As I see it

[Halldan1]

1. Connecticut 13-2
When Clingan comes back I can't see anything else but this. Even without him they're probably the best team in conference.

2. Marquette 11-4
Still a very good team but not as good as I originally believed.

3. Creighton 11-4
Might reach #2 or might drop a notch or two.

4. St. John's 11-4
Love him or hate him Pitino is special.

5. Villanova 10-5
Will probably move up when Moore comes back.

6. Seton Hall 10-5
Hey, it my list so shut up. 😁

7. Providence 11-4
Gonna drop without Hopkins

8. Xavier 7-7
They can legitimately be ranked a notch or two higher.

9. Butler 10-5
Just not sold on the Bulldogs moving forward. Three Ls in a row with Marquette on the road next.

10. Georgetown 8-7
Cooley says thank God for DePaul.

11. DePaul 3-11
DePaul has no one to thank God for.

 

[jack 1970]

I think we're better than Butler and Georgetown but we're on the road against them this week.Need to show up and play hard and well.Have to beat the lesser teams on the road.

 

[JoePeppitone2012]

You can see it anyway you want Dan but the standings right now say

#1 Seton Hall


Lol j/k just feels good to see

 

[ShoreGold]

We must bring it every night no matter the competition!!

 

[dehere23]

I like Dan’s list. Let’s see if Prov can regroup without Hopkins. It sometimes takes a few games to figure out how to play when you lose a kid if that caliber because he did everything for them in a key spot. They have a pretty talented roster overall though.

 

[dehere23]

Also Nova with and without Moore has been interesting. They’ve played well/won at times without him and played worse with him. An odd dynamic for a player like that.

 

[shu09]

1. Connecticut
2. Creighton
3. Marquette
4. St. John's
5. Providence
6. Villanova
7. Seton Hall
8. Xavier
9. Butler
10. Georgetown
11. DePaul

 

[SPK145]

This is now very hard to do.

1 - UCONN
2 - Marquette
3 - Creighton
4 - Villanova - Not by much
5 - St. John's - Rising
6 - Seton Hall - Rising
7 - Butler
8 - Providence - Falling plus no Hopkins puts them here
9 - Xavier

10 - Georgetown
11 - DePaul

 

[tpbtpb17]

1. Connecticut
2. Marquette
3. Creighton
4. St. John's
5. Seton Hall
6. Villanova
7. Butler
8. Xavier
9. Providence (without Hopkins)
10. Georgetown
11. DePaul

I expect that's how the season will finish as well heading into the BET, barring any major injuries.

 

[Gohall129]

Theres 0 reason to put St. John’s above us at this point.

 

[shu09]

Theres 0 reason to put St. John’s above us at this point.

Why not? They're rated better in every objective measurement.

 

[Gohall129]

Why not? They're rated better in every objective measurement.

Just my opinion . I think we’re a better team. watched them multiple times this year. Watching them vs providence right now. I’m Really not impressed by them. As they get into the thick of the big east, I expect them to struggle.

Most impressive thing about them is how often the refs swallow their whistle as St. John’s fouls every single play on defense

 

[shu09]

Look, I hate SJU more than any Seton Hall opponent. But they've been very impressive to date and have a HOF coach.

 

[lloyde dobler]

Just my opinion . I think we’re a better team. watched them multiple times this year. Watching them vs providence right now. I’m Really not impressed by them. As they get into the thick of the big east, I expect them to struggle.

Most impressive thing about them is how often the refs swallow their whistle as St. John’s fouls every single play on defense

Many people say the exact same thing about SHU

 

[Gohall129]

Look, I hate SJU more than any Seton Hall opponent. But they've been very impressive to date and have a HOF coach.

All seriousness what’s been that impressive. Didn’t have any big wins in conference play. Almost lost to Hofstra. Lost to UConn without Clingan. Beat a mid level Xavier and butler team. Beat nova without their best player. beat Providence without their best player in a one possession game

 

[Gohall129]

Many people say the exact same thing about SHU

That’s fine and they could be right…. but with 2 top ten wins, it’s a lot different than St. John’s resume

 

[tpbtpb17]

Xavier's home crowd is something else. Every single call the crowd is into it. Don't know if it's the acoustics or what, but boy are they engaged. Tough place to play.

 

[shu09]

All seriousness what’s been that impressive. Didn’t have any big wins in conference play. Almost lost to Hofstra. Lost to UConn without Clingan. Beat a mid level Xavier and butler team. Beat nova without their best player. beat Providence without their best player in a one possession game

Clearly on an upward trajectory. Strong non-conference win over Utah. Easily beat a Xavier team that smoked Seton Hall. Nearly won on the road at UConn. Won convincingly at Villanova. Won 10 of last 12 games after a 2-2 start.

 

[dehere23]

Clearly on an upward trajectory. Strong non-conference win over Utah. Easily beat a Xavier team that smoked Seton Hall. Nearly won on the road at UConn. Won convincingly at Villanova. Won 10 of last 12 games after a 2-2 start.

I think they lose on the road to Creighton, and lose at our place because they never beat us there. But Pitino has them playing pretty well.

 

[radecicco]

Marquette being exposed again. What’s going on with Kolek?

 

[TheHall87]

All seriousness what’s been that impressive. Didn’t have any big wins in conference play. Almost lost to Hofstra. Lost to UConn without Clingan. Beat a mid level Xavier and butler team. Beat nova without their best player. beat Providence without their best player in a one possession game

Utah is a better non-conference win than any we have. By a lot.

Hofstra is better (metrics wise) than either St. Peter's or Monmouth who we struggled with. Hofstra's NET is better than Missouri's for that matter. Hell, we struggled with Georgetown who may be worse than all of those teams.

