Call me crazy but

[HallGuy23]

I expect Neptune to be encouraged to quit after the year, reigning in a glorious return of the suit man Jay Wright..

Willard will be fired by Maryland. He’ll join Pitino’s staff next year and then be the Johnnies head coach in waiting for after Pitino leaves..

 

[hinson32]

I don't think Maryland will cut bait after two years.

 

[jmt6762]

Are we in a position to talk? Our coach isn't exactly lighting it up

 

[STLPirate12]

He just erased their own tying basket with a timeout just before the shot. 6 seconds left down 2

 

[STLPirate12]

And Nova finishes dead last in the new 6 team Big 5

 

[HallGuy23]

Are we in a position to talk? Our coach isn't exactly lighting it up

Not the point. But just to counterpoint anyway. we don’t have the fan base or expectations as a program that Villanova and Maryland do…

 

[shu09]

Jay isn't coming back, but I would not be shocked if Neptune is let go or encouraged to leave. Was a strange hire in the first place.

As for our friend in Maryland, he'll get another year or two. But he won't last the length of his contract.

 

[ivyhillparkk1963]

I'll go back to previous points on williard
How the maryland brass were so enamored with a coach who had one lousy ncaa win in 12 years.
To me that's a major red flag since the hall had some quality teams..

 

[dehere23]

The only way I ever see Wright returning if he is one of those basketball/coaching junkies that cannot live or breathe without doing it. He's accomplished everything, has made tons of $ (and likely still makes good coin in his current gig), and is a legend. Sometimes these guys step away for a few years for whatever reason and realize they cannot live without coaching because it is what they are and what they love. Parcells was like that, I think. Larry Brown was like that. Pitino is like that. But those are the minority.

 

[Gohall129]

I always thought we’d see Jay coach again…

KW did win an NCAA tournament game in y1. That alone buys him till the end of his 3rd season. If he doesn’t make the NCAA tournament this year his seat will be very hot next November

 

[dehere23]

I'll go back to previous points on williard
How the maryland brass were so enamored with a coach who had one lousy ncaa win in 12 years.
To me that's a major red flag.

I was as critical of Willard, objectively, as anyone on here, before it became popular to do so (i.e., he left). Especially about the "PJ comparisons", because to me it was apples and bowling balls, having actually been a fan during the PJ tenure.

I don't know how enamored the MD brass was with Willard, or if it was simply a right place, right time hire. On KW's resume, I don't think it was a bad hire by MD on paper, despite the lack of NCAA success, for various reasons. We will see how long it lasts and if it goes south KW will have a chance at another job because of what he did here.

It's easy and popular to be critical of KW now since he left us at the alter for what he clearly viewed was a better opportunity. I get why the fan base doesn't like that. I always knew he was going to leave at some point once he had sustained success, so that plus us getting Sha softened the blow. But my viewpoint as a fan is to always objectively be as critical (or supportive) of Sha as I was with KW when he was our coach.

 

[garyshu71]

Kevin knew what he had recruited. No wonder he left.

 

[dehere23]

Kevin knew what he had recruited. No wonder he left.

Except I think his last class on paper was higher rated than any besides the IW/Delgado group. And celebrated here.

 

[PROF Ed]

IMHO Kevin was hired because the Hall beat Maryland in a home and home with the home win being without Myles and Sandro. Maryland fans I know we’re VERY. Impressed with those wins.

 

[SHUSource]

I always thought we’d see Jay coach again…

KW did win an NCAA tournament game in y1. That alone buys him till the end of his 3rd season. If he doesn’t make the NCAA tournament this year his seat will be very hot next November

Not sure about that. A single NCAA win doesn’t get the blood flowing south of the beltline for those fans. The Sweet Sixteen is the minimal expectation. They’re not as easy to mollify as our base.

 

[radecicco]

IMO the book is still out on Willard a bit. Agree a good coach not a great one. The big question remains 2020. But at Maryland with all the resources at his disposal there are no more excuses.

 

[Gohall129]

Not sure about that. A single NCAA win doesn’t get the blood flowing south of the beltline for those fans. The Sweet Sixteen is the minimal expectation. They’re not as easy to mollify as our base

I agree with you.. trust me I’m one of Willard’s biggest critics. But the 1 NCAA win does save him from being fired at the end of year 2

 

[SHUisNJsTeam]

IMO the book is still out on Willard a bit. Agree a good coach not a great one. The big question remains 2020. But at Maryland with all the resources at his disposal there are no more excuses.

What resources? They don’t have a practice facility either.

 

[LeftCoastPirates]

I agree with you.. trust me I’m one of Willard’s biggest critics. But the 1 NCAA win does save him from being fired at the end of year 2

I think that is the consensus if he has a respectable season but doesn’t make the dance.

But I’ll give you a hypothetical.

What if they were to finish the season 13-17.
They finish the non-conference 6-4 with wins only against cupcakes and losses to UAB and Davidson, plus get run out of the gym at Nova and at UCLA. (Only one part of that remains)

Then they go 7-13 in conference play and continue to have games where they get down by 20+ and are non competitive while struggling to score 60 on a given night.

