Billary

[donnie_baseball]

Found this an eye-opening article, and what's more astounding is how many folks have been fooled into thinking that this man was a good President, much less a good man. And don't tell me you can be a good President -- of this United States -- without being a decent human being. I actually pity Hilary, and wonder why the hell she doesn't dump him. I know I'd respect her a hell of a lot more.

NY Post

 

[Pirate6711]

Originally posted by donnie_baseball:

Found this an eye-opening article, and what's more astounding is how many folks have been fooled into thinking that this man was a good President, much less a good man. And don't tell me you can be a good President -- of this United States -- without being a decent human being. I actually pity Hilary, and wonder why the hell she doesn't dump him. I know I'd respect her a hell of a lot more.

NY Post

She has stayed with Bill for the same reason that all these women stay with scum politicians (Elizabeth Edwards is a recent one that comes to mind). They are blinded by the money, power, and fame. If they file for divorce, then they lose all of that.

Tipper Gore dumped Al Gore, but not until after he lost his power and fame.

 

[donnie_baseball]

Originally posted by Pirate6711:

Originally posted by donnie_baseball:

Found this an eye-opening article, and what's more astounding is how many folks have been fooled into thinking that this man was a good President, much less a good man. And don't tell me you can be a good President -- of this United States -- without being a decent human being. I actually pity Hilary, and wonder why the hell she doesn't dump him. I know I'd respect her a hell of a lot more.

NY Post

She has stayed with Bill for the same reason that all these women stay with scum politicians (Elizabeth Edwards is a recent one that comes to mind). They are blinded by the money, power, and fame. If they file for divorce, then they lose all of that.

Tipper Gore dumped Al Gore, but not until after he lost his power and fame.

Maybe, but I have to think that she has enough money, and has blazed enough of her own trail (though I despise her), that she could dump Bill and go on. If he's as sick as this article portrays him to be, he might actually put another dent in her aspirations...On second thought, she should absolutely honor her matrimonial commitment.

 

[Pirate6711]

If Hillary could stand on her own politically, she would have dumped him long ago. But Bill has a lot of friends with very deep pockets who have a lot of power. If she dumped him, I can't imagine the forces that would have been against her in her senate races, her bid to be Secretary of State, and her upcoming presidential bid.

 

[donnie_baseball]

Originally posted by Pirate6711:
If Hillary could stand on her own politically, she would have dumped him long ago. But Bill has a lot of friends with very deep pockets who have a lot of power. If she dumped him, I can't imagine the forces that would have been against her in her senate races, her bid to be Secretary of State, and her upcoming presidential bid.

Yes, that is the other side of the coin. Pick your poison for her. Either way, like most career politicians, both are disgusting human beings.

 

[Section112]

There are pages on the Internet (in fact a Wikipedia) dedicated to Bill Clinton's Sexual Misconduct and the list is long and the other interesting area is the "Clinton Body Count" of dead folks that may have had damaging info on him regarding various investigations (Ken Starr investigation) and his sexual exploits. None of this stuff is substantiated but its a really long list of stuff and the timing of the deaths is interesting if not questionable.

Where there is smoke there is usually fire and you have to think a few of these things are true or are too close to be a coincidence. A smiling exterior personality but seems like a lot of shady stuff went on in the background. Question is how much will this follow Hillary or will it have no effect?

 

[HALL85]

Palin is an idiot, but can you imagine what the press would have done if her husband did the same stuff??? No credibility in the press anymore. I don't think Hillary is electable even though she polls well at this point. Don't know who else is going to enter the Dem race.

This post was edited on 2/21 11:46 AM by HALL85

 

[PiratePride]

Originally posted by HALL85:
. Don't know who else is going to enter the Dem race.

This post was edited on 2/21 11:46 AM by HALL85

Jim Webb is making some noise.... money talks though and not sure if he could get the big money behind him

 

[Section112]

I like Jim Webb

 

[donnie_baseball]

If she is the star of the Democratic party, and the Republicans have precious few quality hopefuls, we are in deep, deep trouble.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/05/us/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-catches-democrats-off-guards.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

 

[Pirate6711]

Originally posted by donnie_baseball:

If she is the star of the Democratic party, and the Republicans have precious few quality hopefuls, we are in deep, deep trouble.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/05/us/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-catches-democrats-off-guards.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

The e-mail story confuses me. It takes all of two seconds to create hclinton@state.fed.gov or whatever it is. Of all things to refuse/avoid, getting an e-mail through your employer is quite a dumb one.

