Brokered CONVENTION ?

[SnakeTom]

Since we last discussed the GOP race toward the nomination a lot has happened. Will the forces trying to block Trump succeed? Personally I think they will. The amount of negative Trump publicity has been mounting day after day. It's funny how after Trump bowed out in 2012, each of the GOP candidates would show up at Trump headquarters to get his blessing, but now they just want to stop the runaway Trump train. I don't think he can overcome the negative publicity, the GOP establishment & polls showing how poorly he would do in the general election. I think there will be a brokered convention and if so I do not think either Trump nor Cruz will be the nominee. The choice will be based on pragmatism on who has the best chance to win in November. And despite his failures in the GOP primaries that could well be Kaisich if they do not go back to Romney. Your thoughts ?

Tom K.

 

[shu09]

I tend to agree. I've said all along that I've been hoping for a Biden-Ryan general election matchup some how, some way. I think Ryan is positioned well to grab the nomination in a contested convention. If not him, I think it'll be Kasich which I would like as well.

As for the Democrats, at this point I have a hard time seeing Hillary blowing up with Biden swooping in to take it. I don't see any way it's not Hillary.

 

[Seton75]

I think Trump will get it or the repubs will lose in 1972/1984 fashion. So many of Trump's supporters are not vanilla repubs who will follow the party. I guess Wisc will be a huge result. How hilarious is it that Cruz is the guy the party is getting behind, the single most unlikable pol since Joe McCarty died.

Lets face it, Hillary doesn't have as many skeletons in her closet as John Gacy, but she is in the conversation. So I am not going on what the polls of a pres election featuring her are saying today. There will be blood in the blogosphere...

Good time to own a clothes pin store.

 

[SPK145]

I think Trump will get it or the repubs will lose in 1972/1984 fashion.

Reagan seems to have done pretty well in 1984, no, LOL?????

 

[Seton75]

Reagan seems to have done pretty well in 1984, no, LOL?????

As did Nixon did in 72, was referring to an election massacre, not the party. I think if they axe Trump, the repubs will take this one on the chin, like Goldwater.

 

[SPK145]

If Trump gets to 1237 delegates and they still try a brokered convention, they are done, will get killed in the general. If he doesn't get to 1237 delegates, anything can happen. Would seem really stupid though for the republicants to turn to Romney or Ryan. If they wanted to be president, THEY SHOULD HAVE RUN FOR PRESIDENT!!!!

 

[Seton75]

I tend to agree. I've said all along that I've been hoping for a Biden-Ryan general election matchup some how, some way. I think Ryan is positioned well to grab the nomination in a contested convention. If not him, I think it'll be Kasich which I would like as well.

As for the Democrats, at this point I have a hard time seeing Hillary blowing up with Biden swooping in to take it. I don't see any way it's not Hillary.

I agree with you about Hillary, but once she gets the nod, it'll be ugly, the vast right wing conspiracy vs the vast dem parsers of the truth...lol.

I liked Kasich in theory, but the man reeks of boring. Don't think he stands a chance. Is there a better indicator of his chances than Graham going with Cruz?

 

[HALL85]

If Trump gets to 1237 delegates and they still try a brokered convention, they are done, will get killed in the general. If he doesn't get to 1237 delegates, anything can happen. Would seem really stupid though for the republicants to turn to Romney or Ryan. If they wanted to be president, THEY SHOULD HAVE RUN FOR PRESIDENT!!!!

The Rep establishment is throwing everything at Trump but it's only galvanizing his support. He is looking strong to get to 1,237 and agree with SPK that Hillary wins big if they prevent him from getting the nod if he has delegates. I keep thinking Trump doesn't know what he's doing, but he's winning. Can he beat Hillary? Polls say "no" but polls have been more wrong than right.

Don't know what Bernie's weekend sweep out west means but the "he only wins white states" argument seems weak. (Hawaii only 26% white)...funny new hashtag appearing #berniemademewhite with multi-racial selfies

 

[Seton75]

The Rep establishment is throwing everything at Trump but it's only galvanizing his support. He is looking strong to get to 1,237 and agree with SPK that Hillary wins big if they prevent him from getting the nod if he has delegates. I keep thinking Trump doesn't know what he's doing, but he's winning. Can he beat Hillary? Polls say "no" but polls have been more wrong than right.

Don't know what Bernie's weekend sweep out west means but the "he only wins white states" argument seems weak. (Hawaii only 26% white)...funny new hashtag appearing #berniemademewhite with multi-racial selfies

Bernie wins the white states, and Hillary is killing in the states no Dem is gonna win.

 

[Section112]

With all the ridiculous Trump quotes dominating the news folks are missing out on some good election shananigans going on to help Hillary. She is evil.