To finish off the scenario they miss out on Derrick Queen and the overall recruiting class (currently no one committed) is very underwhelming in terms of top ranked players.

I still think it’s a stretch that he doesn’t make it to year 3. However, he would have erased all his goodwill from the first season, essentially overnight.

Their fans are already calling him Turgeon 2.0, the bald version of Turgeon, questioning his lack of offensive schemes, and even going back to how he mispronounced Juan Dixon’s name during his opening press conference.

As many have said, our patience and appreciation for moderate success is not even close to the standards of the fan base at Maryland.

 

[HallGuy23]

I think that is the consensus if he has a respectable season but doesn’t make the dance.

But I’ll give you a hypothetical.

What if they were to finish the season 13-17.
They finish the non-conference 6-4 with wins only against cupcakes and losses to UAB and Davidson, plus get run out of the gym at Nova and at UCLA. (Only one part of that remains)

Then they go 7-13 in conference play and continue to have games where they get down by 20+ and are non competitive while struggling to score 60 on a given night.

To finish off the scenario they miss out on Derrick Queen and the overall recruiting class (currently no one committed) is very underwhelming in terms of top ranked players.

I still think it’s a stretch that he doesn’t make it to year 3. However, he would have erased all his goodwill from the first season, essentially overnight.

Their fans are already calling him Turgeon 2.0, the bald version of Turgeon, questioning his lack of offensive schemes, and even going back to how he mispronounced Juan Dixon’s name during his opening press conference.

As many have said, our patience and appreciation for moderate success is not even close to the standards of the fan base at Maryland.

How do you mispronounce Juan Dixon? Am I missing something

 

[radecicco]

What resources? They don’t have a practice facility either.

What resources? They don’t have a practice facility either.

This is true but they are in the planning stages to construct one. Doubt UM has a problem raising funds for that or NIL $$$ for recruiting.

 

[walshtrips]

Willard was a great coach for Seton Hall, he brought the team back to prominence and got us into the Dance 5 seasons. His last 4 months put a bad taste in my mouth, but that doesn't discount the good.

His jump to a well financed P-6 school was well timed, the man has set himself up for a great retirement.

NIL makes things difficult for coaches at every level. When money replaces pure passion for a sport, outcomes are never guaranteed.

Willard's great timing was great timing for Seton Hall, as well. Sha is a good coach and has the passion to stick with us as we get our ducks in order.

GO PIRATES!!!

 

[LeftCoastPirates]

How do you mispronounce Juan Dixon? Am I missing something

Just listen for yourself.

20:30 mark.

Previously in the press conference he cited watching a Thursday night game where Joe Smith and Steve Francis were throwing alley oops to each other.

Joe played from 1994-1995 and Steve Francis played one season in 1998-99. I would love to get my hands on the game tape he was watching.

 

[SHUisNJsTeam]

This is true but they are in the planning stages to construct one. Doubt UM has a problem raising funds for that or NIL $$$ for recruiting.

Maryland will probably come right out and ask for money…something we don’t do and something we absolutely suck at. After years of waiting, we finally made it official that we were building a practice facility and briefly mentioned the need for donations but haven’t said a peep or asked for a cent since. However, I’m sure if there’s something the facility is missing that someone at the university deems important and responsible for our lack of success, the alumni will once again be blamed and called cheap. It’s the Seton Hall way unfortunately.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Willard was a great coach for Seton Hall, he brought the team back to prominence and got us into the Dance 5 seasons. His last 4 months put a bad taste in my mouth, but that doesn't discount the good.

His jump to a well financed P-6 school was well timed, the man has set himself up for a great retirement.

NIL makes things difficult for coaches at every level. When money replaces pure passion for a sport, outcomes are never guaranteed.

Willard's great timing was great timing for Seton Hall, as well. Sha is a good coach and has the passion to stick with us as we get our ducks in order.

GO PIRATES!!!

Is money in college sports new? Absolutely not. The numbers are bigger now, but money replaced pure passion a long, long time ago.

 

[walshtrips]

Is money in college sports new? Absolutely not. The numbers are bigger now, but money replaced pure passion a long, long time ago.

Money was always there for the top players, but it wasn't life changing money. Kids would get $10K, $25K, and maybe $50K in a bag, which helped their family. NIL is life changing money.

Also, the lower level players never got money and had no power to demand money.

It is a different world due the the dollar amounts and the new transfer rules.

Do you think Mamu, Rhoden and Powell played with pure passion, or was under the table money their main motivator?

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Do you think Mamu, Rhoden and Powell played with pure passion, or was under the table money their main motivator?

Powell didn't come from lavish background with money everywhere. But he sure did end up with quite an expensive body with the art work done to it by the time he left. I think the biggest thing was the transfer rule. Can you definitively say they would have been here all 4 years if they didn't have to sit out? Go pro sooner and make money was in there.

