Brokered CONVENTION ?
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If that is the case, we wouldn't need a minimum wage, OSHA, family leave etc... Employers would be taking care of their employees needs.
Again, there is a balance - Too little or too much government is a problem... but none at all would be worse when the economy is struggling.
Indeed. One of the many reasons I don't like her.
Would still vote for her over Trump or Cruz... but I will be voting for Bernie in the primary.
Based on her admitted actions in my opinion she already is. But if the FBI recommends charges, I think that's pretty clear that she is dirty and disqualifies her. Anything happens beyond that is political BS.
Agreed. If the FBI believes there is enough to recommend charges, that should disqualify her... Just haven't seen anything that says its going to happen other than Tom Delay. Hope it happens sooner rather than later if it is going to happen though.
You'll get what you deserve, then. I think Hillary is the worst of the bunch, and has the track record to prove it, but I won't pull the lever for Trump, just to vote against her.
I'll have to find out SPK's real name, offline, and write him in. His comments are spot on -- snarky or not!
It's on the Trove ;-)
I would be shocked if Hillary is indicted, based on one, or both of, these reasons:
-she has way too much power, and she's on the cusp of being POTUS
-there just isn't enough to get her, and the case is being overstated by her political opponents
D or R?
Actually... I think there is only one R that I would consider relatively local. I'm gonna guess him.
What is the timing on this?
The entire political process I think would be much better if each candidate was given X number of dollars per month, per week, or on some sort of basis that is not dependent on fundraising. Times have changed and nobody is donating a significant amount of money to any of these guys without having some sort of say in certain areas.
I'm curious to wonder how much our forefathers would like the system today. I wonder if they were concerned about elites and the establishment having too much power when they wrote the Declaration of Independence saying "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
I'm no fan of Bernie Sanders and his 90% tax, free this, free that but what is being done on the democratic side is unfair. The superdelegates do nothing but keep the establishment in control and make the vote of the people irrelevant. On the republican side Trump has charisma that no politician has had in a long time. The people who love him spend hours consumed in every word he says. The people who hate him spend hours consumed in every word he says.
First, Hillary will not be indicted. And really for what? emails? You can bash her for her judgment about setting up a private account but in no way is this criminal.
Second, the whole primary system is a joke. Why does Iowa and New Hampshire carry so much weight? The states that which really carry the election besides Ohio have not even voted yet. Once NY, NJ, PA, Florida, Texas and California among a couple of others, then you can say who really can win.
New York is a critical primary. If Bernie or Cruz can somehow win, this turns the tide completely. But I doubt that will happen. I still think it will be Hillary and Trump for the general election.
Second, the whole primary system is a joke. Why does Iowa and New Hampshire carry so much weight? The states that which really carry the election besides Ohio have not even voted yet. Once NY, NJ, PA, Florida, Texas and California among a couple of others, then you can say who really can win.
New York is a critical primary. If Bernie or Cruz can somehow win, this turns the tide completely. But I doubt that will happen. I still think it will be Hillary and Trump for the general election.
The primary system is a joke because the votes of the people really don't matter as much as we are all led to believe. On the democratic side we are seeing Hillary take super delegates and on the republican side Cruz is able to take delegates he didn't win. Some people say Trump is whining over this, others say he has a legitimate complaint, but what it is doing is informing the average person out there of how the system works. The average Joe on the street 2 years ago probably knew on tenth of what he knows now.
New York is important this year, because 3 of the 5 candidates have New York roots. If you can't win a state you claim to be from, just drop out.
At a minimum she broke the rules... Worst case, she was knowingly transmitting classified data on a private unsecured system. Sorry, if she was grossly negligent, and knew she was transferring classified data, that should absolutely disqualify her.
They don't carry a lot of weight, they are just first so people talk about them a lot. Neither has a significant number of delegates. Santorum won Iowa in 2012 and Huckabee in 2008 so the results there meant nothing.
Not exactly sure why it is timed the way it is, but it will probably help weed out the weak candidates so they can't get a large portion of the delegates early and then their campaign blows up.
Super delegates are just endorsements and are not pledged.
If Bernie takes the lead in pledged delegates (unlikely) unpledged delegates will switch.
Hillary's super-delegates in 2008 switched to Obama.
Do you truly believe the democratic delegates will switch to a democratic socialist? I'm not one who follows this stuff closely so my opinion is rather pointless, but my opinion is the only chance Sanders has is Hillary getting indicted, which I don't think will happen.
Agree with Merge on both issues. And it might seem trivial, but the fact that she blatantly lied about having one phone and one email account makes me discount anything else she is saying to minimize what happened.
No one cares what happened in Iowa or New Hampshire anymore. I can criticize Trump on many things, but at least his running has brought many more voters under the tent and forced us to learn a lot more about the primary process. Is the public feeling more empowered or knowledgeable?
Trump will take NY, it's just a matter of will he double up Cruz and Kasich. It's a critical state for Bernie though. If he somehow makes up the ten points and wins, it's a game changer. How does Hillary recover from losing her "home" state after leading by 50 points a few months ago?
If there was more time I think an independent could take this election. I really think you can get votes from both sides ripping apart how corrupt both parties are. I think people feel less empowered the more they know. I have to think the public is much more knowledgeable today than it was just months ago.