 

[Merge]

Originally posted by Pirate6711:

Originally posted by donnie_baseball:

If she is the star of the Democratic party, and the Republicans have precious few quality hopefuls, we are in deep, deep trouble.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/05/us/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-catches-democrats-off-guards.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

The e-mail story confuses me. It takes all of two seconds to create hclinton@state.fed.gov or whatever it is. Of all things to refuse/avoid, getting an e-mail through your employer is quite a dumb one.

Yeah, I am not sure if this is really an issue or not.

Did she refuse using the account? Was she advised to use the account?

I don't like her, but I am not sold on there being intentional negligence.

 

[HALL85]

This may be Hillary's "Bridgegate". The concerning thing to me is that she is communicating classified information on a personal email account via a personal server. One of the requirements to use the government email (or if you work for a company) is to ensure the information is secure, encrypted, etc. The government spends millions and is accountable to make sure the framework is secure. Sending stuff through her personal server to me could be a huge security risk to the country.

 

[PiratePride]

Yeah, I agree... the security issue is very troubling.

Just as a for instance example of the type of security that exists in company email systems today........
I recently tried to email my W2 to my personal email account so I could print it off from home. Sure enough the email was rejected and not sent because it contained my Social security number info. We are prevented from sending unencrypted SSN's in our email system. Also we are prevented from sending other CPNI information about ourselves, co-workers, customers, etc. It's for all of our protection. Thousands of commercial enterprises do the same.

If Hillary's email account was not secured in the same manner that other Dept of State emails are .... that to me is the "crime".

Another point..... she and her handlers are suggesting that she wants the public to see her emails.... all 55,000 of them that her staff culled out of her personal email account and sent to Dept of State. She's got to be kidding?..... Unfortunately not.
.
Shades of the Rose Law firm records?????

The Clintons are masters of the spin and parsing the truth. I don't trust her for a minute.

this "oversight" was just as unintentional as Sandy Berger stuffing classsified documents into his trousers. You know Hillary... she's sooooooo absent minded.
This post was edited on 3/5 11:52 AM by PiratePride

 

[HALL85]

It's really curious to see how this will play out. Apparently, now not one of the 55,000 pages of emails contained anything about Benghazi? And Obama had no knowledge of her using a personal email account exclusively for conducting government business? You mean to tell me he never noticed the @Clintonemail.com?

The issue here is national security. Can you imagine the branch manager at your bank providing access to your accounts via his/her personal email account? Of course you wouldn't do that and this is 1,000 times worse.

What's the likelihood that China, Russia or even North Korea being able to hack into her private server? I'm sure after they sorted through all of Bill's child porn, they had access to everything!!!

 

[Merge]

Originally posted by HALL85:

It's really curious to see how this will play out. Apparently, now not one of the 55,000 pages of emails contained anything about Benghazi? And Obama had no knowledge of her using a personal email account exclusively for conducting government business? You mean to tell me he never noticed the @Clintonemail.com?

The issue here is national security. Can you imagine the branch manager at your bank providing access to your accounts via his/her personal email account? Of course you wouldn't do that and this is 1,000 times worse.

What's the likelihood that China, Russia or even North Korea being able to hack into her private server? I'm sure after they sorted through all of Bill's child porn, they had access to everything!!!

Best possible thing just happened for Hillary
http://www.newsweek.com/report-russians-hacked-white-house-320522

She gets to play this off as a joke now.

 

[HALL85]

Originally posted by Merge:

Originally posted by HALL85:

Best possible thing just happened for Hillary
http://www.newsweek.com/report-russians-hacked-white-house-320522

She gets to play this off as a joke now.

Really?? This actually makes what she did worse. If Russia can hack into the White House, how secure do you think her server in the basement of their house is??

Merge, Whether she survives this or not to get the Dem nomination, are you actually okay with what she did and how she lied about it?

 

[Merge]

Originally posted by HALL85:

Originally posted by Merge:

Originally posted by HALL85:

Best possible thing just happened for Hillary
http://www.newsweek.com/report-russians-hacked-white-house-320522

She gets to play this off as a joke now.

Really?? This actually makes what she did worse. If Russia can hack into the White House, how secure do you think her server in the basement of their house is??

Merge, Whether she survives this or not to get the Dem nomination, are you actually okay with what she did and how she lied about it?