Trump on the other hand is nutty as hell. I can't believe so many are getting behind him after all he has said. He must know he is getting baited by the press and he still answers them with some real doozies. Makes no sense at all?

It will be a brokered convention. They will try and pick someone else (Ryan or Kasich - not Romney). Many Repubs will not show up and vote (like what happened in Romney vs. Obama) and Hill the Thrill will win.

The FBI is seething over the fact that the Govt will not move against Hillary. I still don't think the email thing is done but it seems the AG will not prosecute which really tells us where our country is at. My super dooper longshot hope is Hillary is indicted, Trump falls and we get to choose between two other candidates. Maybe Obama is just waiting for Hill to get the nomination before he sicks the dogs on her? He does not like the Clintons... His parting gift to Biden maybe? I can dream right!

Saw a sign the other day that said "Election 2016 - They all Suck!" Right it is.

 

[Seton75]

The question "How many ridiculous statements must a man make before he stops getting nationwide support for President?" is hopefully close to getting an answer.

Cruz as the guy to bring the party together...even Trump doesn't say things that dumb...lol

 

[Section112]

Cruz looks like Grandpa on the Munsters. He is a hard listen for me and may be nuttier than Trump which is saying something.

 

[HALL85]

I can't listen to Cruz or Clinton for more than 60 seconds....grating and annoying. The kind of people that if they were your next door neighbor, you would avoid eye contact just to avoid a conversation...

 

[Bobbie Solo]

picture of Ted Cruz from everything ever:

 

[shu09]

Maybe Obama is just waiting for Hill to get the nomination before he sicks the dogs on her? He does not like the Clintons... His parting gift to Biden maybe? I can dream right!.

Well that's actually an interesting theory. Sign me up.

 

[HALL85]

Never thought Wisconsin would be a pivotal primary, but this is the conclusion of a very bad week for Trump, and this is also a big momentum shift for Bernie heading into New York.

Can you imagine if Bernie wins NY after being down by like 50 points just a few months ago?
And, what does Trump do now?

 

[shu09]

Tonight is the beginning of the end of Trump. Brokered convention seems likely and he will not win if that's the case.

 

[HALL85]

Tonight is the beginning of the end of Trump. Brokered convention seems likely and he will not win if that's the case.

It certainly looks highly likely. This will be a big week for him to turn things around....one thing is for sure...only Trump knows what he will do.

 

[SnakeTom]

I think the Trump bubble has burst. Only question to me is whether Cruz gets the nomination or someone else other than the three remaining primary candidates.

On the Dem side Hillary has the lead because of the unelected super delegates. but how can the nomination be given to someone who keeps losing the primaries/caucuses week after week. The only states Hillary wins are those that Dems will never win in November. Because of her weak showing with actual voters the Dems may be wise to come up with a plan B.

Tom K

 

[HALL85]

I think the Trump bubble has burst. Only question to me is whether Cruz gets the nomination or someone else other than the three remaining primary candidates.

On the Dem side Hillary has the lead because of the unelected super delegates. but how can the nomination be given to someone who keeps losing the primaries/caucuses week after week. The only states Hillary wins are those that Dems will never win in November. Because of her weak showing with actual voters the Dems may be wise to come up with a plan B.

Tom K

I know it's not likely, but it's sure in the realm of possibility: Between the Republican convention being brokered and a continued Hillary collapse in the polls and/or if there is a FBI recommendation for indictment, could we end up having two totally different candidates from the remaining five? And especially after all of the money, air play, debates, record voter turnout of this primary? How would the public respond to that, especially, letting the establishment leaders (who they don't trust) make those decisions.

 

[Section112]

In the most recent pictures of Trump he does not look like a happy guy lately either although who would be if they are being attacked constantly by everyone - not that he has not brought some of that on himself. He is not a quitter though and I bet he forges onward and will win NY.

The Dem side is getting very interesting too. If somehow the Bern can squeak out a win in NY it would be very telling for Hill the Thrill.

This continues to be on history making election cycle. I just hope people stay involved and actually vote.

 

[Seton75]

I agree with the gist of the recent comments above.

Dems - IMO the Bernie fad is as much anti Hil as pro Bern. I have a hard time taking Bernie seriously. Neither gets my vote. Unless...

Repubs - Trump holds the third party card, and so many of his supporters would sooner jump out the 45th floor of Trump Tower than vote for Cruz, the least likable pol ever. If Cruz gets the nod, I will vote for anyone who runs against him. And the repubs will definitely lose in a landslide. I don't see how he is any better than Trump re the senate and house votes.

Here is a headline from an article on the net:

Wisconsin exit poll results: 1 in 3 GOP voters would abandon party if Cruz or Trump is nominee

 

[SnakeTom]

If Cruz gets the nod, I will vote for anyone who runs against him.

