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I'm not really sure how it's only rhetoric. The money is available to bolster the departments and hire more police. We can all agree that's a good thing.
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I'm not really sure how it's only rhetoric. The money is available to bolster the departments and hire more police. We can all agree that's a good thing.
gonna have to pay them all more. besides all the retirements im sure there a big dip in recruitment/applications
Yes the money is available but towns/counties can do whatever they want with the money.
There are so many people who want to be police officers. Filling up positions is never a problem. Problem is getting the right people for those jobs. Police officers make very good money in states like NJ with a great pension. With OT and and side jobs, police officers all over the state are making over $100k. Then you can get to towns like Edison where a captain makes over $180k. There will be no shortage of people wanting to be police officers.
Biden is pushing towns to put more cops on the street and use that money. Knies is 100% correct. That is a good thing. Biden is pro law enforcement and always has been.
And the cities/towns whose population values law enforcement will take that money and invest it wisely. Those who do not will divert that money to other programs. It will be interesting to see what Eric Adams does when he becomes mayor....gonna get torn in different directions.
Huge difference though, I'm not against more police funding, I'm against the federal government sticking their noses and treasure into areas the federal government shouldn't be involved in.
What are you thoughts on Biden providing $350 billion to fund police departments hiring more cops?
Biden Diverts COVID Funds to Police to Fight Crime in Snub to Progressives
"Cities experiencing an increase in gun violence were able to use the American Rescue Plan dollars to hire police officers needed for community policing and to pay their overtime," President Joe Biden said on Wednesday.www.google.com
I think it is more of a political ploy than a solution.
He can claim he is not for defunding.
Moreover:
1. Funding police salaries is a local responsibility.
2. It take a about a year to train a cop and so this will not help now. Long term, it could help,
I would rather see:
1. End no-cash bail.
2. Get the courts out of Covid shutdown and start putting people behind bars.
3. Get the prosecutors to prosecute crimes instead of ignoring them
4. Don't release prisoners because of covid.
5. Secure the border to slow down the drugs.
6. Prosecute shoplifters.
etc, etc.
No chance. I know tons of people who believe what happened at the insurrection was a disgrace and wrong, but also agree more with Republicans on policy and cultural matters. Some voted for Trump and some did not. Just like I know tons of people who are staunch Democrats but believe this "woke" nonsense is ruining the country, the teachers union is out of control, and that every "peaceful protest" we saw last spring/summer which involved throwing bricks through windows was flat wrong, regardless of motive.
I think a huge majority falls right in the middle of policy issues. I wish there was a candidate that could unite that and have a chance to win without having to cave to the extremists on each side of the party. But we have a binary system and those extremists wield powerful influence with their followers - you can go from being a bartender to a folk hero with a huge platform, money and 7-figure future by playing your cards right and knowing how to leverage social media.
This is who I want, and I've voted more in my lifetime for D's for Presidency than R's. I think how he handled the pandemic has been incredible. And the D's are worried about him too, because they commissioned that 60 minute hit piece on him early that backfired. Unfortunately I think most folks tend to stick with party allegiance no matter what. There are Republicans who supported Trump who never would have if he was a Democrat. And god knows what the mainstream media and most Democrats would be saying about Weekend at Biden's if he had an R next to his name.
Money that actually goes to fixing roads, bridges, tunnels, etc - amen. From your lips to gods ears. And all the real jobs associated with that.
Money that goes to special interests, favored groups, nonsensical pet projects, woke BS, unions and other arms of the Democratic party - no thanks.
Let's see where it lands.
Charade is a weird word choice by the way, “Man.”
I held my nose twice. But don’t regret it. What the left supports or doesn’t reject is sick. They worry about mean tweets lol.
The “insurrection” (lol great political word choice there though, I must admit) was like a few thousand (too many estimated?) loons who should all be locked up, like pretty much every trump voter here has said. Unlike others here AND politicians who when the shoe was on the other foot stayed mum.
still waiting for change/improvement though. Waiting optimistically, I’ll note, because I don’t wake up saying “Never (inset President name)” to create these epic solutions …. I just work and have fun and generally speaking follow this stuff like it’s a child’s sport
Our President seems distracted by the continued atrocities going on in socialist/communist countries and things there that, unlike those countries, were addressed by our government about 80 years ago if not more.
maybe the town dog catcher is a good candidate, by the way, Knees.
You can’t necessarily agree if you believe that police powers are a state issue. That’s a thing….
The federal government has given money to states for policing forever. This Is not a recent thing.
Are you against the Feds giving states money for law enforcement? What else should the Feds stay from funding the states, ie disaster relief like many Republicans stated after Hurricane Sandy but then asked for the same funds when their states got hit with natural disasters?
How about 9/11 fund? Where is that line that you speak of that the Feds should not help the states?
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Then shouldn't federal troops have
Plenty of democrats didn't call the riots what they were, but plenty of Republicans didnt call what happened in DC what it was.
I'm against all of that federal funding other than the 09/11 fund, that was an attack on the country, something the federal government is actually empowered to provide for. The other funding you described is a way that the federal government exerts undue control over the states.
Each state has its own challenges due to location, past/present state and local government choices, etc. We are a republic of 50 individual states and our Constitution does not, and should not, provide for federal help on issues that are strictly a state and local issue. Why should Iowa pay for NJ's Sandy's needs? Why should NJ pay for Iowa floods?
Pirata, unsure of what your response is about except it certainly sounds snarky. However, I'll play ball. Per Webster's: Insurrection is "an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government." Exactly what happened on January 6, 2021.
By that definition, it also happened in Portland (Federal building and police department) and Ferguson (Police Department)….
fair comparison. Fair to impeach politicians who invited same if we’re talking precedent.