Since political campaigning has more to do with soundbites as opposed to substance, yes, I think a hack on the white house e-mail will pretty much make this issue go away. She can either go with "Now that the hack is public knowledge - I was advised by my IT security expert that the controls in place over the white house servers were not adequate, I advised the white house to fix the problems and decided have my own server set up until they resolved the issues"

or she can make a joke out of it. "I understand that I should have probably used the white house servers, but now it looks like mine is the only e-mail the Russians haven't read"

I wasn't sure at first, but as more details have emerged I am not remotely close to ok with what she did. (though I don't think this issue will hurt her chances)
I can get the argument that she used her own servers - I could buy a lot of reasons why she would want that.

"Here are 55,000 pages - I deleted everything else" - That I would not buy from anyone.
I will not be voting for her.

 

[HALL85]

Well the State Department servers have nothing to do with the White House server that was hacked, but you're right in that America has the attention span of one sound-byte and probably dumb enough to think there is one big computer room in D.C.

I was at a meeting with cyber security experts a few of weeks ago (which by the way, scared the living crap out of me in terms of what hackers are doing!), and I can tell you that the hacking risk on a personal PC is huge. It comparable analogy is having your local bank manager have you access your account information through his or her email.

I do hope two great candidates emerge from each party. She might win the nomination, but what an awful choice for President and this whole episode confirms it.

 

[Pirate6711]

Originally posted by HALL85:

Well the State Department servers have nothing to do with the White House server that was hacked, but you're right in that America has the attention span of one sound-byte and probably dumb enough to think there is one big computer room in D.C.

I was at a meeting with cyber security experts a few of weeks ago (which by the way, scared the living crap out of me in terms of what hackers are doing!), and I can tell you that the hacking risk on a personal PC is huge. It comparable analogy is having your local bank manager have you access your account information through his or her email.

I do hope two great candidates emerge from each party. She might win the nomination, but what an awful choice for President and this whole episode confirms it.

Fat chance of that happening from just ONE party, much less both of them.

 

[HALL85]

Originally posted by Pirate6711:

Originally posted by HALL85:

I do hope two great candidates emerge from each party. She might win the nomination, but what an awful choice for President and this whole episode confirms it.

Fat chance of that happening from just ONE party, much less both of them.

Kind of like I hope we make the NCAA's each year.....I can dream, but it is a fat, make that obese, chance.

 

[Pirate6711]

Originally posted by HALL85:

Originally posted by Pirate6711:

Originally posted by HALL85:

I do hope two great candidates emerge from each party. She might win the nomination, but what an awful choice for President and this whole episode confirms it.

Fat chance of that happening from just ONE party, much less both of them.

Kind of like I hope we make the NCAA's each year.....I can dream, but it is a fat, make that obese, chance.

 

[HALL85]

As much as I think Deblasio is a bozo and has no clue how to govern, I find it comical that other Democrats and the media is calling him to task for not supporting Hillary out of the gate. She's produced one video that says nothing about her positions on anything and we haven't seen any other Dem candidates (much less all the Rep's) announce and you're expected to fall in line and fawn over her with an endorsement??? Another example of incompetence in politics and the media.....

 

[Pirate6711]

Originally posted by HALL85:

As much as I think Deblasio is a bozo and has no clue how to govern, I find it comical that other Democrats and the media is calling him to task for not supporting Hillary out of the gate. She's produced one video that says nothing about her positions on anything and we haven't seen any other Dem candidates (much less all the Rep's) announce and you're expected to fall in line and fawn over her with an endorsement??? Another example of incompetence in politics and the media.....

The media coverage is more of a result of the social media overload. All the stations not only have to fill 24 hours of TV air time, but also round-the-clock social media needs (and 99% of the content is garbage). They just report and post on what is fed to them through "sources" or PR people (just like sports journalism).

On the actual "issue" (which is so incredibly dumb), it's clear that the democrats wants an entirely united front regardless of what Hillary stands for. They have seen what happened with the republicans post-Bush and don't want to fall into that division.

I think it will hurt them because they are ignoring that republicans have done very well on the state level for the last 15 years or so and that's with the party being fractured for the last two presidential elections.

 

[HALL85]

You know how Hillary is going to try to explain away the latest controversy (approving the uranium deal as head of State Dept, and then taking a $2M contribution to the Clinton Foundation), but with the NY Times running the story, she can't use the "Republican's will try anything" angle. 81 weeks until the Presidential election and the question is how long do Dem leaders continue to blindly support her as more comes out?