And the repubs will definitely lose in a landslide.

I agree with point #1, but not #2. I think the general election will be close regardless of who the nominees are. We have become too polarized as a society and too many just vote party line regardless ...

Tom K

 

[HALL85]

Here is a headline from an article on the net:

Wisconsin exit poll results: 1 in 3 GOP voters would abandon party if Cruz or Trump is nominee

I'm not sure I would project the entire population on a Cheese Head exit poll.

When Cruz or Clinton are interviewed or give a speech, I can't take more than about 45 seconds. Both just grate on me. I can't take Trump seriously, but can you imagine if he wasn't in the race? We'd have Bush v. Clinton and NO ONE would be watching these debates and voter turnout would be at an all-time low for the primaries and general election.

Agree with you on Bernie being the Anti-Hillary.

 

[SPK145]

Too bad both parries can't have brokered conventions and get rid of these 4 terrible, flawed candidates.

 

[SnakeTom]

Regardless of whether one likes or dislikes Bernie's policies, I have never seen a Presidential candidate who seems to enjoy campaigning as much as he does.

Tom K

 

[Bobbie Solo]

Met Bernie briefly last week when he came up to my station for an interview. Was really thrilling! I'll get to see if he truly loves campaigning so much next week at his Washington Square Park rally on Wednesday. Super pumped! You should all come and support the only candidate left from the two big parties that is truly looking out for all of us (Kasich is kinda close), but I'm sure I'll just get some snark as a response instead.

 

[SPK145]

You should all come and support the only candidate left from the two big parties that is truly looking out for all of us

LOL!!!

If he was truly looking out for all of us, why would he be a socialist which has failed everywhere it's been tried?

 

[HALL85]

....I'm sure I'll just get some snark as a response instead.

So says the King of Snark....funny

 

[shu09]

How on earth is Bernie Sanders "looking out for all of us?"

 

[SPK145]

How on earth is Bernie Sanders "looking out for all of us?"

Snarky bastard

 

[Merge]

LOL!!!

If he was truly looking out for all of us, why would he be a socialist which has failed everywhere it's been tried?

A. He's not a socialist.
B. You say that like what we have in place here has not failed?

 

[Merge]

How on earth is Bernie Sanders "looking out for all of us?"

In the "rising tide lifts all boards" sort of way... and also as a politician who will do what he believes is right and not let money influence his decisions.

 

[SPK145]

A. He's not a socialist.
B. You say that like what we have in place here has not failed?

A. So he's been lying about himself all this time??
B. Of course it has, mostly because of far too much government. Whah, whah, fix all my problems for me!!!

 

[Merge]

A. So he's been lying about himself all this time??
B. Of course it has, mostly because of far too much government. Whah, whah, fix all my problems for me!!!

A democratic socialist is not a socialist. He hasn't lied about what he is and he has explained the difference countless times.

B is certainly debatable... and as we have discussed before, I think in most cases, the government lit a fire and capitalistic tendencies dropped a dump-truck full of gasoline on it...Just because people take advantage of a government program doesn't declare it a failure.

I don't like government intervention... but sometimes the only thing worse is not having government intervention.

 

[shu09]

B. You say that like what we have in place here has not failed?

American capitalism helped create the strongest nation the world has ever known so no, it has not failed. Does it have its flaws? Yes, as does everything.

 

[shu09]

and also as a politician who will do what he believes is right and not let money influence his decisions.

Sounds like Trump!

 

[Merge]

American capitalism helped create the strongest nation the world has ever known so no, it has not failed. Does it have its flaws? Yes, as does everything.

I agree 100%... Though I believe the design of capitalism requires government intervention where it fails. It isn't a constant, and will require more and less intervention at certain points in time. For example, when the job market is strong and we have perfect employment, companies will naturally take care of their employees. When unemployment is high employers will tend to be more exploitive and the government is the only force that could change laws to add protections.

 

[Merge]

Sounds like Trump!

Trump has changed pretty much every position he has to try and tie into the fear, anger and frustrations of people.

He isn't saying what he believes will help... He is saying what he believes will help him build support.

 

[HALL85]

I agree 100%... Though I believe the design of capitalism requires government intervention where it fails. It isn't a constant, and will require more and less intervention at certain points in time. For example, when the job market is strong and we have perfect employment, companies will naturally take care of their employees. When unemployment is high employers will tend to be more exploitive and the government is the only force that could change laws to add protections.

That's really not true. If a companies culture is to exploit employees they will do in good times and bad. The reality is that companies have to respond to various forces to remain competitive. If you lose a big contract you may have to do a RIF; the ACA has driven our HC costs up 12%. Adjusting employee contributions follow. There is not an endless stream of profits most companies can dig into.