroting Orwellian terms like "misinformation" and "disinformation" in mainstream conversation. VP Vance called out the UK PM to his face yesterday on this, much like he put Zelenskyy in his place today.

 

[HALL85]

Can you just stop defending Trump at the indefensible. What we saw today was JD and Trump bullying Z. And then Trump throws him out

In your world, anyone that doesn’t trash Trump 24/7 is “defending” him. Laughable.

It’s like a woman who was raped going to the police station looking for help. And the police then badgering her to grovel on her knees for their help. Then the police throw her out because she refuse to give them oral sex. Remember Ukraine is the victim here and that is how you treat a victim?? It’s absolutely horrendous.

Another absurd analogy.

 

[Rockaway]

probably need replacement for Zelensky to get an end to war.He has a chip on his shoulder and he obviously gave indication he would sign agreement as first step and then security discussions with US and Europe would follow but he decided to make
Security the main discussion topic.

 

[SHallguy2]

Does anyone honestly think Trump sides were not convinced Zelenskyy was coming to sign minerals deal.Zelensky sandbagged them and that drew the reaction.Zelensky thinks he should decide to continue war or not if he doesn’t get what he wants let him continue the war without our aid.

Zelensky was acting like a billionaire, I’m sure he’s slipped a billion or 2 into his pocket. He seems to like all the attention. It would not surprise me that when the money dries up the war ends. Looks like we are about to find out.

 

[HALL85]

Make no mistake. EU countries want this war to end and they also realize that Zelensky is no angel. They know he sabotaged the Nordstream pipeline that created a mess with their energy costs. They also recognize Putin for who he is.

They also are obviously most concerned with Russia given the regional proximity. Short term - does Putin escalate and fire a missle into a neighboring country? Long term - Does he feel emboldened by what the outcome is. They know the U.S. has to take the lead on this and they are overly dependent on our military support.

No doubt they are nervous on how Trump is handling this for those reasons, but he is taking the attention away from them so they can virtue signal to their constituents.

 

[cernjSHU]

Make no mistake. EU countries want this war to end and they also realize that Zelensky is no angel. They know he sabotaged the Nordstream pipeline that created a mess with their energy costs. They also recognize Putin for who he is.

They also are obviously most concerned with Russia given the regional proximity. Short term - does Putin escalate and fire a missle into a neighboring country? Long term - Does he feel emboldened by what the outcome is. They know the U.S. has to take the lead on this and they are overly dependent on our military support.

No doubt they are nervous on how Trump is handling this for those reasons, but he is taking the attention away from them so they can virtue signal to their constituents.

The entire EU and Canada is supporting Zelensky, except for Orban- no surprise. Can all our allies be wrong.? I doubt it. Trump is basically ending the United States role as the leader of the free world. A role we have been doing since WW2.

Remember what this looks like to the rest of the world. We are abandoning our friends and allies. We don’t give a shit about Ukraine and we don’t care about Europe who are most powerful and loyal allies. The harm Trump is doing is irresponsible, reckless and I hope not irreparable. This is not the first time Trump has abandoned allies. He abandoned the Kurds who were our greatest fighters against ISIS. Yet he left them to the Turks to slaughter. We are no longer that bedrock of support and symbol of freedom. The ramifications of this will be felt for decades.

As an aside for those concerned about spending About 1% of the budget goes to foreign aid. About 68 billion went to military aid to countries in 2023. (This figure went way higher in 2024) This military aid furthers the interests and security of the US. The Department of Defense which was 820 billion.

For those who want to cut foreign aid, remember, these countries will have to get money from somewhere else. Guess who is going to be there to pick up the pieces? China. This will be a self inflicted wound that gives China far more influence in the world.

 

[HALL85]

The entire EU and Canada is supporting Zelensky, except for Orban- no surprise. Can all our allies be wrong.? I doubt it. Trump is basically ending the United States role as the leader of the free world. A role we have been doing since WW2.

The “free world” has effectively ceded defense and technology (all security) to the U.S.. They can’t afford to do either organically or in unison. We have been the leader and we need to continue to do that and have that innovation, development and production done here.

Remember what this looks like to the rest of the world. We are abandoning our friends and allies. We don’t give a shit about Ukraine and we don’t care about Europe who are most powerful and loyal allies. The harm Trump is doing is irresponsible, reckless and I hope not irreparable. This is not the first time Trump has abandoned allies. He abandoned the Kurds who were our greatest fighters against ISIS. Yet he left them to the Turks to slaughter. We are no longer that bedrock of support and symbol of freedom. The ramifications of this will be felt for decades.

We need for this war to end.

As an aside for those concerned about spending About 1% of the budget goes to foreign aid. About 68 billion went to military aid to countries in 2023. (This figure went way higher in 2024) This military aid furthers the interests and security of the US. The Department of Defense which was 820 billion.

Maybe we should take that money and spend it elsewhere for ours (and the worlds) interests, like ensuring we are in as strong a position than China.

For those who want to cut foreign aid, remember, these countries will have to get money from somewhere else. Guess who is going to be there to pick up the pieces? China. This will be a self inflicted wound that gives China far more influence in the world.

So you agree that China is our greatest threat. Thank you. We should use that aid to strategically support countries that pose a risk by aligning with China.