 

[Section112]

You know how Hillary is going to try to explain away the latest controversy (approving the uranium deal as head of State Dept, and then taking a $2M contribution to the Clinton Foundation), but with the NY Times running the story, she can't use the "Republican's will try anything" angle. 81 weeks until the Presidential election and the question is how long do Dem leaders continue to blindly support her as more comes out?

This is what you get with the Clintons. More questions than answers. So far the election is a long way off and we have serious Benghazi questions, server gate and now this. With that book coming out making a pretty good case about donations going to the Clinton Foundation at the same time as deals being approved by the State Dept. The Clintons think they have this won and they could be right if the American people don't wake the F up. I'll make the pledge - no more Clintons and no more Bush's. Who is with me?

 

[Bobbie Solo]

This new scandal is the only one with any real legs to it. It also points back to the most important issue that matters in our government at the national level at this time: we need to get ALL money out of politics. Whether you lean right or left, the legalized bribery that goes on with lobbyists, outside PACs, unions, etc has destroyed the process. I love what Cenk & the Young Turks are trying to do here:

http://www.wolf-pac.com/

Very bold & maybe not realistic, but they've slowly made a little headway. An amendment that circumvents congress might be the only way to stop what $ is doing to our elections.

But re: Hillary/uranium, the question is will it get any real traction with the vast majority of people who do not pay attention at all to this stuff, part. so far out from the actual election? Sadly, probably not. Whatever, I wasn't voting for any democratic candidate except Sanders (i know i know...independent) or Warren regardless. Hillary's just another hawkish centrist that will feed the machine and do little that I can get behind other than ensure that no more right wing crazies get put on the supreme court.

Merge or other left-leaning guys, what should I know about Martin O'Malley? Good guy, or no?

 

[PiratePride]

Don't remember where I saw this, but some reporter is claiming that former Va governor McDonald and his wife are doing time for less than what is reported about Hillary and Bill... and with no direct quid pro quo either.

 

[shu09]

I'll make the pledge - no more Clintons and no more Bush's. Who is with me?

I'm with you. I have decided that I will not vote for either Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton no matter what they say in the campaigns. If they run against each other in the general, I won't vote or I'll vote for a third party.

I am not a Hillary fan just as much as the next person, but people really need to stop this Benghazi conspiracy talk. What exactly are they covering up? That's a question nobody who believes this garbage has ever provided a good answer to. Four Americans died. It was a tragedy, acknowledged by both Clinton and the President. Tragedies happen, that's the end of it.

 

[Section112]

I'm with you. I have decided that I will not vote for either Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton no matter what they say in the campaigns. If they run against each other in the general, I won't vote or I'll vote for a third party.

I am not a Hillary fan just as much as the next person, but people really need to stop this Benghazi conspiracy talk. What exactly are they covering up? That's a question nobody who believes this garbage has ever provided a good answer to. Four Americans died. It was a tragedy, acknowledged by both Clinton and the President. Tragedies happen, that's the end of it.

So SHU09 I thought you were a pretty smart guy. Do you really believe the talking points that were shoved down our throat by someone not in charge of the State Dept at the time that a riot started in Benghazi in response to a video? I mean trained killers just happened to be rioting in the area because of a video and they were the ones that stormed the building and knew to go after the Ambassador and where he and his people were hiding? You think that just happened out of the blue? And why were the US security folks on the ground told to stand down? Was something else going on? This was so much of a cover up I can't believe people who have actually researched what really happened could truly believe the line from the State Dept. This was either a deal that went bad or something else and they did nothing to stop it or send troops over to protect them and they could have gotten there in 60-90 minutes. A member of my family is an Army Ranger in Italy and told me they and the Seals were ready to go and never were sent for some reason and the siege lasted hours and hours. Do some research and don't believe everything you read and you might come up with another conclusion. This is not political from my point of view. These are Americans that were left to die because something else clearly was going on and they underestimated the situation.

 

[shu09]

Of course I don't believe that, but as HRC said, what difference does it make? The attack happened. Unfortunately we can't go back in time to change that fact.

Benghazi is a talking point used by folks who dislike the President and/or HRC. It's as simple as that. Yet another politicized issue in DC. As I said, I'm no fan of HRC but there's nothing out of the ordinary here. Libya is a dangerous place and those who serve there knew the risks.

