Originally posted by jim34238:
Old Alum, I have delt with individuals like you in my past. You, like the Church, have established hardened positions over the years that will never change.
Jim
'' I ha(d) delt (sic) with individuals like you'' as well, in my early childhood.
What iota of evidence do you have to say that I ''have established hardened positions ...that will never change''? (n.b. I do know that
you will change, because you did change your own argument ----
five times in this
one thread alone).
In fact, I pride myself of trying to learn as much as I can. I would be readily open to change my opinions (a) if you were to show me even one ''fact'' of which I am unaware (in your case I must add ''substantiated fact'', of course, for I have no interest in any fact withdrawn from your hindmost); or (b) one rule of logic from the Socratic --- or other recognized --- school (and not from ''Jim's School of Inconsistent Logic'', which has already been demonstrated to be fallacious).
Will you do the same??
Originally posted by jim34238:
Once again please re read my story about General Motors management. They had all the answers too and the logic to back them up. Unfortunately for them, the world was changing around them and they did not realize it, even after it was too late..so sad.
I did not ignore your GM metaphor earlier. I just saw no point in addressing it, because (1) it is even less analogous than your earlier attempts and, more importantly, (2) despite your protestations to the contrary (''one bite at a time''), you have ignored every other post I made debunking your bombast.
Although you seem to have trouble remembering your Logic classes at SHU, perhaps you can recall this truism from your elementary school arithmetic: you cannot mix apples and oranges.
GM is a publicly traded US stock "corporation" founded by the human, William Durant, and focused on profits and shareholder returns. If it does not sell, it will perish. It has yet to complete its first century.
The
Church was founded by the Son of God with the sole purpose of guiding humans to their own eternal happiness in a place where gold has value only as paving blocks. Catholicism is a continuation in virtually every respect of a religion which had lasted 2,000 years at the time of Christ, and not only is it the ONLY institution which has survived the last 2013 years, but also it has done so
without changing a single ''Truth'' (NOT the kind of ''truth'' which you equate to perception). Jesus said: ''Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.'' Matt 10:34 His objective is the Truth and He has not a scintilla of interest in sales, or profits, or customer satisfaction, or popularity
per se. And BTW the ''Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.''
And, while to you the trappings of the world do seem to change radically,
the underlying core principles and issues of religion have not changed by one micron in 10,000 years. The list of seven deadly sins has not changed, the enemy has not changed, the temptations have not changed, the thick-headedness of the people has not changed, and neither has the prospective cure changed --- AT ALL.
So your GM metaphor might have had a prayer of validity --- or at least some comic interest --- if it were based on some premise which were remotely analogous to the topic, but (alas!), to the church, GM is not relevant in its purpose, its objectives, its founder, its strategy, its longevity, its consistency, its success, or --- especially! --- its sales!.
Let me repeat: neither Jesus nor the Church cares about any statistic other than how many souls are saved.
Originally posted by jim34238:
I feel the "management" of the Catholic Church is in the same situation. They all sit around and tell each other how wonderful they are and why they are right in all matters and why they should not change. Change( including death) is the only thing in life that is certain and you fight it every inch of the way.
How would you know what the ''management'' of the Catholic Church ''tell(s) each other'' when it ''sits around''?
They do not need to discuss ''why they should not change''. They were instructed by the son of God! Why change?
Oh that's right, in ''Jim's World'' perception is ''truth''.
Originally posted by jim34238:
Disrespect and Nonsence? I don't think so. It is people who think like me who, someday, will save the Church.
I keep forgetting that I need to explain why every statement is in
context.
I presume by this ''Disrespect and Nonsence'' you are trying to address my charge against you --- highlighted by Bobbie --- that:
''
Now you start a
whole new thread on the
same topic with new bombast, ignoring all that went before it. Please explain why you feel the need to act with such nonsense and disrespect.''
What is the
sense of starting an entirely
new thread just to post a new (but redundant) link when we had a well established thread well underway??
Is it respectful to others on the board to proliferate threads with mere tangential links??
This had NOTHING to do with the topic of the thread, itself; just with your
modus operandi.
I am sure, despite your renewed physical prowess, that all those sail boats, golf rounds and girl friends must be tiring, but we would appreciate it if you would please try to stay focused while posting on these boards.
Thanks!