My personal opinion is everything was overblown ….. save for the loss of lives and looting/rioting that ruined the lives of innocent people, including livelihoods.
my whataboutism is hanging out and I love it.
Because helping a crisis in one location (or many) is a benefit to us all and is covered by Article 1 - section 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States
Per Hamilton -
"The terms "general Welfare" were doubtless intended to signify more than was expressed or imported in those which Preceded; otherwise numerous exigencies incident to the affairs of a Nation would have been left without a provision. The phrase is as comprehensive as any that could have been used; because it was not fit that the constitutional authority of the Union, to appropriate its revenues shou'd have been restricted within narrower limits than the "General Welfare" and because this necessarily embraces a vast variety of particulars, which are susceptible neither of specification nor of definition."
Not quite. I would classify that as a riot. Courts and police are a government function. It is not the government or governing body as is Congress and the President.
I did not mean to came across as snarky.
Definition of Revolt:
"an attempt to put an end to the authority of a person or body by rebelling."
You can't seriously consider that rabble as trying to end the authority of the United States.
It was a protest at worst. Three gun charges in total. No guns were brandished. The only shot fired was the one that killed an unarmed women (a veteran).
Trumps words had little to do with whether it would have happened or not . It was happening with or without anything he said.
A sad day nonetheless and the yahoos are being prosecuted and rightfully so.
Insurrection, no. It's just the Dems and Libs trying to make the most of it. When they burn federal courthouses, its called a "Peaceful Protest".
In my opinion if the people wrongfully inside the Capitol got their hands on Pelosi, Schumer and possibly McConnell, they would have put an end to the authority of those three.
Hogwash.
Madison on the Meaning of the “General Welfare,” the “Purpose” of Enumerated Powers, and the “Definition” of Constitutional Government
According to James Madison, “the most important and fundamental question” he ever addressed was the meaning of and relation between the general welfare clause and the enumeration of particular powers. This question is the most “fundamental” because the answer determines the very “idea” or “nature” of the U.S. Constitution. Commentators virtually agree on the answer Madison proposed and defended in Federalist 41, namely, that the general welfare clause is neither a statement of ends nor a substantive grant of power. It is a mere “synonym” for the enumeration of particular powers, which are limited and wholly define its content. From this answer, it follows that the primary meaning of the national dimension of the federal Constitution is limited government, understood as a government with a limited number of powers or means. The thesis of this essay, however, is that, contrary to the commentators' claims, Madison argued that the clause was a substantive grant of power for the generally stated end and that the primary purpose of the ensuing enumeration was to define more particularly the ends alluded to by the phrase “general welfare.” Hence, the meaning of the general constitutional government in the American federal system is a government oriented to a limited number of limited ends.
Right, that is the other side of the debate but the Supreme Court has sided with Hamilton several times. Precedent has been established that the interpretation has a fairly broad reach.
I do consider it attempt to stop Biden to become President. When in your lifetime did you think something like this would ever happen that people would storm the Capitol? I know I never considered that. 140 officers were injured during this including many who suffered concussions, broken bones including ribs. Cops were being beaten by these people in hand to hand combat. This was violent. They were armed with bats, shields, stun guns and bear spray. Those are weapons. Plus, there were a few people who were arrested that did have firearms. Unclear whether they actually were inside the Capitol. God forbid they ever did get their hands on politicians like Schumer, Pelosi or Pence.
Trump and his minions encouraged and incited this. I know personally people who during the aftermath wanted civil war. I take this very serious. This is not a few nut jobs.
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The rally definitely was an attempt to stop it. It was all about overturning the votes and having Pence not confirm the results. Trump hyped it for months after he lost. The guy is a total loser.
It was a terrible day in our history but the over the top embellishment is silly. What COULD have happened to Pelosi, Schumer, etc? What about what DID happen to Scalise and others. There are political extremists out there that do terrible things but do not represent the electorate.
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Wasnt the rally called "Stop the Steal"? Lol.
What was the purpose of it, if not to overturn the election results?
I don’t know what the purpose was but it was a small number of people that were acting on their own, not representing the electorate. If the security plan was better, it would have never happened.
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So we blame the police for what happened but when the animals lily the cities we blame the looters. Got it.
That does represent the electorate because trump just got 99% of the poll at cpac.
So we blame the police for what happened but when the animals lily the cities we blame the looters. Got it.
That does represent the electorate because trump just got 99% of the poll at cpac.
The 1983 Senate bombing. Jerry Nadler had Bill Clinton exonerate one of the culprits who later became a BLM associate. President Dementia will keep telling you that only the most recent event was the worst.
Fact: House Judiciary Committee Chairman
@RepJerryNadler
got President Clinton to pardon terrorist Susan Rosenberg, who planted a bomb outside the US Senate chamber in 1983 to try to assassinate Republican senators.
Or the other time 50 secret service agents were injured by BLM rioting near the White House.
50 Secret Service agents injured in White House riots as Donald Trump is taken to 'terror attack' bunker
MORE than 50 Secret Service agents have been injured during ugly clashes outside the White House on a sixth night of violence sparked by the death of George Floyd. The attacks came after President …
www.thesun.co.uk
Conflating two issues. The post mortem on the riot did point to poor communication and coordination. I'm not excusing the actions of the rioters in Washington, Portland, Minneapolis or Fergusson. They are all deplorable.
You don't have to attend an insurrection to support one. People who profess to be unaware of the true purpose of people breaching the Capitol, minimize the crowd size as a "small number of people" and blame the police for not planning better support the agenda of the people who were there that day.
Welcome to the insurrection.
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