That mid-level Xavier team beat us by 20.

You can make the argument that if Clingan and Hopkins are able to play a full game, we lose to both UConn and PC.

Those are the arguments that others are making when comparing us to SJU.

I haven't watched a ton of SJU but watched a good chunk of tonight's game. They looked like we did last night. Great for parts of the game, not good for others. I suspect when you really come down to it, neither team is appreciably better than the other.

 

[Halldan1]

Kenpom - SJU
Tue Nov 7		237	Stony Brook	W, 90-74			Home	1-0
Mon Nov 13		71	Michigan	L, 89-73			Home	1-1
Thu Nov 16		63	North Texas	W, 53-52			Neutral	2-1
Fri Nov 17		30	Dayton	L, 88-81			Neutral	2-2
Sun Nov 19		29	Utah	W, 91-82			Neutral	3-2
Sat Nov 25		357	Holy Cross	W, 91-45			Home	4-2
Fri Dec 1		145	West Virginia	W, 79-73			Away	5-2
Wed Dec 6		309	Sacred Heart	W, 85-50			Home	6-2
Sun Dec 10		86	Boston College	L, 86-80			Semi-Home	6-3
Sat Dec 16		206	Fordham	W, 77-55			Home	7-3
Wed Dec 20		41	Xavier	W, 81-66			Home	8-3	1-0
Sat Dec 23		5	Connecticut	L, 69-65			Away	8-4	1-1
Sat Dec 30		117	Hofstra	W, 84-79			Home	9-4
Tue Jan 2		52	Butler	W, 86-70			Home	10-4	2-1
Sat Jan 6		26	Villanova	W, 81-71			Away	11-4	3-1
Wed Jan 10		42	Providence	W, 75-73			Home	12-4	4-1

 

[Piratz]

I’ve seen St. John’s play a few times. They’re a notch above us right now, IMO. I despise them too, @shu09 and hope we beat them.

They’ve got a lot of options, especially in areas we don’t, which is forward. The UMass transfer RJ Luis is a nightmare, he might be their best player. Dude is long, athletic, and highly skilled. He’s like the Tauren Thompson dreamed of, LOL. And Jenkins hasn’t shot well, but you can see the type of player he’ll be. Their backcourt is solid, I don’t think it’s as good as Seton Hall’s when Dawes is going well. Ledlum will annoy the hell out of us. Obviously Soriano can be a beast.

 

[Halldan1]

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[CL82]

Many people say the exact same thing about SHU

People can say whatever they want. The only thing that matters is that you are 4-1 in conference and 11-5 overall. at this point, if you beat the teams that you are supposed to beat, you are going to be in the Dance.

 

[PirateFan94]

Why not? They're rated better in every objective measurement.

Except record. Haven’t beaten a ranked team. Only games in common they split. We are 2-0 (prov & UConn). *Correction we’re both 2-1. Didn’t see they played X.

 

[SPK145]

I have St. John's ahead of Seton Hall right now but not by much at all.

 

[PirateFan94]

Marquette being exposed again. What’s going on with Kolek

Maybe a hangover. I Hope or it will diminish our top 10 win.

 

[dehere23]

I’ve seen St. John’s play a few times. They’re a notch above us right now, IMO. I despise them too, @shu09 and hope we beat them.

They’ve got a lot of options, especially in areas we don’t, which is forward. The UMass transfer RJ Luis is a nightmare, he might be their best player. Dude is long, athletic, and highly skilled. He’s like the Tauren Thompson dreamed of, LOL. And Jenkins hasn’t shot well, but you can see the type of player he’ll be. Their backcourt is solid, I don’t think it’s as good as Seton Hall’s when Dawes is going well. Ledlum will annoy the hell out of us. Obviously Soriano can be a beast.

I like Soriano, obviously. I like their depth. And most of all they are coached by Pitino.

 

[shu09]

Except record. Haven’t beaten a ranked team. Only games in common they split. We are 2-0 (prov & UConn). *Correction we’re both 2-1. Didn’t see they played X.

St. John's has a better record than Seton Hall. 12-4 vs. 11-5.

 

[Halldan1]

Kenpom

36

St. John's

BE

12-4

+16.40

68

Seton Hall

BE

11-5

+11.36

 

[mbraue]

Why not? They're rated better in every objective measurement.

Hate to agree, but they are a dangerous team. In conference play, they are at or near the top in offensive and defensive efficiency. Only category they are not so hot in is FT shooting.

 

[Halldan1]

Kenpom

Conference-only offense

2 St. John's

110.8

5 Seton Hall

103.9

Conference-only defense

5 St. John's

99.7

6 Seton Hall

102.0

 

[PirateFan94]

St. John's has a better record than Seton Hall. 12-4 vs. 11-5.

In conference?

 

[shu09]

In conference?

Overall record. Each team has only played 5 conference games.

 

[NYC Pirate]

On the eye test and the analytic comparison SJU gets the nod. On the other hand Ill take SHU beating UConn by 15, taking down #7 Marquette and winning up at Providence over a sound win at Villanova and wins,against Xavier & West Virginia. The truth is we won't really know until they play each other.

U Conn
Creighton
Villanova
Marquette
SHU. SJU
Butler
Xavier
Providence
Georgetown
DePaul

 

[CL82]

The truth is we won't really know until they play each other.

It's a tough matchup for you guys. Soriano is tough for everyone though. Big east officiating isn't going to help you. I would expect Saint Johns to be very physical in the paint to try to stop you guys from going to the basket. If those fouls get called, you'll be fine. There's no guarantee that they will be though.