Yes.,they would because not doing so would disenfranchise ALL of Bernie's supporters.. Bernie by the way just surpassed the number of individual donations that Obama received in his Historic 2008 campaign.
You can forget any of them voting for Hillary if the super delegates dictate the result.
That would surprise me. Bernie has a large and diverse following, but in the end, they're Democrats, and they're not going to pull the lever for an "R." Maybe vote "None of the Above?"
Some would still vote for her especially if trump is the nominee... But A LOT would stay home. Bernie is very popular among young people who dont vote much already. Tell them their support didn't matter and the system was rigged against them? No way they show up.
I think Bernie supporters would be more apt to vote against Cruz. Trump actually has some of the same stuff that makes Bernie popular. They come at if from completely different places, but both are seen as political outsiders being jobbed by the party bosses.
I would tend to agree with that....asked my three daughters to rank who they would vote for and all were identical:
1-Bernie
2-Kasich
3-Trump
4-Clinton
5-Cruz
They all said if one or the other Clinton/Cruz wins the nomination, they will vote for whoever the other candidate is from the top three.
I find it interesting that Bernie's TV ad's are focused on change and one was just set to a Simon and Garfunkel song, while Hillary is just doing the same old attack (at Trump) and pandering (Travon Martin???) ads. He had over 20,000 last night at a rally...fingers crossed he takes NY.
I don't think she gets indicted either, but if the FBI recommends charges and the DOJ doesn't take action, that's just as bad, maybe worse since it becomes THE issue for Hillary and Obama.
FWIW the prototype of this GOP election is 1964, when Barry Goldwater got the nod, but only after the "machine" did a truly last minute push for Pennsylvania Governor Bill Scranton who had not run in a single primary. That failed, and when the "populace" listened to LBJ's scary "nuclear-war-risk" TV commercials painting Barry as a war-monger, Goldwater failed, too. Out of those ashes, LBJ's coming ashes, Nixon's Watergate ashes, and the ashes of Carter's horrendous policies, arose the Neo-Cons and Ronald Reagan.
Reagan had been viewed by the general electorate as weak and lucky to get the GOP nod, but it has always been my thesis that Americans rarely vote for a candidate, but generally vote against his/her opponent: they voted against Nam to elect Nixon; against Watergate to give us Carter; against Carter to give us Reagan; against H.W. Bush's white-collar recession ('the economy, stupid') to give us a candidate made by Imus-in-the-Morning (Clinton); against Lewinsky to give us W; and, against Iraq to give us Obama.
This year we only have candidates to vote against. Alas, as I said in August, IMHO Trump cannot get the nomination without mass paranoia, Cruz seems to have a personality and mannerism which almost everyone detests. It seems that ALL Dems who are younger-than-45 are ABC: anybody but Clinton. And Bernie is a socialist --- not a Communist like our sitting President (IMHO), but as Socialist as any UK Labor PM --- IMHO.
IMHO Trump can only win at the polls. I would not be surprised if the "machine" were keeping Kasich alive solely to be the "compromise" candidate at the convention. Based on my perception of antipathy between Obama and Clinton --- and on this thread --- I now would not be surprised (1) if Obama were helping Bernie to raise funds and (2) if his AG were waiting until HC got closer to a true majority before he drops his 'bomb' on her campaign, hoping for a brokered convention on the Dem side, too.
After 1977-80 I never thought I would ever say this, but IMHO no one could be a worse President than the one we now have. That said, at least Obama has a smooth personality and a charismatic presence. Hillary is his opposite on those.
I have been very pessimistic about this country since 2008 and expect to remain so.
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Reagan had been viewed by the general electorate as weak and lucky to get the GOP nod, but it has always been my thesis that Americans rarely vote for a candidate, but generally vote against his/her opponent: they voted against Nam to elect Nixon; against Watergate to give us Carter; against Carter to give us Reagan; against H.W. Bush's white-collar recession ('the economy, stupid') to give us a candidate made by Imus-in-the-Morning (Clinton); against Lewinsky to give us W; and, against Iraq to give us Obama.
This year we only have candidates to vote against. Alas, as I said in August, IMHO Trump cannot get the nomination without mass paranoia, Cruz seems to have a personality and mannerism which almost everyone detests. It seems that ALL Dems who are younger-than-45 are ABC: anybody but Clinton. And Bernie is a socialist --- not a Communist like our sitting President (IMHO), but as Socialist as any UK Labor PM --- IMHO.
IMHO Trump can only win at the polls. I would not be surprised if the "machine" were keeping Kasich alive solely to be the "compromise" candidate at the convention. Based on my perception of antipathy between Obama and Clinton --- and on this thread --- I now would not be surprised (1) if Obama were helping Bernie to raise funds and (2) if his AG were waiting until HC got closer to a true majority before he drops his 'bomb' on her campaign, hoping for a brokered convention on the Dem side, too.
After 1977-80 I never thought I would ever say this, but IMHO no one could be a worse President than the one we now have. That said, at least Obama has a smooth personality and a charismatic presence. Hillary is his opposite on those.
I have been very pessimistic about this country since 2008 and expect to remain so.
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