 

[HALL85]

Of course I don't believe that, but as HRC said, what difference does it make? The attack happened. Unfortunately we can't go back in time to change that fact.

Benghazi is a talking point used by folks who dislike the President and/or HRC. It's as simple as that. Yet another politicized issue in DC. As I said, I'm no fan of HRC but there's nothing out of the ordinary here. Libya is a dangerous place and those who serve there knew the risks.

09, I have an issue with the "what difference does it make" view as well. The families of those that were murdered deserve answers and accountability for how it happened and who didn't do their job.

 

[Section112]

Wow what difference does it make. Tell that to Chris Stevens family who probably saw the pictures of his dead beaten body being dragged through the streets. And I'm sure Hillary's emails that might not have put her in the best light were all deleted at this point. What difference does it make? Kidding right? I guess right and wrong don't matter anymore? I guess finding the truth does not matter? I guess the implication of a government cover up doesn't matter? If you don't believe what they said then why are you OK with this? Very puzzling to me.

 

[donnie_baseball]

Wow what difference does it make. Tell that to Chris Stevens family who probably saw the pictures of his dead beaten body being dragged through the streets. And I'm sure Hillary's emails that might not have put her in the best light were all deleted at this point. What difference does it make? Kidding right? I guess right and wrong don't matter anymore? I guess finding the truth does not matter? I guess the implication of a government cover up doesn't matter? If you don't believe what they said then why are you OK with this? Very puzzling to me.

Agree with this. SHU09, don't be a jerk. Just because "Benghazi" became a war-cry for the right, don't dismiss it. Lives were lost, emails were deleted, and the few that were uncovered showed a Secretary of State concerned about her image, above all.

 

[Merge]

Do you really believe the talking points that were shoved down our throat by someone not in charge of the State Dept at the time that a riot started in Benghazi in response to a video?

Witness accounts state that the militants were using the video to get people to join them and stating that their attack was in response to the video.

In my opinion, it looks like a planned attack which was may have been prompted and intensified by the video.

And why were the US security folks on the ground told to stand down?

That has been debunked countless times. There was no stand down order.

and told me they and the Seals were ready to go and never were sent for some reason and the siege lasted hours and hours.

Based on what I have read, we just didn't know what was going on and there were two waves of attacks. we did send a security team. 4 people did die during the attack but we also were able to extract 30 Americans. Easy to play monday morning quarterback but the House intelligence committee believed there was no wrong doing on our part.

It is a horrible travesty that has been horribly politicized, like the decision to release the house Benghazi report in 2016? There have been more hearings related to Benghazi than the entire Iraq war.

 

[shu09]

Wow what difference does it make. Tell that to Chris Stevens family who probably saw the pictures of his dead beaten body being dragged through the streets. And I'm sure Hillary's emails that might not have put her in the best light were all deleted at this point. What difference does it make? Kidding right? I guess right and wrong don't matter anymore? I guess finding the truth does not matter? I guess the implication of a government cover up doesn't matter? If you don't believe what they said then why are you OK with this? Very puzzling to me.

So tell me, what could Hillary Clinton possibly have done to keep this man (and three others) alive? Please do tell me. I would love to hear your ideas.

Chris Stevens worked in a dangerous part of the world. Tragedies and attacks happen on a regular basis. Unfortunately, he got caught in the middle of one.

 

[HALL85]

If I recall, didn't Stevens send countless emails and requests for beefed up security in the weeks leading up to this?

 

[shu09]

If I recall, didn't Stevens send countless emails and requests for beefed up security in the weeks leading up to this?

I believe he did, yes. As do most ambassadors in dangerous parts of the world. You can have all the security you want but if the bad guys are determined enough to get through, they'll get through. Also, not all requests are just blindly approved.

 

[HALL85]

Once again from recalling a news article, it appeared that Stevens requests were both frequent and with high alert at a time when there was a heightened threat in the region. The report also indicated that this was out of the ordinary from him. Where did you read this was a common occurrence?

 

[PiratePride]

I believe he did, yes. As do most ambassadors in dangerous parts of the world. You can have all the security you want but if the bad guys are determined enough to get through, they'll get through. Also, not all requests are just blindly approved.

If there is nothing to hide. Please tell me why Obama, Susan Rice, Hillary... and the rest of the administration stuck to the lie that the Benghazi incident was caused by that video..... for at least TWO weeks they lied, knowing full well that it was not the cause.