 

[King of S]

I always thought we’d see Jay coach again…

KW did win an NCAA tournament game in y1. That alone buys him till the end of his 3rd season. If he doesn’t make the NCAA tournament this year his seat will be very hot next November

If Jay Wright comes back it’s to the NY Knicks.

 

[Gohall129]

I think that is the consensus if he has a respectable season but doesn’t make the dance.

But I’ll give you a hypothetical.

What if they were to finish the season 13-17.
They finish the non-conference 6-4 with wins only against cupcakes and losses to UAB and Davidson, plus get run out of the gym at Nova and at UCLA. (Only one part of that remains)

Then they go 7-13 in conference play and continue to have games where they get down by 20+ and are non competitive while struggling to score 60 on a given night.

To finish off the scenario they miss out on Derrick Queen and the overall recruiting class (currently no one committed) is very underwhelming in terms of top ranked players.

I still think it’s a stretch that he doesn’t make it to year 3. However, he would have erased all his goodwill from the first season, essentially overnight.

Their fans are already calling him Turgeon 2.0, the bald version of Turgeon, questioning his lack of offensive schemes, and even going back to how he mispronounced Juan Dixon’s name during his opening press conference.

As many have said, our patience and appreciation for moderate success is not even close to the standards of the fan base at Maryland.

It’s a great scenario.. the Maryland fans have been calling him Turgeon 2.0 since the day he was hired… I read some of the fans responses on twitter for Maryland. Seems like they are incredibly unhappy with KW and don’t want another year of this

I think him getting a fair shot with 2 full recruiting cycles and full NIL support gives him a shot at year 2 and he’s out of a job March 25

 

[Gohall129]

If Jay Wright comes back it’s to the NY Knicks.

That would be honestly be awesome to see. Bridges leaving the nets for the knicks if that happens

 

[dehere23]

I don’t see Wright going to the league unless it is simply a professional “itch” he’s never scratched. He’s had chances to do so before.

 

[Gohall129]

I don’t see Wright going to the league unless it is simply a professional “itch” he’s never scratched. He’s had chances to do so before.

The itch might be the opportunity to have his Nova championship team on the knicks.

 

[donnie_baseball]

It’s a great scenario.. the Maryland fans have been calling him Turgeon 2.0 since the day he was hired… I read some of the fans responses on twitter for Maryland. Seems like they are incredibly unhappy with KW and don’t want another year of this

I think him getting a fair shot with 2 full recruiting cycles and full NIL support gives him a shot at year 2 and he’s out of a job March 25

Won't happen. The internet blowhards seldom have any ties to, or influence on, the program.

 

[SHUSource]

If Jay Wright comes back it’s to the NY Knicks.

There is a better chance of Jay coaching Seton Hall than the Knicks.

 

[SHUSource]

It’s a great scenario.. the Maryland fans have been calling him Turgeon 2.0 since the day he was hired… I read some of the fans responses on twitter for Maryland. Seems like they are incredibly unhappy with KW and don’t want another year of this

I think him getting a fair shot with 2 full recruiting cycles and full NIL support gives him a shot at year 2 and he’s out of a job March 25

Pretty unfair to Turgeon to make that comparison.

 

[Section112]

Big donors at Nova are not happy with Neptune and this is his prove it year.

 

[hallwins]

IMHO Kevin was hired because the Hall beat Maryland in a home and home with the home win being without Myles and Sandro. Maryland fans I know we’re VERY. Impressed with those wins.

And 2 words
Under Armour

 

[HALL85]

Big donors at Nova are not happy with Neptune and this is his prove it year.

If Neptune does not make the NCAA, he is done this year. On a very short leash that just got shorter.

Some of the big 5 schools played a 2/3 zone and Nova racking up lot's of turnovers. Also, it was noted that one of the schools they lost to (I think it was Penn) did not have one top 400 player....

 

[Piratz]

It’s a funny dynamic: While Willard’s 1 NCAAT win 5 tournaments at Seton Hall may get the blood boiling from some diehard SHU fans, it’s not looked at the same way by the outside world when it comes to hiring Willard. The fact he generated 6 NCAAT teams in 7 seasons (yes we can’t just remove the 2019-20 year, his best one) at Seton Hall speaks more than the 6-game record because of how low-budget Seton Hall has always been.

But then what Willard is going to learn quickly when you step up to a program with big resources and expectations, that 1-5 record is a huge deal because just getting to the Tournament isn’t the goal like it is at SHU. And yeah I know the goal at SHU should be national titles too that’s great, but in reality we are not playing the same deck of cards so it’ll take some heavy lifting or big runs like we had with PJ which has happened once in 40+ years.

 

[radecicco]

If Neptune does not make the NCAA, he is done this year. On a very short leash that just got shorter.

Some of the big 5 schools played a 2/3 zone and Nova racking up lot's of turnovers. Also, it was noted that one of the schools they lost to (I think it was Penn) did not have one top 400 player....

Drexel @ Princeton tonight. Final score should be interesting.